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Texas Longhorns and Minor Bowls: Pride and Piss Poor Efforts

"Men, it was easy to get out there and play like gladiators when we were fighting for a national championship – we were in the limelight. But now all we have to fight for is our pride. It would be easy to finish the season by playing out our last 30 minutes without too much effort, especially for you seniors, because there’s really not that much difference between 5-5 and 6-4 records. But now when it’s tough and there’s nothing but pride to fight for, you can show your real stuff and that you’re a Longhorn."

- Darrell Royal in "Meat on the Hoof"

According to the author and embittered former Longhorn Gary Shaw, Royal made the statement above at halftime of the 1965 Texas-Texas A&M game with the Horns trailing 17-0. Texas was unranked and out of the bowl picture for the first time in several years. Even worse, Texas’ fall from glory had been swift. Texas entered the season ranked second and then spent two weeks at No. 1 in early October. However, a 27-24 loss to Arkansas started a tailspin where Texas lost four of five to leave the Horns far from the national discussion. What happened next is of interest probably only to Longhorn fans. Royal told the team it needed to hold the Aggies to zero first downs and score three touchdowns. Then he wrote 21-17 on the dressing room chalkboard. It proved prophetic as that was the exact score when the gun sounded.

I happened to think of that quote when up on the platform waiting for my turn on the trapeze last week. At the Cirque, a man has a lot of time to think up on the platform.

Anyway, Texas playing in the Advertiser du Jour Holiday Bowl is in 2011 was a lot like that 1965 Aggie game. Besides the players, nobody much cared except alums and parents. However, I was pleased the Horns played with some sense of urgency because that has not always been true of Texas teams in minor bowls, particularly in the 70s and 80s. So my thoughts on the platform led to a series of questions: "When it comes to nobody-cares-bowls, how different is Texas from other top tier programs? Do the Horns play in more of them than other top programs? Fewer? . . . And when they are there, how does their performance compare with other prominent programs?"

(For your convenience, here are a few thread derailment talking points . . . "A school with such a vast income stream located in a such a fertile recruiting area should never find itself in a minor bowl" . . . "Oh, but look at how much progress was made and how our staff was upgraded" . . . "But how can anyone celebrate anything when our QB situation is so dire?" . . . The hope is that what Texas did in the Holiday Bowl is appreciated, regardless of how you see the state of the program.)

The fact is, all schools find their way to minor bowls, even the loftiest of the lofty. The alternative is what we experienced last year, sitting home. Playing in a minor bowl reminds me of something Mack Brown said when he signed a punter in an early recruiting class. Said Brown: "We’d rather not punt, but based on my experience, it happens from time to time." Applying similar logic, crummy bowl > no bowl.

So here’s the sample I examined:

  • Time period – From present day back to 1981, the year the Fiesta Bowl moved to New Year’s Day and became a major player along with the Big Four . . . This is basically the ESPN era.
  • Minor bowl definition - Anything that’s not a major bowl. From 1981 to 1995, major bowls were the New Year’s Day bowls: Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta and Cotton. After 1995, the Cotton was dropped from major status by the Bowl Coalition following the demise of the Southwest Conference and its automatic tie-in.
  • Top tier program definition – I started with the nine other teams besides Texas ranked in the top 10 for all-time wins. For good measure, I tossed in the three Florida schools (Florida, Florida State, Miami) and LSU, winner of multiple national titles in the last decade. It’s a total of 14 teams.

What I found was that Texas hasn’t partied as often as most of the teams in the sample group. However, once there, the Horns are middle of the road in performing well, which was better than I expected given the bowl missteps of the Akers-McWilliams-Mackovic era.

Participation from 1981 to Present

Teams

Major Bowls

Minor Bowls

Sitting at home

#

%

#

%

#

%

Nebraska

18

58.1%

11

35.5%

2

6.5%

Florida State

16

51.6%

14

45.2%

1

3.2%

Miami

16

51.6%

9

29.0%

6

19.4%

Michigan

14

45.2%

15

48.4%

2

6.5%

Ohio State

14

45.2%

14

45.2%

3

9.7%

USC

14

41.9%

8

29.0%

9

29.0%

Oklahoma

13

41.9%

10

32.3%

8

25.8%

Notre Dame

12

38.7%

9

29.0%

10

32.3%

Florida

11

35.5%

16

51.6%

4

12.9%

Penn State

9

29.0%

16

51.6%

6

19.4%

Texas

9

29.0%

14

45.2%

8

25.8%

Alabama

8

25.8%

17

54.8%

6

19.4%

LSU

8

25.8%

13

41.9%

10

32.3%

Tennessee

7

22.6%

20

64.5%

4

12.9%

One thing that jumped out at me is that anybody who sees failure in any season without a BCS bowl trip stands a great chance of spending a lot of post-seasons disappointed. As the table shows, Nebraska, Florida State and Miami are the only three schools that have made a major bowl more than half the time since 1981. However, before you get too jealous, consider the last decade. Florida State has only been to three major bowls in the last 11 years and none since the 2005 season. Miami hasn’t visited a major bowl since the 2003 season while Nebraska hasn’t made a major bowl since 2001.

