Scrimmage Video Up At Texas Sports Dot Com
Here it is.
And in my best Dennis Green voice with respect to David Ash, if you're going to crown his ass, crown him. Holy cow that kid can spin it. In all seriousness, I get that this is just a snippet of information in the grand scheme of things, but some of the plays Ash makes whets the appetite, no? Here is what I think about the highlights in the video, but I'd love to get the Barkers' thoughts on the matter:
The first play on the video was what the Asset was talking about when he mentioned Ash throwing to Onyegbule into the tightest of windows. Great hands by the true freshman receiver.
The next passing play is Gilbert's horrible pick to Keenan Robinson. Notice the deep drop? It does look like he's playing free safety. Another cap tip to my boy.
The next pass play is wobbly, but accurate ball to Onyegbule and the frosh makes another terrific catch.
The next downfield pass play is an ugly pick inside the red zone by Case McCoy. Blake Gideon jumped the route. Uggh.
The next pass play is a terrific catch by John Harris. We mentioned the young DB's weren't having trouble with position, but they were struggling to make plays on the ball. It looks like Diggs is in great position on this one but he failed to locate the ball.
Next play Shead takes the ball down to the goal line on a long run.
Good throw by Connor Wood to find Terrell in the back of the endzone on the very next pass play.
Then there's the coup de grace, Ash with a bullet to Shipley for a TD against the first team defense. That's a big time throw, true fish to true fish. I wonder how many times they'll make type of correction in the next 3 or 4 years. Will the eventually be roommates and play catch on a fishing boat?
The video ends with Gilbert hitting a little hitch route to Darius White. First down? Perhaps.
All in all, the video validates what we heard about last night's scrimmage in my own humble opinion, but I'm not interested in that part of the equation. I want to know what you think. I realize the sample size isn't ideal, but I think you can glean a lot of information from the piece. I'd love to read your thoughts on the matter.
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Cant wait. True work in progress. Ash should get the snaps.
by Longonhorns on Aug 14, 2025 10:53 PM CDT reply actions
Impressed with Shead’s speed. I don’t see any reason for him not to get some decent reps this year outside of goal-line situations.
by The Moral Compass on Aug 14, 2025 10:56 PM CDT reply actions
As you say, the sample size is small, but the throws we did see from Ash were very impressive. Tight, crisp delivery with good arm strength. If he makes good decisions in game time and has the players believing in him, it sounds like the Asset hit the nail on the head with his evaluation on this kid.
Conversely, I don’t know why Case’s performance is getting good reviews on other sites. He tossed a wounded duck that Onyegbule saved him on (much like we saw Darius White do in the spring game), and the interception to Gideon was atrocious. I didn’t see he was under much pressure when he tossed it, just a bad toss. Again, the reviews here were spot on.
by TKO on Aug 14, 2025 10:59 PM CDT reply actions
I just noticed David Ash looking off Blake Gideon on that TD to Shipley. Good stuff and a long time coming for the position.
by Jesus Shuttlesworth on Aug 14, 2025 11:05 PM CDT reply actions
My first conclusion is that it’s hard to tell much with the camera in the players face. Back up buddy!
What I could see what that every time you see Ash, his body language is “win”. If he is not making big mistakes at times in practice give him the nod so far.
Gilbert’s interception looked bad but hard to tell. Robinson is way back there so may it was a Herculean effort. My problem is that the intended WR is not in the shot. Looks really bad.
The running game looks like it will work in between the tackles. Shead specifically showed good vision and good read on blocks.
Don’t try to run outside on the Defense! If the Technician or the Beast don’t drop you for a loss, the Acho/Robinson/Hicks will drop you at the LOS. Great pursuit.
by Monahorns on Aug 14, 2025 11:12 PM CDT reply actions
I like how they don’t show which QB threw the pick to Robinson.
by Diego on Aug 14, 2025 11:14 PM CDT reply actions
TKO -
Perhaps Case is getting good reviews elsewhere because they’re looking at a stat line and extrapolating. See Spring game.
