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Texas Longhorns Football: What Will Go Right

Consider this the optimist's companion piece to my friend Peter Bean's What Could Go Wrong post in which he lays out the plausible worst case scenarios for the 2012 Texas Longhorns. His list makes a lot of sense, but I can imagine scenarios for a successful season even with one or two of his concerns eventuating. Like Eric Idle, I'd rather look on the bright side of life. With the right improvements and a smidgen of luck and good health, the 2012 Longhorns are fully capable of not only winning 10 games and contending for the Big 12 title, but perhaps putting together an unanticipated special season - which is the most enjoyable fan experience you can have. See the beloved 2008 squad.

Ride with me (side-saddle!) on a herd of unicorns shitting jellybeans through a meadow of licorice and penny candy as we explore what goes right in 2012.

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1. Offensive health. You might be tempted to say team health and that's fair, but I have a more focused proposition for you - 90% of our offensive improvement and 75% of our total team improvement rests on the health of five players. If - in order - QB David Ash, LT Donald Hawkins, RT Josh Cochran, #1 WR Jaxon Shipley and Trey Hopkins (de facto #3 OT, best interior OL) remain healthy, our offense will be substantially improved. Normal wear and tear in the interior OL, TE, and at RB can be absorbed without crippling our ambitions and a repeat of three significant injuries to the RB position is improbable. Our defense has the lion's share of our best players, and it also has the best depth. That means most of our seasonal beta probably rests on the health of five guys. They stay healthy, we win a lot.

2. Ash gets better. A true freshman QB who spent most of the Fall camp getting third team reps asked to carry the team surrounded by subpar receiving options, injured RBs, and bad OL play against good opponents, struggled badly. I am shocked. Yet, history tells us that QBs who gain experience, with actual starter's preparation and good coaching, comfort with scheme, and improved personnel around them tend to get significantly better. That hypothesis was put to the test at the end of the season when Ash showed what he's capable of against Cal. 2375 yards passing, 7.7 YPA, 19 TDs, 11 ints isn't crazy talk. It's likely. And it'll do.

3. The defense dominates. We return eight starters. Several of them will be in the NFL one day. We're markedly improved in the secondary with experience and athletes at every position, our front four will be very good and surprisingly deep, and LB is loaded with raw talent. Our DC is top notch and installation, assignments, and teaching basic concepts now gives way to more specific game planning and kick-ass exotica. Offenses will score less, gain fewer yards, and we'll create more cheap touchdowns with Pick 6s and forced fumbles. LSU and Alabama wonder if this is a winning formula.

4. Schedule. We'll play several good teams, but the order in which we play them, our non-conference ramp up, even our mix of home vs. road games is pretty much ideal for building confidence and dividing the season into tidy sections. Three winnable non-cons (Wyoming, New Mexico, @ Ole Miss) to get the offense rolling and the defense feeling their oats against spread teams gives way to a two week break for reassessment and game planning for the next stretch against: an inexperienced OSU offense in Stillwater, a welcome to the Big 12 statement game at home against West Virginia, and in Week 7 of the college football season (our 6th game) - OU in Dallas. Immediately after, we taper down with four very winnable games against Baylor, @ Tech, @ Kansas, Iowa St,; get another two week break to lick wounds and game plan for a two game finale of TCU and Kansas State. A final stretch in which I fully expect to be in contention for the Big 12 title. BTW, OU's last three games: @ WVU, OSU, @ TCU. If you can draw up a Big 12 schedule better suited to our needs, I'd love to see it.

5. Expected improvements in Year 2. Mack Brown, complacency-o-holic, made the choice to get better. It hurt to see the butcher's bill continue to roll in based on past behaviors and it will continue for some time, but every day of complacency sobriety has us looking and feeling better. Real S&C should show up on the field; another year of experience makes exploitable freshman into dangerous sophomores; Year 2 in better schemes means players think less and do more; sulks and under-performers are on notice or already gone; fans will embrace the momentum of a fast start and promising early returns - creating its own reciprocal momentum for the team; more veteran OL will start to finally blossom; solid offense will stop hamstringing good defense as it did in 2010/2011. The kicking game is a worry, but good kickers coming from nowhere at Texas has heavy precedent (what's up Micheal Pollak?) and the talent level in our coverage personnel is markedly better. Besides, going for it on 4th down in a number of traditional field goal or punting situations is the right call. So let fear do the work of reason.

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Is anything on this list nuts? It doesn't take much (or any) imagination to conjure very realistic scenarios in which this team kicks some ass in 2012.

Cheer up, Peter. We're gonna make it after all.