As for minor bowls, the Big 14 combined for 186 appearances over the past 31 years, which averages out to 13.3 per school. Texas had 14.

Regarding major bowls, Texas is tied with Penn State for 10th with 9 appearances in the past 31 years. Still that ranks ahead of the combatants in this season’s BCS title game, LSU and Alabama, which are tied for 12th with 8 major bowl appearances.

Oklahoma ranks seventh with 13 major bowl appearances, with a 12-year gap separating the 6 visits by Switzer teams from the 7 trips under Stoops. During the dozen year drought, the Sooners sat home 7 times. Over the 31-year sample period, the Sooners and Longhorns both missed making bowl trips 8 times. Only two schools among the top tier did worse: Notre Dame (10) and Southern Cal (9).

Winning and Losing the Small Ones

Team Minor Bowls All Bowls
W L T Pct. W L T Pct.

Florida State

12 1 1 89.3% 22 7 1 75.0%

Alabama

13 4 0 76.5% 16 9 0 64.0%

Oklahoma

7 3 0 70.0% 12 11 0 52.2%

LSU

8

5 0 61.5% 12 9 0 57.1%

Penn State

9

6 0 60.0% 16 8 0 66.7%

Michigan

9

6 0 60.0% 14 14 0 50.0%

Texas

8 6 0 57.1% 12 11 0 52.2%

Miami

5

4

0 55.6% 14 11 0 56.0%

Tennessee

11 9

0

55.0% 15 12 0 55.6%

Nebraska

5 5 0

50.0%

13 15 0 46.4%

Florida

6 9 0 40.0%

13

13 0 50.0%

Ohio State

5 8 0 38.5% 14

13

0 51.9%

USC

3 6 0 33.3% 13 8

0

61.9%
Notre Dame

3

6

0

33.3%

8

13

0

38.1%

During the past 31 years, Texas’ 57.1 winning percentage in minor bowl ranks seventh while its 52.2 winning percentage in all bowls leaves the Horns tied with Oklahoma for eighth. While a 12-11 record in all bowls (including an 8-6 record in minor bowls) is not particularly impressive, some of the other top tier programs have fared worse. Nebraska (13-15) and Notre Dame (8-13) have losing records in all bowls. And in minor bowls, Florida (6-9), Ohio State (5-8), Southern Cal (3-6) and the Irish again (3-6) are in the red.

As mentioned earlier, Texas’ record was better than I was expected. One important factor is Texas’ 9-4 bowl record (including 6-3 in minor bowls) under Mack Brown. That’s all that’s separating the Horns from sharing real estate with Notre Dame. The Irish, who endured a 9-bowl losing streak that stretched from 1994 to 2006, reside on the Baltic Avenue of bowl land.

So if I had to assign a metaphor to this exercise of comparing the bowl performances of the nation’s top schools over the past three decades, I guess I’d go with preparing a tax return where I only owe a fraction of what I forecasted. Not as good as I wanted. Not as bad as I feared.

And the reason I had such low expectations goes back to the aforementioned Akers days. To recap, after getting blown out by Notre Dame in the Cotton Bowl to conclude the 1977 season, Texas demolished Maryland 42-0 in the 1978 Sun Bowl. Going forward, my expectation was that Texas might . . . MIGHT . . . lose in a major bowl showdown but would never lose another minor bowl in my lifetime. (This is only a slight exaggeration.) It turned out the Horns would only win two minor bowls in the next 20 years.

During the next seven years, Texas lost all five minor bowl appearances . . . and, if you'll think back to the Royal quote at the top, I didn’t sense much pride in those games:

1979 Sun Bowl – No. 11. Texas 7, No. 13 Washington 14 - A 13-7 upset loss to Texas A&M in the finale, knocked Texas from the New Year’s Day picture back to the Sun Bowl. Despite holding the Huskies to 165 total yards, Horns were doomed by three fumbles.

1980 Bluebonnet – Unranked Texas 7, No. 13 North Carolina 16 – A Texas team that was undefeated and ranked second as late as Oct. 25 lost four of its last six. The Heels were 10-1 but had lost their only meeting with a ranked team, Oklahoma, by a convincing 41-7 score. Texas had beaten those same Sooners 20-13. Future pros Amos Lawrence and Kelvin Bryant combined for nearly 200 yards rushing to control the game.

1982 Sun - #8 Texas 10, Unranked North Carolina 26 – Although ranked much higher thanks to routs of Texas A&M (53-16) and Arkansas (33-7), Texas’ attention span only lasted three quarters. UNC outscored Texas 23-0 in the fourth quarter for a come-from-behind win.

1984 Freedom - #19 Texas 17, Unranked Iowa 55 – Once again, Texas was higher rated. This time, the Horns couldn’t wait for the fourth quarter to fall apart. Iowa outscored the Horns 34-0 in the third quarter before calling off the dogs. The collapse in the game mirrored what happened during the season, which had begun with probably the two most impressive non-conference wins Texas has ever claimed in a single September. Texas followed a 35-27 win over Auburn and Bo Jackson with a 28-3 whipping of Penn State. However, Texas lost three of its last four before the Freedom fall.