It helps to have eyes there. Eyes that actually can make judgements about football.
by Scipio Tex on Aug 14, 2025 11:15 PM CDT reply actions
I have been in wait-and-see mode when it comes to the QB race. I didn’t jump on the Case or Wood bandwagons this summer, and I am not wedded to GG. I just want the best guy to win the job, and I’m willing to give the coaches the benefit of the doubt until game 2 or 3.
Having said all of that, if Ash is (1) a gamer who (2) protects the ball, (3) can make all the throws, and (4) commands the respect of the team….I mean, you gotta think seriously about moving him to the front of the pack when it comes to fall reps.
If it’s true that Ash is the most athletic and excels at extending plays—that’s something that might be in high demand this year—with our OT crop. Plus, it would be great to have an experienced QB when the rest of our offense (assuming current commitments stick) comes into its prime.
Just some thoughts. Still in wait-and-see mode, but I am way more comfortable with the idea of giving Ash the reins than I would have been if you asked me 6 months ago. . .
Finally, is it just me or did Mack look more way more relaxed in that clip than he has during recent press conferences? I wonder what’s going through his mind.
by alphahydro on Aug 14, 2025 11:21 PM CDT reply actions
"I just noticed David Ash looking off Blake Gideon on that TD to Shipley."
I didn’t notice this the first time I watched, so I went back and checked it out. Not sure who he looked off (though it was Gideon who came over to make the pop), but he sure enough didn’t track Shipley right out of the chute. Tracking his primary is something that Gilbert’s had trouble with.
Good eye, Hey Suess.
by TKO on Aug 14, 2025 11:32 PM CDT reply actions
I’m over GG. We’re hearing and seeing the same things as last year—although some say he has improved.
One of the other problems with Gilbert was that, especially on short passing routes, he did not put the ball where the receiver could catch it and make a play and get some YAC. Look at the last pass play with the quick hitch to a wide open Darius White. You’ll see the familiar ball thrown in a steep downward motion at the receiver’s knees forcing him to squat for the catch, making it impossible for the receiver to make a play, and making it easy for the defenders to get a quick stop.
I agree with another poster here or elsewhere—make Ash the starter after this scrimmage. Practices and scrimmages have consequences and that is it. Either GG will respond or quit—either way its’ a win for the team by forcing GG to step up or get out.
by sdhornesq on Aug 14, 2025 11:46 PM CDT reply actions
Man, it’s gotta be hell to put together these clips, knowing they’ll be picked apart like this. Waiting for the Zapruder sequence of the Robinson interception.
by Dagga Roosta on Aug 14, 2025 11:56 PM CDT reply actions
On the TD catch by Terrell, notice that Dominique Jones is there in the endzone as well - 2 TE set with both running routes. Given the down and distance, and pre-snap look, I wonder what the defense expected.
by triplehorn on Aug 14, 2025 11:58 PM CDT reply actions
And incidentally, I’m not at all concerned about who starts the first game. Whoever the coaches like, I’m down with that.
I’m much more interested in what the coaching staff does if the starter plays poorly.
by Dagga Roosta on Aug 14, 2025 11:59 PM CDT reply actions
the coup de gras
Jesus, with all due respect to your skillful writing, if you’re going to use phrases in a foreign language, at least learn how to spell them… the one you’re looking for here is “coup de grace”, which means literally “stroke (or blow) of mercy”, referring to the battlefield practice of putting a badly wounded man out of his misery. Technically, you ought to put the circumflex accent on the a, so it reads “coup de grâce”. It is pronounced “koo duh grahss”, not “koo duh grah” as we hear all too often.
It did occur to me that you actually meant what you wrote - “coup de gras” - knowing full well that it means “stroke of fat”, although I was under the impression that Coach Wylie had eliminated that as a consideration… unless it turns out that Maddog is Mack’s new bodyguard, and if Kirk Bohls approaches too close to Coach Brown, there might well be a coup de gras after all.
by Tex Long on Aug 15, 2025 12:03 AM CDT reply actions
Texlong, point taken. I just fired this one off without proof reading. Plus I’ve got a three day hangover. Sorry for the slip up.
by Jesus Shuttlesworth on Aug 15, 2025 12:08 AM CDT reply actions
A short clip, indeed, but this is exactly what the internets were built for: intense, scrupulous analysis followed by (often exaggerated) assumptions.
