College Football Playoff Being Finalized
Keep those Alabama people away from this.
Apparently, the 64 team field was ruled out. Also, the BCS said nyet to plans involving just two teams, eight teams and 16 teams. But in the words of Jason Kirk:
...the biggest news here is that a four-team playoff beginning in 2014 is all but unavoidable now.
I'd still favor a field of 8 but this beats a stick in the eye.
Andy Staples had some good thoughts yesterday.
Also, thoughts on venues.
Official BCS statement below the jump.
"As part of our deliberations, we have carefully considered a number of concepts concerning the post-season structure for the BCS. From the start, we set out to protect college football's unique regular season which we see as the best regular season in sports. We are also mindful of the bowl tradition and seek to create a structure that continues to reward student-athletes with meaningful bowl appearances.
"Having carefully reviewed calendars and schedules, we believe that either an 8-team or a 16-team playoff would diminish the regular season and harm the bowls. College football's regular season is too important to diminish and we do not believe it's in the best interest of student-athletes, fans, or alumni to harm the regular season.
"Accordingly, as we proceed to review our options for improving the post-season, we have taken off the table both an 8-team and a 16-team playoff.
"We will continue to meet and review the exact structure for what a new post-season could look like. We are making substantial progress. We will present to our conferences a very small number of four-team options, each of which could be carried out in a number of ways.
"We have discussed in detail the advantages and disadvantages of in-bowl or out-of-bowl games.
We have discussed in detail the advantages and disadvantages of campus sites or neutral sites. We have discussed in detail the advantages and disadvantages of various ways to rank or qualify teams.
"Our process is proceeding as we have planned and we look forward to further conversations."
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Thank you Iowa State.
Honorable mention to the lowest BCS MNC game ratings in history.
by CMDR on Apr 26, 2025 2:46 PM CDT reply actions
Is Jim Delany Voldemort?
And can he scotch this in the egg in someway?
by Sailor Ripley on Apr 26, 2025 2:57 PM CDT reply actions
Like the 4 team format and agree with these thoughts
we believe that either an 8-team or a 16-team playoff would diminish the regular season and harm the bowls. College football’s regular season is too important to diminish and we do not believe it’s in the best interest of student-athletes, fans, or alumni to harm the regular season.
There have been plenty of situations where a strong argument could be made that #3 was just as deserving as #2 (or in the case of 2008, #3 over #1 and #2). I can’t ever remember thinking that #5 was getting screwed.
How soon until we start reading articles that the SEC should have a minimum of 2 teams in it every year?
by Horncasting on Apr 26, 2025 2:57 PM CDT reply actions
I suspect most years
they probably will.
by Sailor Ripley on Apr 26, 2025 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll get to 8 eventually
It may take a while, but I think this is one of those situations where we take baby steps and it expands. Unfortunately, this means that there will - at some point - be pressure to keep expanding to an unwieldy number.
Personally, I never have believed that an 8 team playoff would actually diminish the regular season. This would be doubly true if the first round or two are played at home stadiums as there will be a fight for home-field and teams will want to impress the voters/computers/whomever that they should get one of these last spots. Ultimately, we have seen teams make it to the championship game w/o winning their conference or division, and the end of the season tends to be rivalry games, so the regular season should not really be diminished.
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by Elm City Horn on Apr 26, 2025 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
8 Teams
I’m not sure if there are ever 8 teams that could plausibly win it all but what they hey, the playoff games would still be very cool.
by Sailor Ripley on Apr 26, 2025 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
who knows though?
we’ve never seen anything like it even tested before.
by Nickel Rover on Apr 26, 2025 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not...
I would hazard a guess, though, that if you play it out on the field, you will occasionally get 5 or 6 seeded teams in the final - or even win it all. Will be fun to watch, which is really the point IMHO.
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by Elm City Horn on Apr 26, 2025 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree
Will be fun to watch, which is really the point IMHO.
The point of the regular season is that it is fun to watch (and there is alot of truth to it being sudden death from the first game of the season). The point of a championship game is to crown a true, deserving champion, not a team that got hot in an end-of-season tournament.
by Horncasting on Apr 26, 2025 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point.