1985 Bluebonnet – Unranked Texas 16, #11 Air Force 24 – Much like the 1980 Bluebonnet, Texas’ opponent had lost the only game it played against a ranked opponent, Brigham Young, 28-21. Texas (8-3), meanwhile, was battle-tested, having gone 2-2 against ranked teams, including wins over No. 4 Arkansas (15-13) and No. 15 Baylor (17-10). Despite outgaining Air Force 302 to 197 in total yards, the Horns suffered the only two turnovers of the game and were penalized 8 times.

Perhaps players from some of those Akers’ teams can provide convincing arguments that Texas really lost to better teams in one or more of those games. Maybe not. All I know is I was glad to see this year's team decide there was enough of a difference between 8-5 and 7-6 to play hard in the Holiday Bowl even though most of the world wasn’t tuned in.

We’ve got eight months to belly ache about recruiting, strength/conditioning, depth chart quandries (especially at quarterback), and the Longhorn Network. I'm just grateful we don’t have to grouse about losing a minor bowl on top of that. Winning always beats the alternative.

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1980 Bluebonnet – Unranked Texas 7, No. 13 North Carolina 16 – A Texas team that was undefeated and ranked second as late as Oct. 25 lost four of its last six. The Heels were 10-1 but had lost their only meeting with a ranked team, Oklahoma, by a convincing 41-7 score. Texas had beaten those same Sooners 20-13. Future pros Amos Lawrence and Kelvin Bryant combined for nearly 200 yards rushing to control the game.

There was another future all-pro on that North Carolina team that had an even bigger effect on the outcome.

Lawrence Taylor — baddest defensive dude I have ever seen in college. That North Carolina team was more talented than Texas.

1982 Sun – #8 Texas 10, Unranked North Carolina 26 – Although ranked much higher thanks to routs of Texas A&M (53-16) and Arkansas (33-7), Texas’ attention span only lasted three quarters. UNC outscored Texas 23-0 in the fourth quarter for a come-from-behind win.

Robert Brewer was “The Straw That Stirs The Drink” on that 1982 team — and he broke his hand in bowl practices. That meant a freshman Todd Dodge had to play QB. That was a very young team that was obviously going on to great things in 1983. But the 1982 team had Brewer who was the only QB I can think of that Fred Akers totally trusted with the offense, enough to give him great latitude in running it. They were lost when he went down.

I firmly believe that if Brewer had ever redshirted then that 1983 team would have been considered the best Texas team ever — at least until 2005.

Oh and It also snowed that day in the Sun Bowl, which was really weird.

1984 Freedom – #19 Texas 17, Unranked Iowa 55 – Once again, Texas was higher rated. This time, the Horns couldn’t wait for the fourth quarter to fall apart. Iowa outscored the Horns 34-0 in the third quarter before calling off the dogs. The collapse in the game mirrored what happened during the season, which had begun with probably the two most impressive non-conference wins Texas has ever claimed in a single September. Texas followed a 35-27 win over Auburn and Bo Jackson with a 28-3 whipping of Penn State. However, Texas lost three of its last four before the Freedom fall.

That team is a classic example of what happens when one team doesn’t want to be there. The players were so disgusted with the end of the season they didn’t want to go to a bowl, and they played like it.

1985 Bluebonnet – Unranked Texas 16, #11 Air Force 24 – Much like the 1980 Bluebonnet, Texas’ opponent had lost the only game it played against a ranked opponent, Brigham Young, 28-21. Texas (8-3), meanwhile, was battle-tested, having gone 2-2 against ranked teams, including wins over No. 4 Arkansas (15-13) and No. 15 Baylor (17-10). Despite outgaining Air Force 302 to 197 in total yards, the Horns suffered the only two turnovers of the game and were penalized 8 times.

Air Force was a good team that ran an offense that Texas (and just about everyone else) rarely saw anymore. It was also again an example of a team that really didn’t want to be there.

Nice post Cirque.

I would only add that there were dynamics working in the latter half of the Fred Akers Era off the field that were in play, much more than was publicly evident. The program was divided and burning down, really almost from the day Akers was hired.

He was able to survive by bringing an outstanding staff (young, enthusiastic blended with great teachers) that really recruited nationwide and was the first Texas staff to utilize the Longhorn name outside of Texas. The talent that poured in to Texas from 1977-81 was amazing.

But when he began to lose that original staff, the replacements were not of the same caliber. Then the internal cuts that were present from the mess of Royal’s departure became infected and spread like wildfire. Combine that with the free wheeling cheating going on in the SWC and the talent pool drained faster than Lake Travis during a summer drought.

That’s a long way of saying that there were a lot of factors at play in those “minor” bowls that are not easy to pigeon hole into a general theory.

by srr50 on Jan 10, 2026 10:23 PM CST reply actions  

Cool post! One thought I have is that people always question how “big name” programs with money and tradition (like Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas, or just a few years ago, Alabama) could ever go through a down period. The fact is that it happens to everyone. (Even Nebraska after, like 58 straight bowls!). In fact, because these are the most popular programs, they probably have gotten a fair share of invitations to play in bowls that they really didn’t belong in from an on-field standpoint. I think that has a lot to do with ND’s minor bowl performance.