I digress.
I was most impressed with the young receivers in this clip. Alas, we didn’t see the passes that they (inevitably) dropped, but Onyegbule had two awesome catches, Shipley’s TD was a nice grab in traffic, and Harris’ snag on the sideline was very nice.
Shead looks good running the ball as well. A little high, as you mentioned, but he has good speed and runs tough.
I’ll leave real QB commentary until after the second scrimmage, but McCoy throws a very ugly ball.
Also, it looks like on GG’s INT to Robinson, Shipley fell on the play. Not sure if he could have been in position to make an impact though.
by Garry Crowbar on Aug 15, 2025 12:16 AM CDT reply actions
I was most impressed with the young receivers in this clip.
Roger that.
What I’ve not been impressed by has been the absence of the words we ’Horns have been dying to hear… “Malcolm Brown”.
However, I for one am extremely well gruntled to read that Joe Bergeron is looking good - I was sort of expecting him to show up strong, from day one. We may have a hellacious crew of running backs, if Shead keeps coming on, Hills shows up, too… and of course CoJo who, along with Bergeron, seems to be a do-everything back who shows up at FB, RB, and H-Back and brings greater confusion to defenses.
by Tex Long on Aug 15, 2025 12:26 AM CDT reply actions
Jesus,
Really, what is keeping Gilbert as the starter. All signs point to him being nothing better than our 2nd team qb. In game situations it seems he may not even be one of our top 3.
by The Apostle on Aug 15, 2025 12:31 AM CDT reply actions
Ash won’t be named the starter week one. We have to keep three scholarships QBs and naming him the starter would cause two immediate transfers. My guess is Ash will get his first start against UCLA.
by Mano Cornuda on Aug 15, 2025 12:57 AM CDT reply actions
“One of the other problems with Gilbert was that, especially on short passing routes, he did not put the ball where the receiver could catch it and make a play and get some YAC. Look at the last pass play with the quick hitch to a wide open Darius White. You’ll see the familiar ball thrown in a steep downward motion at the receiver’s knees forcing him to squat for the catch, making it impossible for the receiver to make a play, and making it easy for the defenders to get a quick stop.”
i noticed the same thing and have been saying this all last year. even when GG completes a pass, half the time its in a bad place for the receiver to make a play after he catches it. they often have to crumple and fall down to control it. on two of GG’s completions, to the left the wr catches a short ball at his knees after GG overhands it straight down with his famous nose dive ball. then on a swing pattern to the right he throws it to the outside shoulder and high making it a difficult catch and causing the wr to turn the wrong way allowing the D to close the gap quicker.
by mileslong on Aug 15, 2025 1:29 AM CDT reply actions
For an analogy, people used to say that TJ Ford made the UT players better shooters because he put the ball in places which allowed them to shoot quicker and be more accurate. GG is the antithesis of this, most of his throws put the receiver in a poor position to make a play after catch…
by mileslong on Aug 15, 2025 1:31 AM CDT reply actions
All you Ash guys do know that Mack is going to pussy out, don’t you? You are setting yourselves up for huge disappointment, a la when you thought Jenny Whiteteeth was going to the prom with you.
by non an unimpartial observer on Aug 15, 2025 5:33 AM CDT reply actions
Until they build a time machine and make Ash and Shipley’s fathers roommates, I don’t see any way the two of them can be successful.
by runthebone on Aug 15, 2025 5:51 AM CDT reply actions
Confirmed — Ash is best, OL is much better (at least running inside) and Shead was impressive. I like seeing him out there. He was a QB and can throw so there has to be a gadget play in there for him somewhere.
by jerryw on Aug 15, 2025 7:16 AM CDT reply actions
…when you thought Jenny Whiteteeth was going to the prom with you.