Hadn’t thought of it quite that way.
Unfortunately, after thinking this over for a while (seriously I went back and forth for at least 10 min) I would have to say that you aren’t really a true champion if you can’t beat anyone anywhere. Just a solid contender.
by e1 kabong on Apr 26, 2025 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
The cynic in me
Says that the point is to make money, and you get that with fans watching something they think is entertaining. In the grand scheme of it all, the point really is to entertain. These games are put on for the primary purpose of entertaining the fan base and giving the fans/students a sense of pride (obviously, the money is the driver here, as in the rest of the entertainment industry).
I understand the argument that we can end up crowning a team that just got hot later on, but that’s not something that really bothers me. If you need to win all the games, you need to win all the games, and when you start with a field of 124 teams, it can feel more legitimate making the highest rated ones actually play each other.
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by Elm City Horn on Apr 26, 2025 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I may be wrong,
But I don’t think football lends itself to a team getting hot due to the nature of the game. Weird things happen in football games, but teams will tend to regress to their mean pretty quickly due to the limited impact one player can have on a game, transcendent quarterback excepted.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 26, 2025 5:32 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, BCS
You can talk all you want about the sanctity of the regular season, but we all know what your true motives are. You’ll have more credibility I’d you just come right out and say it.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 26, 2025 3:29 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Wetzel
I think Wetzel debunked the sanctity of the regular season silliness in the Death To The BCS book. Seeding matters, especially if there is a home filed at stake.
Also, there are so FEW games. People care. People will go. Rivalries are rivalries.
by Sailor Ripley on Apr 26, 2025 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Great boook
actually got to cite it heavily in a law school paper on public choice…good times
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by Elm City Horn on Apr 26, 2025 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Seeding is just one factor
Automatic bids for conference champions enhances the competitiveness of conference play. For most conferences, winning it is for bragging rights and possible placement to a more “prestigious” bowl games - which are just post-season exhibition games. The regular season is enhanced, not diluted by conference tie-ins.
by Eskimohorn on Apr 27, 2025 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Given the weak schedule
most teams are playing I prefer the 16-team format by a good measure.
Why do we have to wait for 2014 to institute a 4-team system?
by Nickel Rover on Apr 26, 2025 3:30 PM CDT reply actions
B/c current contract runs through 2013
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by Elm City Horn on Apr 26, 2025 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Four is plenty.
It will probably end up being close to a Big 12+/-, SEC, PACwhatever and Big Tensomething or an independent representative in the elimination most seasons.
Makes at least three post season games worth something.
by lonesome devil on Apr 26, 2025 4:09 PM CDT reply actions
Rule change I propose for playoffs
forget the idiotic 25 yard line nonsense, in the event of a tie. Play an extra quarter, instead.
by j_java on Apr 26, 2025 4:31 PM CDT reply actions
I like it. But what happens in 2nd overtime? Another quarter?
Or does it then revert to the old system?
Or incorporate the NFL version of overtime?
by e1 kabong on Apr 26, 2025 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
IMHO,
We should go to an eight team playoff, allow D 1-A schools 100 scholarship players, and pay them a cost of living stipend while on scholarship. Then, the extra time wouldn’t be such an issue, but until we advance to that level, we would have to go to Sudden Death after end of 1st overtime quarter.
I simply despise the ‘new’ college overtime rule.
Hook ’em!
by j_java on Apr 27, 2025 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
That's it. I'm out.
Time to start following the English Premier League or the race for the NHL President’s Trophy or something.
Fucking playoffs. This will not end well. Mark my words. In 15 years, college football will be an unrecognizable Junior NFL. Jumbotrons blaring ads during games. “Zombie Nation” and “Hell’s Bells” drowning out the marching band. Jerry Jones meddling with shit. And now a playoff. There’s no stopping it now.
It’s like there’s a second law of thermodynamics governing American sports. Every unique state of affairs must gradually drift into conformity with the standard format. “Every other sport has a playoff! It must be better!” No. You just think it’s better, because you confuse prevalence with superiority. I detest you and everything you stand for, hypothetical foil to my rant!
Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.
by BrickHorn on Apr 26, 2025 4:46 PM CDT reply actions
My favorite argument for it is
“It could be as exciting as March Madness!!!!”
by Horncasting on Apr 26, 2025 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Lol...
I can’t tell if this is tongue-in-cheek or not. I detect a slightly sarcastic tone. Mostly because college football already is all those things.
I like the prevalence with superiority riff.
I think that people just want it to be fairer…for both sides sake (the haves and have-nots). This way Boise (And other schools) can’t rant and rave about how it could have won it all had the system not been so biased. They will just get shit on repeatedly and go home.
by e1 kabong on Apr 26, 2025 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Preach it brother
I’m buying what you’re selling, and picking up what you’re putting down. And if you have a newsletter, I will subscribe to that shit.
by withaplum on Apr 26, 2025 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
"In 15 years, college football will be an unrecognizable Junior NFL."
It’s already as close as they can make it in every aspect except the postseason.
by BobInHouston on Apr 29, 2025 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Four is fine for now
It’s a whole lot better than what we have now. I do agree with some others here that eventually, the idea of an eight team playoff will be revisited. Reference a comment about an eighth team not being good enough to win it all…a lot of years, that might be true, but there have been times when a team that low got hot late in the regular season, and could have contended.
"I'd rather die while I'm living than live while I'm dead." (Jimmy Buffett)
by coolhorn on Apr 26, 2025 4:49 PM CDT reply actions
8 is better...
Sure, you’ll get the occasional houston in there (Sumlin left…so perhaps that’s not true), but there are some years where we have 4 undefeated and a slew of one loss teams.
I believe 1 rep from every major conference (at least) should be present, along with a few wildcards and/or weaker conference champs (boise falls in this category…for now).
Basically, take the best of every conference and let em play it out.
by e1 kabong on Apr 26, 2025 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions
In 2005, do you think 9-2 Miami or 10-2 Georgia deserved a shot at UT or USC?
by Horncasting on Apr 26, 2025 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Last year, do you think Bama (and only Bama) deserved a second shot at LSU?
by e1 kabong on Apr 26, 2025 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I think OSU did as well (actually, IMO OSU deserved it over Bama)
Which is why I think the cutoff at 4 is ideal.
And I sure as hell don’t think Stanford, Oregon, Boise, Arkansas or Kansas State deserved a shot. Talk about watered down.
by Horncasting on Apr 27, 2025 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Lol...fine, then lets just leave it at Champions, and have bowls....
But take away the “national championship”. Because the “National” part of it connotes that they would face other regions in the nation to determine who is an overall winner.
Otherwise, lets just hand out participation trophies and be done with it.
Yay for regional champions!
That way we have less empirical evidence, and can argue more about who would beat who.
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
To clarify....
My argument here is that there are more than 4 leagues (big ones), and thusly, it will again become a beauty pageant, only between conferences (god knows we need more of this). So just put all the champions in a tourney along with Highly ranked (and perhaps undefeated) wildcards (read: independents or lesser conference champions), and let them settle the argument on the field. Every year.
What’s so good about only 4? That you would somehow have “more entertaining” games? Doubtful. Everyone likes the underdog. Good ratings, good entertainment. You just don’t want to let them in? Because they might fluke out one down year and win? Is this your argument?
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, why not?
If Texas had blown the Aggy game or not escaped the horseshoe should they have had a chance?
by Nickel Rover on Apr 26, 2025 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I think if UT or USC really is the "Best" and a "champion"....
They should be able to beat 9-2 and 10-2 teams…
Should they not?
Some years some conferences are more loaded than others, which leads to 10-2 seasons often-times. Perhaps they are better though, than Boise who is 12-0. This way a champion is determined…not selected.
I think playing it out is the only way to say who really deserves to win it.
by e1 kabong on Apr 26, 2025 5:04 PM CDT reply actions
Inconsistent argument
So the undefeated teams should have to beat additional 9-2/10-2 teams to be legitimate champions, but the teams with 2 losses during the reguarly season, who already proved they can’t beat every team anywhere, should get a chance?
by Horncasting on Apr 27, 2025 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
You misunderstand me.