I think the corollary question is how come schools with just as much money, fans, facilities, etc. never seem to get over the hump. I’m thinking of programs like UCLA, Texas A&M, Georgia, both schools in South Carolina, both schools in Arizona, Michigan State, and maybe Wisconsin.

by Hoju on Jan 10, 2026 11:07 PM CST reply actions  

Good stuff from both of you, Cirque and SRR.

I covered many of those Texas teams, and bowls, and reality is that we weren’t a top tier team most of the time. There was terrific talent in some areas, major holes in others. Akers’ teams almost always struggled offensively — especially at QB and WR, and at RB after Earl Campbell — and the over-taxed defense couldn’t carry the load.

I always felt, too, that Akers and his staff were unable to handle the mental side as well as Mack Brown has. Akers’ teams almost always expected to be competing for a national championship. As long as they were, they played hard and played to the level of their talent. But once the No. 1 bubble was burst, the players let down badly.

Unlike Brown, whose teams have an admirable record in the week after a defeat (until 2010-2011), Akers’ teams were almost a sure bet to follow that first loss with several more. The ’79 team, for example was badly split between defense and offense. The loss to A&M cost Texas a trip to the Sugar Bowl — which never happened in that era when the SWC champion was a Cotton Bowl host. The Sun Bowl performance mirrored that.

By ’84, the talent drain and staff issues SRR refers to had the program in a downward spiral. That team blew the SWC title late, notably in a loss to a struggling A&M. Akers was gone two years later. Most of the teams that McWilliams and Mackovic took to bowls were flawed in several areas. The result was dreadful meltdowns, notably in losses to Miami in the late ’80s and to Virginia Tech a few years after that.

by edsp on Jan 10, 2026 11:18 PM CST reply actions  

man, that brings back some really bad memories. you have to wonder what the future would have held had akers won either, or both, of the national title games he coached. Sigh…

by Noonan on Jan 11, 2026 2:33 AM CST reply actions  

Only twice under Mack Brown have I seen the team show up for a bowl game looking unmotivated:

-Cottom Bowl vs. Arkansas , in which 2 significant starters were suspended just days before the game; and
-Holiday Bowl vs. Washington, which was right after the Big 12 champtionship game fiasco, and in which the team rallied from a huge deficit to win.

Overall that 9-4 bowl record is pretty impressive. And the major bowl winning % of 75% is very good as well, especially considering it could be one injury away from 100%. The criticism of course is the low number of major bowl games.

by Horncasting on Jan 11, 2026 8:56 AM CST reply actions  

Old people are wise and good to have around, even if they do smell kinda weird.

Thanks for the great historical perspective, srr50.

by RedmondLonghorn on Jan 11, 2026 9:03 AM CST reply actions  

Srr50 –

Great stuff and salient points all. However, for the sake of conversation, I’ll throw a few counterpoints weakly back over the net.

1980 - One could argue Lawrence Taylor is the most transcendent player in NFL history. Certainly, Michael Lewis makes that case in “The Blind Side.” However, shrewd offensive coordinators can limit the impact of great players with strategy. Tommie Harris rarely had big tackle totals at Oklahoma yet the NFL recognized his value. Great DBs rarely have big interception totals because the action doesn’t come their way. And who can forget the wizardry of Greg Davis vs. North Carolina in 2001 where Julius Peppers had zero tackles or sacks. This is not to imply anybody else compares to Taylor, only that his impact can be limited by other factors.

But you are correct in vouching for quality of the Heels’ roster. Besides Taylor, UNC DT Donnell Thompson was the 18th pick of the next draft and had an 11 year career with the Colts. Taylor and Thompson were among 12 future NFL draftees sprinkled among the Heel’s sophomore, junior and senior classes.

1981 Lawrence Taylor (1st round) New York Giants
1981 Donnell Thompson (1st) Baltimore Colts
1981 Rick Donnalley (3rd) Pittsburgh Steelers
1981 Amos Lawrence (4th) San Diego Chargers
1981 Ron Wooten (6th) New England Patriots
1981 Harry Stanback (6th) Atlanta Falcons
1982 Calvin Daniels (2nd) Kansas City Chiefs
1982 Darrell Nicholson (6th) New York Giants
1982 Bill Jackson (8th) Cleveland Browns
1983 Mike Wilcher (2nd) Los Angeles Rams
1983 Dave Drechsler (2nd) Green Bay Packers
1983 Kelvin Bryant (7th) Washington Redskins

But Texas had a pile of talent, too. Its senior-most three classes had 17 future draftees. And, in the case of Kenneth Sims, he was a much better collegian (Lombardi Trophy) than as a washout in the NFL.