Jenny DID go to the prom with me, but I dumped her on Brad Prettyboy (she didn’t know he was gay) and I left the prom with Donna Dirtyleg, who turned out to be a whole lot smarter than she acted, was better looking than Jenny, and … well, you know the rest, already.
by Fong the Merciless on Aug 15, 2025 7:54 AM CDT reply actions
Seems like there have been little to no reports coming out on Malcolm Brown so far. In fact, Bergeron seems to be getting more positive mentions than Brown. Somebody not living up to the hype so far?
by Arlandis Rush on Aug 15, 2025 8:16 AM CDT reply actions
Late entry: coup de grass
or, more likely these days, coup de turf.
by lurkerinthedark on Aug 15, 2025 8:19 AM CDT reply actions
Is MB1’s injury keeping him from learning the offense or will delay the amount of time on the field in the 1st few games? Ankle injuries can be slow to heal or easy to re-injure. Sounds like Mack is going to have a head vs. heart decision on the Qb. Do you think last year’s results will force him to listen to Harsin/Applewhite if they make their case for Ash?
by Kilgore Trout on Aug 15, 2025 8:20 AM CDT reply actions
The Apostle, I missed the announcement that he was the starter. When did that go down? ;)
by burntorangejuice on Aug 15, 2025 8:30 AM CDT reply actions
I haven’t seen anyone comment on the politics of what’s in the video. Bellmont is always very careful about the message put out even in a video like this and putting in what will best manage fan expections..
The fact that they open with an Ash play and probably 1/3 of the plays shown had Ash at QB to me says volumes, along with the fact that they showed fewer Gilbert plays and included the interception. I think McCoy was shown more than Gilbert.
It seems to me even Bellmont may be saying that they’ve seen enough with Gilbert and that we’ll instead be seeing a lot of Ash and maybe McCoy.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Aug 15, 2025 8:49 AM CDT reply actions
rats. i can’t watch the vid or any of the vids from mack’s site or the nfl site. googling, i’ve learned that many are in that predicament and that it has something to do with my not allowing sites to write to my hard drive or not retaining history or something.
but it sure sounds like this freshman class is one for the books, and if the 2012 group pans, this two-year group is going to make some history.
i most sincerely hope mack is relying on his o-coordinators to choose o-personnel and run the plays they want to run. if they are making the decisions on deployment i am comfortable with whatever they do. they know the people involved, have recent experience developing kids, and know what is appropriate. also they strike me as people who can figure out what is true instead of figuring out what they wish were true and behaving as though it were. we need people like that.
i agree with our ag friend’s question about malcolm. does the asset have any clue as to how far behind is he going to fall? any scuttlebutt?
by yeh on Aug 15, 2025 8:50 AM CDT reply actions
nunna, that’s a very good point.
since i can’t watch the vid, i didn’t know anything about that. but you are right in that belmont is careful what they present to the public. people on the various boards may understand exactly what is happening and won’t be surprised if there is a gravitation to adding a lot of dash to our offense. (dash = d ash.) the general longhorn public is no doubt totally unaware of the situation, and the vid may be belmont patting down the grass. if not dash starting, at least preparing the public for a lot of him.
by yeh on Aug 15, 2025 8:57 AM CDT reply actions
How many qb’s will leave if Ash wins the starters job this year? Think we might recruit one more?
by papadev on Aug 15, 2025 9:12 AM CDT reply actions
Nunna, I’ve had that same thought even before the scrimmage video if you look at the other photo galleries and videos that have been released thus far. The relatively heavy dose of Ash we’ve been getting makes you wonder (optimistically?) if Bellmont is subtly preparing the fanbase for the his ascendancy.
Of course, we’re probably reading too mach into it, and it may simply be a reflection of the supply of plays that the video editors have to work with, rather than any deliberate and strategic editing by Bellmont.
by AFhorn on Aug 15, 2025 9:43 AM CDT reply actions
For all of the people wondering about Malcolm Brown…..the news last night in SA had a quick segment on him saying he had really turned heads of existing players and that he was even better than they thought he would be coming in (given all of the hype during his recruitment).