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Good list - nothing seems unattainable

I live in fear of one of Peter’s points though, and that is a slow start by Ash. We need to get Mike Davis in his happy place early on, and keep Case in his happy place (on the bench or playing lasertag).

by Big(g) Ern on May 15, 2025 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Anything bad with Ash is a point I readily concede

It kills us. However, Mack needs to hold his water if Ash plays poorly in the opener or, say, on the road against a good secondary in Stillwater. In my mind, going to Case is a season hopes forfeit.

by Scipio Tex on May 15, 2025 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel like the offense needs to get some good mojo real quick and run up some seriously crooked numbers in the first 3 games.

We have a hell of a lot more talent than 2010 on offense, but I always had the feeling that those guys were shell-shocked after the Rice game in Houston.

by Big(g) Ern on May 15, 2025 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, we should score into the 40s and beyond the first two games or it'll be cause for

concern. I’d like to see 50s and 60s. Or 70s, but we don’t play Nebraska. I want to hear Mack apologizing in a post-game interview about how the scoring got “out of hand.”

by WreckerTex on May 15, 2025 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Punting on 1st down is probably a better option than letting Case throw ducks up for grabs. I imagine Case complaining after a failed series to Harsin that the receiver he just missed “ran too far”.

by Yossarian Rising on May 15, 2025 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really? You think the differences between McCoy and Ash are that stark?

The team’s W/L fortunes didn’t seem to correlate with the perception that Ash was better than McCoy. I’ll readily concede that Ash has a higher physical ceiling, and therefore possesses the potential to do things of which McCoy will never be capable, but McCoy’s limitations are not so great that a talented OC couldn’t do extremely well with him at the helm. If Case Keenum and Kellen Moore were able to lead two of the most successful offenses in the nation over the span of their careers, even if at mid-majors, certainly Texas should be able to squeeze excellent production out of an offense led by a marginal talent at QB, whether he be Ash or McCoy. BCS-AQ conference teams like Kentucky (Hartline), aggie (Tannehill), K-State (Coffman/Klein), Northwestern (Persa), Maryland (O’Brien), Michigan State (Cousins), and Tech (Doege) all had good to great production despite seriously limitations at QB, not to mention other positions. One might make a defense forTannehill’s talent based on the NFL draft, I suppose, but he’d be easily replaced in the list of examples by someone like Masoli.

One of many points on which people criticized GD’s offense was for its reliance on having a transcendent quarterback. Is it possible that Harsin’s is as well, given its struggles even compared to teams with lesser QB talent? I’m not saying that; in fact, I think it’s probable that there was a lot of holdover dysfunction from the 2010 debacle, resulting in continued problems with the OL and WRs. Ceteris paribus, it’s obviously better to have more talent than less, but factors other than talent are certainly in play as well. There would have to be significant improvement on one guy’s part for there to be a truly earned and significant separation between the composites of these two QBs. But really, if the OL improves more, and Wyatt connects his boys’ heads to their hands and routes correctly, I don’t think there’s likely to be different W/L outcomes based on whether it’s Ash or McCoy at QB.

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by burntorangehorn on May 15, 2025 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

In my opinion there are enormous differences between Ash & McCoy

McCoy will never have the physical ability to make a defense defend the entire field. Ash already posses that ability. Case had the benefit of a redshirt year. Barring injury or failure Ash never will. This alone should have provided Case a significant advantage in things like reading defenses and ball security. Ash was starting as a true freshman and getting his first reps against real competition with a below average oline & receiving corp, injured running backs in an offense new to everyone. He had no time to adjust to the difference in speed of the game. He was like a virgin at an orgy.
It cannot be overstated how unfair it is to pass judgement on David Ash’s career based upon last year. He has all the physical tools to be much more than a average QB and he survived last year without losing his confidence.

by ole tnhorn on May 15, 2025 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's worth mentioning that each played with the same poor OL and WR sets

So it might actually be unfair to judge either based on that.

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by burntorangehorn on May 15, 2025 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also, Case did not redshirt

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by burntorangehorn on May 15, 2025 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

My ADD kicked in

My point about the oline, etc was that a guy a couple of months out of high school was forced into a position without any support. Of course Case experienced the same limited support. Case has been on campus a year longer than Ash thereby absorbing the college experience. I stand corrected, he didn’t redshirt but was on the roster with very little playing time.

by ole tnhorn on May 16, 2025 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Seemed stark to me, too.

I’d love for Case to be the scrappy leader who just wins that he sees himself to be. I truly would. I’m delighted that no matter what else happens during his career, he has the great victory against A&M at Kyle Field.