1981 Robin Sendlein (2nd) Minnesota Vikings
1981 Les Studdard (10th) Kansas City Chiefs
1981 Ken McCune (10th) Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1982 Kenneth Sims (1st) New England Patriots
1982 Bruce Scholtz (2nd) Seattle Seahawks
1982 Terry Tausch (2nd) Minnesota Vikings
1982 Lawrence Sampleton (2nd) Philadelphia Eagles
1982 Rodney Tate (4th) Cincinnati Bengals
1982 Mike Babb (5th) Cleveland Browns
1982 Vance Bedford (5th) St. Louis Cardinals
1982 William Graham (5th) Detroit Lions
1982 Joe Shearin (7th) Los Angeles Rams
1982 A.J. “Jam” Jones (8th) Los Angeles Rams
1982 John Goodson (8th) Pittsburgh Steelers
1982 Mike Hatchett (9th) Chicago Bears
1983 Kiki DeAyala (6th) Cincinnati Bengals
1983 Herkie Walls (7th) Houston Oilers

And this doesn’t include the 17 Texas players who were freshmen that would be drafted after the 1983 season. Without specific knowledge, I would suspect some of those players made an impact on special teams. Overall, I would still contend Texas was not outmanned but will admit there’s a compelling argument for those seeing it differently.

1982 - Brewer’s QB draw the year before in the Cotton Bowl win over Alabama is probably the third or fourth greatest run by at Texas QB. Vince’s game-winner against USC and Street’s scramble in the Big Shootout are Nos. 1 and 2. And you could argue Alan Lowry’s sideline saunter against Alabama in the 73 Cotton Bowl rivals Brewer’s run. So I will agree that Texas lost at lot with him out. On the flip side, Dick Crum the UNC coach was a great game planner but horrible recruiter. Bill Dooley (brother of Georgia’s Vince Dooley) left him a roster stocked with talent in 1978 and it took Crum about five years to deplete it to the sorry state Mack Brown inherited in 1988. By 1982, UNC’s depth was much less than in 80.

1984 – You are right. That game was all about "want to." And the difference between 9-3 and 8-4 wasn’t enough for the team to have an emotional investment. After the high in September, a 38-point loss in a minor bowl was a kick in the gut.

1985 – While the Air Force attack was unique and befuddling, it’s hard to say the Texas defense struggled as the Falcons only had 9 first downs and 197 total yards. Although Air Force had a slight edge in time of possession (30:45 to 29:15), Texas ran 13 more plays and had 108 more yards. The difference was that the Falcons were more opportunistic. Texas had no special teams play for a score or to flip the field, no stripping the ball from a running back, and, with eight penalties, no sustained composure to keep drives alive. The Texas team that beat A&M and Cal this year scratched and clawed. I don’t remember seeing much emotion from he 85 team.

But that circles back to your final point about the losing streak being the confluence of many factors, rather than just a blanket condition of "Texas doesn’t give a crap."

If that was the case then, where outcomes reflected the health of the program, then it would be nice if we could read more into the win over Cal for the same reason. The big difference is that you can’t compare a trend line with a single data point, which the Cal game is. However, I will go scavenging through my garage for my sunshine pump just to be ready.

by cirque du salado on Jan 11, 2026 9:12 AM CST reply actions  

Cirque: I am walking out the door so I can’t give your response the time it deserves, so I will leave it with this one anecdote.

That 1980 team had a Herkie Walls at WR — some may remember he was a QB at Garland who had Olympic Sprinter’s speed. He was 5-8 and 150 pounds soaking wet, but he could fly.

The WR end around had been deadly all year for the offense. Early in the contest Texas ran it to perfection. Herkie comes flying around the corner down the sidelines.

 Suddenly this blur in Carolina Blue — with a bad angle — runs him down and blasts him into the first row of seats.

Everyone on the Texas sideline looked at each other and you could tell it was gonna be a long night. Seeing that kind of speed and skill on tape is one thing, seeing it in person is another, Taylor was the first of his kind at LB so there weren’t too many OC’s back then who were ready to limit him through schemes.

by srr50 on Jan 11, 2026 9:23 AM CST reply actions  

Hoju -

I would add Missouri to your list. Located between KC and St. Louis, Mizzou does a weak job of keeping out-of-state predators from pilfering in-state talent. (And hopefully that will continue with DGB).

edsp - By the time Akers came around, I was already working out of state but did cover a handful of games as a scribe. From afar, those teams did seem mentally fragile . . . once a season’s bubble burst, it popped loudly.

 Noonan - For Akers, the big “what if” is the botched Curry punt return. But if you look at Mack, there are a couple of what if’s that could just as easily ruined the 2005 title. What if the Ohio State end doesn’t do a volleyball set before Cedric Griffin gets there? Texas would’ve needed two scores. And what if Darnell Bing picks off Vince Young in the fourth quarter instead of letting the ball hit the ground? Crazy game.

Horncasting - Those were indeed depressing games to watch, especially the Arkansas game. Everything that happened after the bonfire in 99 was a downer.

by cirque du salado on Jan 11, 2026 9:27 AM CST reply actions  

srr50:

Thx again for the historical references. At that time I was not old enough to understand the dysfunctional dynamics at work in the program. All I knew is they kept losing bowls and big games, and could not understand why.

Reliving this period helps keep me grounded in today’s environment. Would I prefer more NCs and CCs? Of course. Does Mack drive me up the wall sometimes, especially with recent entitlement shortfalls and outright mistakes on his part? Yes.