Considering the source (WOIA) I take it with a huge grain of salt, but thought I’d pass it on anyways. Of course they did not make any reference to an injury or even say if he was practicing so these “quotes” could be a few weeks old.
by Horncasting on Aug 15, 2025 10:03 AM CDT reply actions
Kilgore -
If MB isn’t back on the field by mid-week it’s going to get very dicey for his playing time in 2011. Regarding Ash/GG anyone who says they know Mack’s mind 100% on this is lying. My best guess is that Harsin and Applewhite make their case that Ash is the overall best option. Mack’s history suggests he wants desperately to start GG for experience alone, and I see the compromise being Gilbert starting Game 1 on the shortest of leashes with Ash playing at least a quarter’s worth of snaps in ‘Ash Packages’. His unique skillset and CFB’s recent institutional memory of Tebow provide great cover to work Ash in without making it seem like a full-blown QB controversy. If GG has a flameout against any of our first three opponents I think he’s done, but the question then becomes whether they make McCoy the ‘starter’ while continually increasing Ash’s minutes or just turning over the keys to Ash entirely.
There’s been a lot of talk about Gilbert’s lack of leadership and a lot of speculation on the team’s attitude towards the QB situation but I don’t claim to know anything concrete there. What I fervently hope is that the mechanism is in place for team leaders to communicate openly and honestly with the coaching staff regarding the team’s feelings on that (or any other) situation.
by nobis60 on Aug 15, 2025 10:05 AM CDT reply actions
The following from nobis is exactly what I think is going to happen. Except nobis said it much better than I could have.
Regarding Ash/GG anyone who says they know Mack’s mind 100% on this is lying. My best guess is that Harsin and Applewhite make their case that Ash is the overall best option. Mack’s history suggests he wants desperately to start GG for experience alone, and I see the compromise being Gilbert starting Game 1 on the shortest of leashes with Ash playing at least a quarter’s worth of snaps in ‘Ash Packages’. His unique skillset and CFB’s recent institutional memory of Tebow provide great cover to work Ash in without making it seem like a full-blown QB controversy. If GG has a flameout against any of our first three opponents I think he’s done, but the question then becomes whether they make McCoy the ‘starter’ while continually increasing Ash’s minutes or just turning over the keys to Ash entirely.
by Jesus Shuttlesworth on Aug 15, 2025 10:17 AM CDT reply actions
The hangover flight home from Vegas is the worst.
I really wish Gilbert were playing better. I’d rather have a problem btw 2 qbs that are playing well. But opportunity waits for no one, and if Ash seizes it, so be it. The fact that he is getting any time with the 1s, says a lot.
by ultralight on Aug 15, 2025 10:28 AM CDT reply actions
Nunna, I was going to post the very same thing after a long day of doing other things with the scrimmage video at the back of my mind. I come back to find you and others thinking along the same lines.
Why on earth would they show Case and Garrett both throwing interceptions bracketed by Ash throwing darts? It seems as if Belmont is prepping the faithful for the ascension of the true freshman.
by TKO on Aug 15, 2025 10:38 AM CDT reply actions
“Except nobis said it much better than I could have.”
That’s the kind of humble response that gains my complete respect.
by It's me again on Aug 15, 2025 10:40 AM CDT reply actions
yes, nobis. what you are saying is very much along the lines of what i’ve been thinking and very similar to what kafka has been saying as well. really smart approach to this thing. exactly what greg would not have done.
by yeh on Aug 15, 2025 10:41 AM CDT reply actions
“my complete respect”
oh, absolutely, but this is nothing new.
by yeh on Aug 15, 2025 10:41 AM CDT reply actions
i can’t watch the vid or any of the vids from mack’s site…
Same here - on my Win boxes, anyway. Works fine on my Linux boxes. All other vids are fine, just the “CBS” stuff, looks like. It probably is some issue revolving around system security. I don’t believe I’ve found any vids - whether recorded or streamed - that don’t play, other than site which are clearly marked as being in bed with CBS.