Without rancor, my own unrefined assessment is that Case has severe limitations as a D-1 QB. As far as I could tell, his leading qualifications are belief in himself, occasional runs of excellent luck, and sporadically good performance at improvisation (sometimes unnecessary improvisation).

We’ll be hurting if he is our number one QB. I deeply wish that wasn’t true.

by RomaVicta on May 15, 2025 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes

Ash has an enormous edge over Case in
- Passing mechanics (the necessary foundation to IMPROVE as a passer)
- Arm strength
- Pocket presence
- Build
- Athleticism

unless you view those as unnecessary commodities for a qb.

But I guarantee that if you showed 100 coaches at any level comparative film of Case and Ash, 99-100 would prefer to have Ash.

by pvogel on May 15, 2025 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

do you realize

Do you realize you called top 10 draft pick and a 4th rnd pick QBs with limitations?

by codaxx on May 15, 2025 8:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Its so Stark

you can call it Iron Man

by CMDR on May 15, 2025 8:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   3 recs

Texas Backup QB: My Friend, My Foe... The Fearsome FREAK!

"Did I?" said Smiley. "Yes. Yes, well I suppose I did."

by Burrito Electrico on May 16, 2025 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So - who is QB #3 then? Just in case?

"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal

by Snide Aside on May 15, 2025 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shipley

by CMDR on May 15, 2025 9:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

Ash isnt going to play poorly

My guess is he will be pulling it down and running when needed, moving the chains anyway he can.I base this on nothing more than the busted goal line play in the spring game, it was very quick thinking on his part. He may have 500 yards rushing this season, along with the passing stats you predict.

by 55f100tx on May 15, 2025 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just twirled and flung my knit cap in the air!

Oh. It’s May. Shit.

Great stuff though. Fun to think about. Let’s stay off sixth street, boys.

by Sailor Ripley on May 15, 2025 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

One of the biggest points, imo

Year 2 of S&C and a more experienced OL.

Hopefully the cumulative effect of more time with Wylie, a better idea of what Searles wants, the addition of Hawkins all equal much stronger OL play.

I think we are still a year away from dominant play (hopefully next year you have a bulked up Estelle, Riser and Hughes all ready to crack the two deep), but I think there is definitely reason for cautious optimism for this season.

by Big(g) Ern on May 15, 2025 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Next time I get to write the fun post

Nicely done, as always.

Honestly, I’m as excited about the possibility of what this team might accomplish if things break right as you are. Hook ’em

76-37-5. Now GTFO.

by Peter Bean on May 15, 2025 3:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Felt like opposite day

Sunshine pumping Scipio and Debbie Downer Peter.

by Horncasting on May 15, 2025 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd tack on to the David Ash improvements bullet point that

our biggest contributors at WR, RB, and QB were all true freshmen. I think a year in the weight room helps all of them.

by pleaseplaykindle on May 15, 2025 3:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Red-Zone

I wrote this on BON discussing kicking, but lets put a positive spin on it. Texas finished 104th in TD percentage in the red-zone last yr. If the o-line plays better that number will be up significantly. Also 110 in red-zone scoring. Imagine the offense if we get to mediocre.

by codaxx on May 15, 2025 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Hitch me to the Dreamwagon!

Perfectly plausable points parleyed precisely predict pigskin paradise.

Please pass the pink pince-nez.

But I like it!

by LongHornedFrog on May 15, 2025 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

pthis!!

We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.

by JoeT63 on May 15, 2025 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

"2375 yards passing, 7.7 YPA, 19 TDs, 11 ints isn't crazy talk."

No, but it’s not Ash’s stat line against Cal, either, which is what my brain tried to make it into because of the sentence it follows.

Ouch.

by SP!DER on May 15, 2025 4:13 PM CDT reply actions  

I did that too.

Thought the period was a comma.

by Sailor Ripley on May 15, 2025 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was wondering if someone would ever beat Graham Harrell’s single game record of 1832 yards, 10tds, 8ints.

"Most of my clichés aren't original." -Chuck Knox

by Dustin Brockelman on May 15, 2025 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Did that as well.

Screw You...We're From Texas

by Hookem Up on May 15, 2025 8:11 PM CDT via Android app up reply actions  

All of the most important positions on offense were manned by true freshmen

QB, RB, LT, Wr. We went 8-5 that could have very easily been10-3 or 11-2. With experienced players we beat Missouri & Kansas State and possibly Ok. St.
Has any other program been forced to play true freshmen at those positions? If so, what were the results? Imagine any other Big12 team doing this. What result would they get?

by ole tnhorn on May 15, 2025 4:33 PM CDT reply actions  

It also........

……. was 2 FGs away from consecutive 5-7 seasons.