Playing Moses in the desert for the most part of the past 30 years, I have patience with the program.

by Nobis Haircut on Jan 11, 2026 9:38 AM CST reply actions  

Horncasting,

I would offer the 2003 Holiday Bowl in which Texas looked absolutely unprepared and got beat 28-20 by Wazzu. Featured possibly Vince’s worst stat line ever as a Horn and a team that look totally disinterested in being there.

Texas roster included 16 future NFL players in Ced, VY, Roy, Dave Thomas, Bo Scaife, Justin Blaylock, Jonathan Scott, Tim Crowder, Nathan Vasher, Micheal Griffin, Rod Wright, Marcus Tubbs, Micheal Huff, Aaron Ross, and Derrick Johnson.

by Davey O'Brien on Jan 11, 2026 9:46 AM CST reply actions  

srr50 -

I typically yield to someone who had boots on the ground and your anecdote about the Taylor-Wells collision is quite convincing. But here’s what perplexes me about the 1980 UNC team with Lawrence Taylor.

Oklahoma put up 41 points on them. Of course, as this year’s Texas-OU game showed, your offense and special teams can have a big hand in coughing up points. But a look at the box score shows this:

- OU had 495 yards . . . and it was ALL on the ground. J.C. Watts was 0-for-2 passing.
-
Turnovers were almost even . . . UNC had 4, OU had 3
— The Sooners had 83 return yards and none of OU’s TDs came on a returns

Perhaps Taylor was hurt although I couldn’t find a record of it. Sometimes weird things just happen. This is probably one of them. However, when a defense gives up that many yards and points to a one-dimensional attack, it makes me wonder. Texas held these same Sooners to 13 points.

All that said, my whole argument is based on comparing how three teams played against each other. There can be no weaker argument. (See Texas -Texas Tech-OU in 2008.) I’ll just shut up.

by cirque du salado on Jan 11, 2026 10:22 AM CST reply actions  

cirque,

How many teams in the ACC were running the wishbone at that time?

Texas was very, very familiar to defending the option and if there is one offense that can basically reduce the impact of an individual defender anywhere, but between the guards it is an option based offense.

The Horns were strong enough at defensive tackle and mlb to control the dive, were familiar enough with the option to properly play the quarterback which would kills teams unfamiliar with it, and had enough speed in the secondary to support on the pitch man.

by Davey O'Brien on Jan 11, 2026 10:33 AM CST reply actions  

ssr50 beat me to the punch on most of anecdotes (the LT - Herkie Walls thing, the El Paso snow storm). I will say that the Air Force game featured one or two pooch kickoffs that completely flummoxed Texas, one of which may have been caught in the air in stride by an Air Force player. I think it was after this game that DE James McKinney uttered what was to become an all too familiar refrain: “you can’t just expect to roll your helmet out on the field and beat people because it has a Longhorn on it” or something like that.

1984 is still the gold standard for disinterested bowl participation, but 2003 was close (that game also had the virtue of featuring a horrific game plan, in which a 5’8" DB from Wazzu completely throttled Greg Davis’ imagination).

by JUICE on Jan 11, 2026 10:42 AM CST reply actions  

DOB - Sound observation. Matchups can explain a lot of things.

by cirque du salado on Jan 11, 2026 10:54 AM CST reply actions  

“Fire Fred” circling Rice Stadium for the 85 Bluebonnet bowl was not to additive to the team. Plenty to talk about in the stands….

I was way up in the stands for the 80 Bluebonnet bowl. Couldn’t believe the guys in light blue were so fast and didn’t miss tackles. It was a great place to see the arm strength McIvor had in warm ups - that didn’t quite lead to the O productivity you’d think.

Good analysis. Thanks.

by Spastic Synapse on Jan 11, 2026 11:36 AM CST reply actions  

I was at the ‘82 Sun Bowl.
The snow was unexpected, but we were a ground-oriented team (which Fred teams weren’t) and that it would take some pressure off Todd. But the weather gods also inserted a brutal, howling wind. We were both unwilling and unable to throw the ball much at all and Fred went from ultra conservative to conservative on steriods and, the few times we did throw, the ball fluttered like a dying quail.

Still, we win that game with Brewer. I’ve only been that cold at a football game on a couple of occasions—-both of them attending my sons’ Austin Westlake playoff games. It was just numbingingly cold with the wind chill factor. That team was and still is one of my favorite Longhorn teams because of what they got out of the talent on hand, along with the ’72 squad that beat Bama in the CB with Alan Lowry playing QB. Don;t get me wrong, each one had some damned good players, but they played almost every game down to the wire and refused to even consider quitting.

Good post about not so good memories. Good also to be reminded that our guys didn’t pack it in in San Diego. That was far from a great team that we beat, and we should have beaten them. But attitude is a big deal in all sports. We’ll see what happens with everything else, but I think that component has being repaired

by Jake Lonergan on Jan 11, 2026 11:52 AM CST reply actions  

Davey, I agree with your addition of the 2003 Holiday Bowl. Washington State has exactly the kind of defense designed to make sure a disinterested team stayed that way - aggressive, mean, blitz-oriented.

Playing against a different team/defense - as in the Washington game horncasting mentioned - would have perhaps allowed us to eventually give a shit.