Since LHN is ESPiN, I’m going to assume for now that it’ll work fine with whatever content hits the ’net (everything else from ESPiN runs okay). Would be nice if CBS got their heads out of their asses…
by Tex Long on Aug 15, 2025 10:46 AM CDT reply actions
I think Brown’s issues would not be related to carrying the ball. Most freshmen Rb’s can step in and learn the plays. It’s the plays where he doesn’t carry the ball and has to pickup blitzers and run routes where he will be behind.
by KilgoreTrout on Aug 15, 2025 10:57 AM CDT reply actions
People still use Linux? That may be the biggest revelation of this thread. You’re one confounding individual Tex Long. Don’t ever change.
The hangover flight home from Vegas is the worst.
That’s why I like to throw in a layover in Lubbock to really twist the PADS screws. Dark places, imo.
Despite the positive developments with Ash, I have no doubt Mack will start Gilbert against Rice unless he’s injured.
by Vasherized on Aug 15, 2025 11:03 AM CDT reply actions
I looked for the aforementioned video on texassports.com and couldn’t find it Monday AM. Is this Bellmont politics at work? Was it taken down intentionally? They don’t want a QB controversy?
Still, from reading all of your comments and analysis, I feel like I watched the video.
by Calhorn on Aug 15, 2025 11:04 AM CDT reply actions
“It’s the plays where he doesn’t carry the ball and has to pickup blitzers and run routes where he will be behind.”
In that case, I think Gilbert should start until Brown learns to pick up blitzers. Just kidding. Kind of.
by Horncasting on Aug 15, 2025 11:10 AM CDT reply actions
People still use Linux?
It’s worse than that - some people even still use Unix… I reckon you can still call BSD boxes “Unix”, can’t you? Or will Bell Labs sue you?
Point of fact, last week, tired of listening to Miz Longtex bitch about how slow her *(@#$%& netbook is, I burned down Windows 7 and installed Ubuntu Linux 10.04 on it. Fantastic difference in speed, no difference in usability - mainly browsing and email - well, and card games, too. And Office Suite stuff… Miz Longtex is no dummy, either - her Bachelorette degree from Texas is in Math… and her first job was writing drivers in assembly language for GE’s Real Time Process Control systems.
by Tex Long on Aug 15, 2025 11:18 AM CDT reply actions
Here’s a quote from BON in a thread parallel to this one:
…it looks like super frosh Quandre Diggs has taken over one of the starting cornerback jobs. It’s increasingly more astounding every day that it took so long to offer the kid.
From all the Good Words written about Quan the Younger over the last six months, I am hardly surprised at his advancement.
Howsomever… I am troubled - again - at the thought of our nearly passing on this kid. I mean, seriously? Blood lines, great film, great attitude… what the hell did someone think he saw to make this someone you don’t recruit? More to the point, though: WHO was that someone? Is this another instance of Mack nixing his assistants’ picks, or did The Moustache want to let him slide?
by Tex Long on Aug 15, 2025 11:25 AM CDT reply actions
Another aspect of starting Gilbert and working Ash in is that shouldn’t the coaches want to evaluate Ash in a college game before going all in? Ash has done well in Spring and Summer practices, but he’s still a freshman who has never faced another college team.
Instead of giving up totally on Gilbert and then starting Ash with the possibility that we’ll find out he’s not ready for prime time thus harming both QBs, I think it’s better to make real game performance the final test for whoever is to start at QB.
I’m fine with starting Gilbert at Rice as long as the apparent number 2 is getting a lot of reps in practice. Ash should feel great getting packages to run as a freshman, that’s quite an achievement which would be apparent to the team.
After a real game evaluation, let the chips fall where they may.
by RomaVicta on Aug 15, 2025 11:36 AM CDT reply actions
Rice, BYU, @ UCLA, and @ ISU give us 4 good warmup games to figure out who the starter is. As long as it is truely an open competition, I think we’ll be OK. Ideally, if Ash will take over, he’d start by ISU so that OU isn’t his first start.
by ut-06 on Aug 15, 2025 11:53 AM CDT reply actions
LOLOLOLOLOL
“Jenny DID go to the prom with me, but I dumped her on Brad Prettyboy (she didn’t know he was gay) and I left the prom with Donna Dirtyleg, who turned out to be a whole lot smarter than she acted, was better looking than Jenny, and … well, you know the rest, already.”