Even as it stands, it is 2 consecutive losing seasons in the Big-XII.

The improvements made in Scipio’s OP are mandatory for significant improvement.

--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---

by HornChamps on May 15, 2025 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

on the plus side you can add

at least we don’t have to play on that god forsaken carpet at Missoura. Why the fuck any football player with more than one offer would elect to play 6-7 home games per year on that rug is beyond me.

by texitect on May 15, 2025 5:29 PM CDT reply actions  

the turf or the knees?

by CMDR on May 15, 2025 9:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

They went through and methodically tore all the un-torn knees

It was like the football version of The Cove - not pretty to watch.

by nobis60 on May 16, 2025 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many untorn knees could have possibly remained at that point?!

Must be a bunch of Bruce Willises from Unbreakable. Good luck tearing those knees!

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by Andrew Wiggin on May 16, 2025 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

All signs Go

Young and talented team spends year growing up, has enough dramatic successes to warrant belief and enough dramatic difficulties to warrant an off-season of busting it.

I like the coaching, players, and mind-set. 3 for 3. Buckle up.

by G.O.F on May 15, 2025 7:40 PM CDT reply actions  

"Ride with me (side-saddle!) on a herd of unicorns shitting jellybeans through a meadow of licorice and penny candy as we explore what goes right in 2012."

It doesn’t matter that the rest of the blog made sense—-that line was just too damn good. Where does all this brilliant shit come from? Entertainment in its purest form.

by rightmuch on May 15, 2025 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Well done

Shitting jellybeans through a meadow of licorice indeed.

Btw, in a note of poetic irony (or ironic poetry) I remain convinced that the play where Bergeron’s hamstring injury began is the play depicted in your caption for this post. The d-back catches up to Bergeron at the end of that play, clipping his back heel, causing Bergeron’s leg to dip in a way that, even at the time, made me think uh-oh.

So, thanks for reminding of me of that in a post on what will go right this year. Now I’m shitting jellybean bricks.

by tx2step on May 15, 2025 9:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Sunshine! Lemonade! Optimisim! Yea!

Seriously, it’s good to see this as a foil against PB’s Eeyore moment.

I’m most interested to see the manefestation of three things after 1+ year under the retooled staff:

- S&C program improvement under Bennie Wylie
- Growth of David Ash with 1st team reps and coaching interaction
- Cohesion of blocking schemes with the OL

I have no concerns whatsoever about defense.

by Levander Williams on May 16, 2025 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

DAT OPTIMISM!!!

Great post, Scip. I’ve probably been drinking the Kool-Aid this off-season, but there are two kinds of Kool-Aid. There’s the good, honest Cherry Kool-Aid of anticipation and achievable promise - like the kind you gulp down after your last day of school while looking forward to a summer of fort building, Slip N’ Sliding, rock fights and maybe a fun family trip down to Port A. Then there’s the tangerine Kool-Aid of ephemeral fancy and impossible dreams, which inevitably leads to a slough of despond when fall rolls around and you realize that you did not make out with Brandi Mae Jenkins, you still cannot dunk a basketball, and Marc Singer and Michael Ironside never showed up to help you act out an imaginary episode of V in your aforementioned backyard fort.

I think our brand of offseason Kool-Aid is of the red variety, grounded in objective evidence and reasonable performance trajectories. There are a lot of ways to approach the question of “how much better (or worse) will we be than last year?”, but let’s look at a few:

Out of 22 starting spots are likely to see improved performance? - I’m actually working on a post on this, but you could make an argument that the only spots likely to see some regression from last year are Randall’s DT spot (which could be mitigated by a better/deeper DT rotation) and some combination of Robinson and Acho’s LB slots (where I think #1 candidates Edmond and Cobbs combine to be somewhat less able against the pass while offering an upgrade against the run and a potentially lethal upgrade as blitzers).

How will our scheme and execution compare to last season’s? - It’s hard for this not to look pretty positive. No coach or coordinator remains completely static in their scheme and thought process from season to season, but we’ve seen most of the Big XII firing on all cylinders while our guys - both excellent and widely respected - will be in position to unleash FAR more of their arsenal than they were able to employ in Year One. While lacking the pair of well-rounded TE/H-backs that would open up the full array of nightmarish shit that Harsin was able to pound defenses with at Boise, the Horns offense in 2012 will offer a much vaster array of options. A QB with an order of magnitude greater experience, an improved OL, better weapons at wideout and a neutron bomb in Jonathan Gray will give Harsin a ton of tools with which to stress defenses, gauge their reactions and punish them for their choices. On defense, Manny’s much-discussed ‘100 pages of fire zone blitzes’ will be far more well-worn by season’s end, and what’s likely to be an improved run defense will give him even more license to be creative as offenses get stuck behind the chains. Couple that with a pair of lockdown corners and a Swiss Army Knife like Vaccaro and we’ll be well positioned to disrupt even the wackiest Big XII spreadapalooza.