I want 5 league champions and a few wild cards. Then let the league champions duke it out. Sometimes the best team coming out of a league has a 10-2 record…but it means more if it’s from the SEC than 12-0 does for boise. In that regard, yes, if boise wants to be national champions they must face other league champions, even if that means facing a 10-2 team.
There is a flipside. If we want to be national champions, we should best a 10-2 SEC team, or at least let them in the damn playoffs. 5 big conferences + a few wildcards(see: independents and Boise) = 8. No more, no less.
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry...I meant conference, not league. But i'm sure you figured that out.
Isn’t that the true test of who is a national champion? (facing other champions)
Otherwise, they’re all just champions, and lets leave it at that. Don’t even award a National champion.
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
would any of your independents
come from the 5 major conferences or would they have to be from the smaller/independent pools?
by Nickel Rover on Apr 27, 2025 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Ideally? No. A champion is a champion
But because it IS 8, and there are only 5 big conferences, and TCU joined one of them, you might once in a while get 2 or 3 from the same conference, if it is loaded and they are 11-1 or some such nonsense.
I’m not saying it’s perfect…
But it’s definitely better than the atrocity committed last year. And this way, there is room for teams like Boise (and others in the future) to compete with the big boys.
No more “Bus” from ESPN Insiders. They will lose the majority of the time, and fall out of favor, or they will win and implement a new style of football.
Competition breeds greatness. Selection breeds…Well, how the hell would a teacup poodle survive in the real world?
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
So basically, there are 5 autobids....1 reserved for indies/lesser conf champions
and the other 2 would be the wild card slots…
This would be determined by record and BCS ranking. And open to ALL comers (auto-bid, indy, smaller champs…whatever), and SOS still means something for a 1or 2 loss team.
It’s kind of a middle ground to the two systems. Neither is really favored. The regular season means something, SOS still means something (for wild card slots), and it allows all the major conferences a bid to show their worth against top teams. Not 10-2 Oklahoma v 7-4 Arizona or some stupid shit, just because they are trying to find the 37th team selection in a regional bowl, and they are next in line.
Again, not perfect. But better. And perhaps Boise will fluke out one year. Let’s not forget though, they would have to face 3 other champions to do so. In that case, they deserve it. They probably are on par with other BIG teams and should be recognized for it.
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
reply fail.... I was commenting on horncastings last post
also,
Short answer: Yes, if they win their league, they should get a shot.
by e1 kabong on Apr 26, 2025 5:05 PM CDT reply actions
A Team Would Have to Get....
hotter than the fires of hell and damnation to fluke into winning three games in a row against 3 of the best teams in college football.
Anybody getting into the top 8 at season’s end and then beating the equivalent of 2011’s Stanford, ’Bama, and LSU teams in succession is a deserving champion.
by Bobby_Batronic on Apr 26, 2025 9:07 PM CDT reply actions
I think
you get it right when you say “deserving champion”, I think it’s more than likely that the best team would not be the one that came out of an 8 team playoff. But, the team that played the best would come out on top.
Because there are so many college programs and because so few of them play each other there is no good subjective measure by which we can determine a champion.
So, a playoff is the only system way to reward a team for its actual seasonal performance.
This is also why I think Texas should make League crowns a higher priority since it’s best reflection we have of actual performance. How high Texas ranks at the end of the year is a pretty easy standard to pass since our stature commands respect irrespective of our actual accomplishments in a given year.
by Nickel Rover on Apr 27, 2025 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think that in the long run,
a playoff system will lead to more consistency in terms of style of play across the league? When you only have one team to play in the postseason, you can taylor your style of play to the conference you play in and spend the bowl practices making adjustments to the scheme of the team you are paying in the bowl. With a playoff system, even if it’s only four teams, you son’t have that luxury of scouting and scheming for one opponent and matchups become much more of a determining factor in deciding who survives. I think.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 27, 2025 9:41 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe
or possibly the reverse. In a 4-team playoff, if you win a major conference you are in and just 2 wins away from a MNC. If a single team is repeatedly successful in the playoffs I’m sure everyone will try and mimic them but 4 or even 8 teams is not enough to guarantee entry to a team playing a style that won’t win the conference.