by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2025 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
Very good point, Roma. It would be unnecessarily risky to go all-in on Ash before making sure he’s not a workout warrior that crumbles under the hot lights. Plus, it unnecessarily puts too much pressure on Ash to be great from the get-go. Better to test the waters on him in some live-game scenarios and bring him along somewhat slowly, and then use that information to adjust accordingly. It’s almost like this is not our coaching staff’s first rodeo.
by gilberto verde on Aug 15, 2025 12:07 PM CDT reply actions
agree roma and gilberto. i’m betting after the spring drills and good drillwork so far in august drills that the staff wanted to see good response to the scrimmages. one down. if he continues to move up in the remaining time and two scrimmages, then the next they are going to want to see is good response to the game itself in package play front of paying fans. if that goes really well, too, then i’m sure they’ll just keep adding to his workload as his development calls for.
ash is reminding me of colt early on. i’m sure most longhorn fans are seeing that.
by yeh on Aug 15, 2025 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
After a real game evaluation, let the chips fall where they may.
Is Rice a “real game”, or should we wait until we lose one or more to BYU, UCLA, and OSU because of Gilbert blunders to start working Ash in?
You may number me amongst those who WANT to see Gilbert achieve. You may also number me amongst those who are extremely skeptical that he will.
Right this instant, I’d say, fine, let Gilbert start Rice, and play the “Ash package” situationally and/or for a whole series at a time. If we kick the living shit out of the Owls, let Case and Connor mop-up (but with real plays, none of this gentlemanly run-out-the-clock bullshit). If we struggle, give more playing time to whichever of the two is delivering.
Then assess.
It seems pretty certain that Ash is the better runner. It also sounds like he is either a better passer or at least close to it (while Case & Connor are not so accurate, and Case has trouble with the long ball). The main difference seems to be that Ash didn’t spend the last year gaining valuable experience losing games. Look at any of the films from spring or fall, and compare the body language of all the QBs, and look at how the plays are carried out. Man, from what I see, there isn’t much question. If I have to choose between a guy who hasn’t shown up very well in actual games (and not all that well in practice, either) and has two years to play, and a guy who hasn’t played at all but looks all-world in practice and has four years to play… seems like a pretty clear choice.
Put it this way: if Ash and Gilbert are choosing up sides to play a game… who do you want to be chosen by?
by Tex Long on Aug 15, 2025 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
agree with tex long for the most part. i certainly would like to see garrett play well, but it certainly looks like he is a ways from getting to that point.
if david ash is the man even for this year, i certainly hope we don’t spend half the year getting to that realization. i hope we push this thing wherever it wants to go as long as we don’t overcook it. but that’s the coaches’ job, not mine. my job is to pontificate and preen, and i’ll stick to that.
by yeh on Aug 15, 2025 12:38 PM CDT reply actions
i got a good deal on ‘certainly’. three for the price of one.
by yeh on Aug 15, 2025 12:39 PM CDT reply actions
If you’re returning to Austin from Las Vegas, take the last SW flight home. It’s a non-stop, and you get time to sleep in/sleep it off, have a nice lunch, and place some bets for next week before you leave.
Having never seen him play, other than a few snaps is the Spring Game, I am not ready to annoint Ash. Throwing against our young DBs is a lot different than throwing against someone you don’t practice against every day. One thing appears likely though, and that is that Gilbert is miserable. He just strikes me as a guy who is soldiering on through something he isn’t enjoying to please his father. I hope he rallies and lights it up, but the probability of that seems very, very low.
by JUICE on Aug 15, 2025 1:39 PM CDT reply actions
Juice, everyone is throwing against the same DB’s so if he’s doing better than the other 3, then that’s as good a mesuring stick as any. Gilbert excluded, Ash has substantially the same amount of real game appearance as McCoy or Wood—-none. The meager and meaningless time Chase got against Rice last year really makes no difference here. Also, there is no “yeah but he knows the system better” variable either, since Ash enrolled early so that’s dead even for all 4 of them.