How stand the health/intangibles of the program? - Sometimes it’s not about the X’s and O’s or Jimmies and Joes so much as whether Jimmy and Joe have their head right with ball. Many a squad has been felled by something rotten in the locker room, whether it’s complacency, disconnect with the staff or good old-fashioned bitch kicking. It’ll be interesting to see how things unfold on the bayou this season with the apparent turmoil that broke out in and around the National Championship game, and the whispers about things being a tad off in Norman gained some more credence with the suspension of basically the whole WR corps. You don’t need to marshal any detailed arguments to convince Longhorn fans that these sorts of things can have a deleterious effect on one’s season, but the good news is that we seem to have undergone one hell of a housecleaning effort. The players are bought in, working hard, and should have the confidence that comes from knowing the coaching staff is putting them a step ahead of the competition rather than a step behind.

Scip already detailed the positive impact of our schedule (both in terms of sequencing and the diminution of our foes relative to last year) and the benefits of a full off-season under Bennie. Add all that up, and what do you get?

10 wins or bust, bitches.

by nobis60 on May 16, 2025 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   3 recs

You just tore the cover off of the ball Roy Hobbs style

I like your brand of kool-aid. I like forts. And I adore a good rock fight.

Really well said, sir. It’s tough not to be optimistic after reading Scipio’s points followed up by pure gold such as the above.

by Big(g) Ern on May 16, 2025 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

The continuing impact of V

I can’t count the number of truly terrible late night movies I’ve sat through simply out of some odd lingering juvenile loyalty to the badassery of Michael Ironside.

Don’t even get me started on Beastmaster.

Great post; it’s the good kind of Kool-Aid.

by Flipteach on May 16, 2025 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is what everyone keeps overlooking
How will our scheme and execution compare to last season’s?

Diaz’s schemes were brilliant - mostly. Not so brilliant against Baylor and OU. Harsin’s schemes were - well, dis-functional at best - except against two weak teams in TTU and KU. Admittedly, Harsin only played with about 7 cards out of the full deck, but still.

When you play chess, the men (players) on the board (field) have different positions of power. If they are removed from the board or put into a bad position, you generally lose. The game is really decided by those moving the pieces and their skills in playing chess.

Our young and new coaches were thrown into the cauldren of poor recruiting, attitudes and coaching - not to mention into an entire new league. You talk of the young players that needed experience - well, the coaches weren’t exempt from this either.

I think this will make the difference this year - and it will be dramatic. Texas ALWAYS has good talent - it is such a lame excuse to say we recruited so badly we were on a level of KU - bull shit.

Coaching and S&C make the difference. You don’t think so - Bill Snyder says Hi!

"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal

by Snide Aside on May 16, 2025 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Snide Aside

That was a very astute and under appreciated issue. Experience in the work force demonstarte effective teams aren’t built over night and need to be gel and bond. The second year of having the coaching staff intact will pay off big in this deparment.

by Holy_Cow on May 16, 2025 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Snide Asside

Should have read astute post and under appreaciated issue.

Also, Nobis, I’m thinking we grew down the street from each other, great post. Love the V shout out. . .

by Holy_Cow on May 16, 2025 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stephen: We'll send you where you'll serve us well.

Daniel: Where’s that, Stephen?

Stephen: Where else? On a serving platter.

With apologies to Punky Brewster, that was the best line ever uttered on TV during the entire 1980’s.

by nobis60 on May 16, 2025 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

guys, it's ok

I simulated this season on my xbox and we never scored fewer than 50 points a game. Our defense gave up about 40 points a game, but we still went undefeated and won the Fiesta Bowl (Alabama and tOSU were undefeated, too and played for the MNC).

And this was on heisman difficulty, too!

by vortic on May 16, 2025 2:21 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

i can not

believe I ever played one of those.. FCK I am old

by codaxx on May 16, 2025 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I still play on one

But every now and then I have a problem with Earl Campbell running backwards.

"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal

by Snide Aside on May 16, 2025 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our guesstimated numbers for Ash

were really close, as you’ll see in July or August.

by Nickel Rover on May 16, 2025 4:01 PM CDT reply actions  

College Football Bowl Bound Was THE game

Cotton Speyrer scored on the end around 9 times out of ten plays in the 1969 game.

by srr50 on May 16, 2025 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  


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