Who could have known that that was going to be our low point for a long time, and that it would be Wazzu’s high point for even longer?

by CrazyJoeDavola on Jan 11, 2026 12:01 PM CST reply actions  

Davey/Crazy Joe - I thought about the Wazzoo game, but IMO that type of start and inconsistency was not uncommon VY’s freshman year. Plus UT scored first in that game and lead at halftime. What I remember was that the UT offense had finally found something that was working in the second quarter, and then Davis went completely away from it. I didn’t think the team was necessarily unmotived, as much as a poor game plan and an inexperienced QB.

by Horncasting on Jan 11, 2026 2:04 PM CST reply actions  

A bowl nobody’s brought up in which Texas went through the motions . . . if you’re not older than dirt, like I am, you won’t remember it.

1971 Cotton Bowl. Notre Dame 24, Texas 11

That one scissored our 30-game win streak and allowed Nebraska to win its first MNC. We fumbled nine (9) (N I N E) times, lost five. Outgained the Irish by 67 yards. No scoring in the second half; we were down 21-3 and got a TD and 2-pointer two minutes before halftime — but never mounted an offense after halftime.

Notre Dame simplified defense of the wishbone by totally taking away the outside pitch (just nine of our 55 rushes were by halfbacks) and forcing the QB to keep the ball. They also fired two players at the fullback, Steve Worster, on every play. That resulted in most of the fumbles, either because the exchange was still happening or because Worster hadn’t secured the ball.

Stories I got later were that after beating Arkansas 42-7 to end the the regular season, Coach Royal simply couldn’t get the players focused on ND.

by edsp on Jan 11, 2026 2:17 PM CST reply actions  

“"Fire Fred" circling Rice Stadium for the 85 Bluebonnet bowl was not to additive to the team. Plenty to talk about in the stands….”

Papa Nordberg was the brainchild behind that one. He and a few friends split the costs. I was nine years old and remember it vividly. Good times.

by nordberg on Jan 11, 2026 2:54 PM CST reply actions  

Remember the 71 ND game. Yes I am older than dirt. Watched my forst football game in 1951, hence the tag; prehist51.

One of the Horns starters in that game, his father and I were work colleagues. His father told me that several of the Texas players were severely hung over at game time. Seems like some of the key players partied a little too much.

by prehist51 on Jan 11, 2026 3:08 PM CST reply actions  

The ’03 Holiday Bowl against Wazzu was a total embarrassment. Even the announcers seemed embarrassed, and commented that it, was the worst-coached team they had ever seen, speaking of UT.

by J.R.69 on Jan 11, 2026 3:10 PM CST reply actions  

Was Eddie Phillips hurt in the ’ 71 Cotton Bowl?

by Juice on Jan 11, 2026 3:25 PM CST reply actions  

I dont remember his name, but the Washington TB in the 14-7 game was from Texas and the subject of heated recruitng. And I think Ethan Horton was on one of those UNC teams.

by Juice on Jan 11, 2026 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

Prehist51: Yes, I remember hearing about that (hungover). The starting FB was one of the offenders, I believe. But Notre Dame had been burned by Worster and our halfbacks in the Cotton Bowl the previous year (Texas 21, ND 17), and changed defensive tactics.

Juice: Eddie Phillips had a great game rushing in the ’71 Cotton Bowl, and Texas stayed away from the pass until the last 8-10 minutes. Donnie Wiginton did play some, so Phillips may have been injured late. But Phillips had 20 carries before going out. He got hurt early in the ’71 season and missed most of the year. Wiginton filled in, we won 5 or 6 straight after losing to the Hogs, and won the SWC title outright when Arkansas lost to either SMU or A&M, and tied Rice.

Juice: The Washington player from Texas in the 1979 Sun Bowl was Willis Ray Mackey from, I believe, Luling. I knew one of his HS coaches (truly, older than dirt are I). Mackey was a tailback, and a good one, scored a touchdown against us IIRC. And there was, um, some Bear Bryant-Jackie Sherrill type shenanigans involved — if you believed the smoke signals of the time.

by edsp on Jan 11, 2026 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

prehist51 said: January 11th, 2012 at 2:08 pm

“Remember the 71 ND game. Yes I am older than dirt. Watched my forst football game in 1951, hence the tag; prehist51.

One of the Horns starters in that game, his father and I were work colleagues. His father told me that several of the Texas players were severely hung over at game time. Seems like some of the key players partied a little too much."

It’s been since written that Worster had been up all night partying. I think Steve learned to appreciate weed at some point during his career, given his subsequent rookie issues in the CFL for possession of some that “belonged to his roomate”. I can tell you that from 1969-1973 if you stopped for 5 minutes walking across the main mall or down the Drag and breathed deeply, you got an inexpensive buzz.

by Jake Lonergan on Jan 11, 2026 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

A couple of years after the 1971 Cotton Bowl, Royal mentioned that several of the players had a
“severe case of the All-Americans” before and during the contest.

by srr50 on Jan 11, 2026 5:29 PM CST reply actions  

A couple of things I remember about the 71 Cotton Bow . . .

- Their WR Gatewood was just a step or two quicker than the Horns’ DBs.
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Texas went screaming down the field on its first possession so quickly that I thought the Horns were going to pick up where they left off in their previous game, the 42-7 rout of Arkansas.