This is totally in Mack’s hands and will give is a very early sign on whether he has really changed. I’m in the cautiously optimistic group as of right now.
by Jake Lonergan on Aug 15, 2025 2:04 PM CDT reply actions
If all the QBs are in the same class which one do you start? The only advantage GG has is he has proven he can lead us to 5-7. I wish GG would show vast improvement & take the reins but I don’t think he has that ability. I actually feel sorry for the kid.
by ole tnhorn on Aug 15, 2025 3:04 PM CDT reply actions
am i the only one that can’t find the video?
So far, yep. Are you finding nothing at all, or just can’t find the scrimmage vid?
I think it’s at hxxp://www.texassports.com/allaccess/?media=242191 although I’m not sure - at a place with a Win box that chokes on the CBS vids. You know what to do with hxxp, yeah?
by Tex Long on Aug 15, 2025 3:07 PM CDT reply actions
Mack cannot afford to risk the chance that yet another freshman phenom QB gets his confidence destroyed early on (read: Gilbert), so I expect Gilbert and not Ash will get the nod against Fried Rice. This is wise. Mack will bring Ash along slowly.
However, given Mack’s stubborn refusal to accept the truth despite all leading indicators, and his blind loyalty (to a fault) to upperclassmen and those with game experience, he won’t start Ash until UCLA at the earliest (assuming Ash continues to outperform Gilbert). Let’s not forget that it took a 5-7 losing season for Mack to make changes. His stubbornness reminds me of your typical investor who sells his stock after a 20% market decline.
Hope springs eternal, though, and here’s to Mack actually making the correct decisions early on in the season (and not after a gut-wrenching loss to OU) based upon the sound advice of his most trusted advisers. This is the reason why he hired Harsin, after all. Let’s just hope that it doesn’t take a painful loss and a crowd full of booing fans to remind him of this. In management-speak, there’s nothing worse than giving your direct report all the responsibility without any of the authority to make the right decisions.
by RusskyHorn on Aug 16, 2025 2:25 AM CDT reply actions
Mack cannot afford sending the wrong signal again to his team. If it’s clear to players that GG is not the best performer leading into Game 1, Mack will again undermine both team chemistry and the development of a culture of accountability that was absent last year.
by Abe Lemons on Aug 16, 2025 7:42 AM CDT reply actions
“Mack cannot afford to risk the chance that yet another freshman phenom QB gets his confidence destroyed early on (read: Gilbert)”
I hate this line of thinking. To me it is so flawed. To me, the two positions that have to be the most mentally tough are QB and DB. Both are gonna screw up. Both have to be able to come back the very next play and rebound. I understand bringing a kid along slowly to ensure he learns the playbook, acclimates to the speed of the game etc. However, the whole coddling to avoid breaking his psyche is ridiculous. You should not be recruiting weak minded/ untested QBs.
Just look at the abysmal rookie year of Peyton Manning. One of the worst in history. It did not negatively impact him one bit. IMO, you want to test your QBs mentality or else you will never know what you have.
by Buddyhorn on Aug 16, 2025 9:14 AM CDT reply actions
Buddyhorn, correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Manning hold the NFL records for passing yards and touchdowns? He does hold it for interceptions as well, but his 1998 season should also be pretty close to Bradford’s records for pass attempts and completions, too. At any rate, I would hardly call that one of the worst in history, even if he threw a lot of picks. They let the guy stand in there and wing it without looking over his shoulder.
As for Gilbert, I think the more apt comparison might be Harrington or Carr. The guy was thrown into not the deep end of the pool, but rather an ocean trench, and while it’s possible he doesn’t end up recovering from it, it’d also be hard to blame him if he didn’t.
by burntorangehorn on Aug 16, 2025 3:48 PM CDT reply actions
Living here in Austin I saw a lot of GG at LT, and I am a GG guy, but everything I have seen and heard has lead me to believe his time as starting QB at Texas is coming to a close. I think most Texas fans really want GG to be successful, but it is not looking like it is meant to be.
by ATXHorn on Aug 17, 2025 9:42 PM CDT reply actions

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