Even the 16 team formats I’ve seen make conference championships a priority.
Ultimately, where you see styles conflate is in defense where your style and personnel is subject to what you have to stop. So you would have to have a good enough offense to outscore the teams you ignored when you crafted your defensive philosophy to handle the tournament, or vice-versa.
Major schools may look more similar but the fringe programs won’t if they’re smart.
by Nickel Rover on Apr 27, 2025 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you on that.
I think power running play-action based offenses with defenses built with power up front and speed in the back, basically SEC style might become the norm if the playoff expands. Based on my limited knowledge of schemes that seems to be the style that has the highest percentage of success when matched up against a wide variety of different play styles.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 27, 2025 5:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah
but it’s really hard to implement it, especially if everyone else is trying to do so. The Peterson/Harsin Boise offense is one of the only instances I’ve seen of a program with limited resources install that kind of system effectively.
As the Big 12 demonstrates: Many teams can find the athletes to field awesome spread teams, but the SEC demonstrates that there aren’t enough big, fast bodies to go around for everyone to play smashmouth football and dominate the line of scrimmage with power.
KSU and Va Tech are 2 more examples off the top of my head of smaller programs with Power football principles and both redshirt, greyshirt, juco transfer, and option their way to victory.
by Nickel Rover on Apr 27, 2025 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
I’m sorry, I’ve been posting hastily in short windows of time and thus haven’t been clear. That last post was supposed to be taken in the context of agreeing with your notion that only the teams with more resources will be able to event these types of strategies, whereas teams with less ability to recruit the players needed for those schemes will still need to scheme around what’s available to them.
Overall, I just think that in the pursuit of championships and the need to make it through a gauntlet of a postseason, all major programs will converge over time to the scheme that matches up well with widest variety of opponents. Somewhat analogous, perhaps very analogous, to the concept of convergent evolution in biology.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 27, 2025 6:16 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree....
However, not to the extent that EVERY major program has the same style. It’s not necessarily that way in the NFL. There are still big time programs implementing things from college football.
I think you are right in that things will evolve. I just believe evolution goes from order, to chaos, to order again (to borrow a quote from SLC punk). Perhaps they will converge on a particular style. Until someone figures out how to beat that style soundly, and then they will move away from it.
Like a big game of rock, paper, scissors. There is always a weakness.
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with middle paragraph.
I could see a drift toward conformity, followed by a pressure to be different in some advantageous way once the degree of conformity reaches a critical mass and the cycle repeats. Somehow I feel like we’ve gotten into astrophysics
by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 27, 2025 6:41 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"This shit is chess, it ain't checkas"
I like Nickels comment below. I wish I had thought of phrasing it that way. Probably the best response is a frankenstein of the two ideas.
Some will build for power, others for speed, and others for middle ground (where they try to adapt to each team) in hopes of squeaking by both ways, and out-athleting (for lack of a better term) both the other styles.
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
My reference to astrophysics
was an allusion to the theory, which I believe is now old hat, that the universe is in a perpetual cycle of expansions and contractions of which I was reminded when thinking about a cycle oscillating between conformity and diversity.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 27, 2025 7:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I got it. Actually your post reminded me of the same thing.
My first thought was the theory(? there is evidence of hotter and colder times but we don’t really know if the Earth manifested its own evolution, or if an outside object caused them…so theory right?) of Earth and how it goes from hot to cold and we are just a blip in between. Referencing again, your evolutionary theory which would have to correlate with any change in the face of the planet.
But then I saw the astrophysics comment and thought of the larger connotations as well. Then I realized I was on a discussion forum for football, and threw in a Denzel quote…As we kind of went off topic and were discussing far more confusing things than football.
by e1 kabong on Apr 27, 2025 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure there was a very similar discussion going on in the the ESPN message board
by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 27, 2025 7:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Ah, yes
I agree. The differences, I bet, will come in how it’s accomplished. Oklahoma uses spread formations and tempo to try and run the ball, Texas uses motion, diversity, and gameplanning, other teams use the option, Les Miles depends on the sheer athleticism of his dudes.
by Nickel Rover on Apr 27, 2025 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
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