Horns have lost four straight to the Irish . . . I look forward to the renewal of the series in a few years.

by Cirque du Salado on Jan 11, 2026 7:19 PM CST reply actions  

I’ll always remember a dude working for the Texan writing McIvor threw like he was skipping rocks….funny and accurate

by Justin on Jan 11, 2026 7:44 PM CST reply actions  

Interesting article on Willis Mackey if anyone is interested. He originally signed with us back when we did the 2 separate signings. I never got the point of having a SWC signing day and then a national signing day a week later.
I always wondered what happened to Mackey and his last game was against us in the Sun Bowl.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20021227&slug=sun27

This has been a great, great thread.

by my name is nobody on Jan 11, 2026 7:46 PM CST reply actions  

Thanks guys! I love the history lessons! ssr, would love to see something history-related as a regular feature. Even if was just some quick thoughts on a past meeting with a particular foe. Then the great comments from all these other guys with incredible memories would round things out nicely. I can’t remember half the games I have seen and all but a few details of the most memorable ones, but some of you guys can recall things in such vivid detail…I am envious!

by Ricky on Jan 11, 2026 8:05 PM CST reply actions  

A couple of thoughts.

1. It’s interesting to see a #8 and #11 ranked Texas team playing in the Sun bowl which is the, I believe, basically an Alamo bowl level game. The current BCS system would most likely have those teams in top tier bowls.

2. For as conservative as Akers was on offense, there sure were a hell of a lot of turnovers. Looking at box scores show 3,4, or 5 turnover games fairly routinely. Throwing 5 INTs on 50 passes is one thing throwing 4 on 20 passes is another.

by Holdem on Jan 11, 2026 9:14 PM CST reply actions  

Horncasting,

Davis was alternating Mock and VY so the offense really struggled for much of the first half except for one long drive and even that was a struggle.

They did have the lead, but that drive was basically one long run and settled for a field goal.

Wazzu made adjustments at half by bringing pressure on almost every play.

Even with Greg Davis trying to force a offense that didn’t fit the personnel that defense had 7 guys on it who either played in the NFL or are still in the NFL and Wazzu should not have been able to move the ball the way they did that game against Texas. If I am not mistaken Reese shortly resigned after that game.

by Davey O'Brien on Jan 11, 2026 9:28 PM CST reply actions  

Sandwiched between Simms and Vince Young, Chance Mock had a rough time getting and staying on the field. Too bad he didn’t have any eligibility left this year.

by Cirque du Salado on Jan 11, 2026 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

Best ND banner at the ‘71 Cotton Bowl: What’s a Woo-Woo? Referring to the Woooooo that came from the Texas crowd that season whenever Worster had a carry.

by g'69 on Jan 11, 2026 11:03 PM CST reply actions  

One good thing came out of the 2003 Wazzu game - the 610 Mack Brown on a Mobile segment, in which Mack expressed his mistaken belief that there would be no blitzes, and then a guy called in afterwards castigating the fake Mack. One of the funniest things I’ve ever heard.

by Juice on Jan 12, 2026 12:38 AM CST reply actions  

Juice,

No doubt one of the funniest things I have ever heard on the radio and most likely the high point for Lance and John.

by Davey O'Brien on Jan 12, 2026 9:56 AM CST reply actions  

Bowl games have evolved over the years. The older guys can remember when there were very few bowl games played outside the big 4 on New’s Year Day. (Rose, Cotton, Sugar, Orange). The other long time bowls are the Gator and the Sun Bowl. The Sun Bowl featured the champion of the old Border Conference against an at large team, usually from the Missouri Valley conference. Some other minor bowls were the Tangerine, now the Capital One Bowl, the Jr. Rose Bowl. In the late 50s, I think around 1959, the Liberty and the Bluebonnet bowls came into being. The 1960’s saw several bowl games added.
Back then teams needed to win their conference to get a bowl invitation or be very highly rated to get an invite to the Gator bowl. There was none of this win 6 games and go to a bowl back then. You really needed to be a very good team to get an invite.

I miss those good old days, remember the days of one platoon football where you could only substitute 2 players on the change of possession. I believe 1964 was the year they switched back to free substitution in college ball.

by prehist51 on Jan 12, 2026 10:07 AM CST reply actions  

The 1965 season showed a mental weakness in Longhorn football which has repeated itself several times since. I saw that Arkansas game in Fayetteville, and Tommy Nobis pulled a “Gideon” on the last and winning Arkansas drive with time running out. I know everyone says you don’t loose a game on one play, but it is OK to say you win a game on one play. Right? Nobis lost us that game just as much as Gideon did IMHO, and in the long term the team couldn’t get over it. Next week Rice took down a lifeless Longhorn team, and then the slide continued. The only reason Texas won the Aggie game was because it was the Aggies, and the Lonhorns were a very good team still, physically at least. For what ever the reason, Texas can’t seem to shrug off the mental effects of such as the “Gideon” drop and the McCoy hit. I still can’t either.

by Don Meyer on Jan 13, 2026 11:03 AM CST reply actions  

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