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Late thoughts on the Texas Longhorns Spring Game

I was reviewing the spring game for an article I'm working on and started having enough impressions from the game that I decided to share my thoughts with you people on the chance that anyone is still interested in going over that game and talking player development.

After the jump we'll get down to a unit by unit organization of otherwise scattered thoughts:

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Defensive Line: What I was primarily interested in here was the play of our defensive tackles, it'd be a great thing if one of these guys emerged as a dominant defensive playmaker. In fact, it's hard to point to many legendary defenses that didn't have a transcendent talent at defensive tackle. Some of the better defenses in Big 12 history: 2009 Texas, 2009 Nebraska, 2000 OU, 2002 OU, 2005 Texas, 2001 Texas, featured the likes of Tommie Harris, Lamarr Houston, Frank Okam/Rodrique Wright, Ndamukong Suh/Jared Crick, etc. 2000 OU and 2001 UT are the main outliers and they had dominant back 7's.

It's more than possible that our secondary could imitate those latter 2 and elevate the entire defense to Pantheon status but it's a lot easier if you have a defensive tackle who can't be blocked. It's extremely hard to scheme around someone who lines up within 5 yards of the ball every snap.

Alex Okafor, Jackson Jeffcoat: I think we have a pretty good idea of what we have here. Heading into the offseason, Jeffcoat needed to some work on his perimeter run defense because teams pounded his side, particularly if he was aligned to the boundary. I think he's getting there, and he ended up piling up TFL stats last year as he improved. Teams already would prefer not to run against whichever side has Okafor or Vaccaro. Cedric Reed always impresses when he's on the field, I expect him to be a multi-year starter after Oak is gone.

Brandon Moore: This is the best look I've had of Moore and what I saw was a fatter Kheeston Randall. He's immovable in the run game, until he gets tired, and he probably wears himself out with his inefficient bull-rush on passing plays. At 6'7" I'd like to see him work on getting his hands up if his initial move is stalled. Ideally we use him as a situational run-stuffer and see what a full year of conditioning and teaching does for his stamina and skill-set. Useful player but I'll be surprised if he's a dominant force in 2012.

Chris Whaley: Polar opposite to Moore, his quickness is immediately translating to pass-rush but he can be turned or down-blocked consistently in run defense. He's still basically an athlete playing tackle as his diagnosis and anchoring aren't there yet. That said, defensive tackles who are natural pass-rushers are like Mandarin-speakers in the business world. You can't have enough of them.

Again, I expect a lot of situational value but I don't think he's ready to be an every-down dominator like we're accustomed to having.

Ashton Dorsey: He's become a complete player. He gets solid push in the pass-rush, and has the speed and strength to handle either the stunting or the straight up gap-control that Diaz asks of these guys. I'm not sure if he'll be dominant but he won't be a weakness and will probably rank amongst the league's best.

Tank Jackson: I think it's most likely that if we replace the line of Roy Miller, Houston, and Randall with another dominant player in 2012 it'll be with the Tank. Tackles with short statures, quick hands, fast starts and powerful bases tend to have a lot of success, although you don't often see coaches describe their ideal DT as being sub 6'2".

What I like about Jackson is that he gets low and vertical against the run or pass and he gets there in a hurry. He's very difficult to deal with on stunts and I'm expecting a ton of TFL's where he kills a reach block on a zone run and takes the legs out from a stranded runner. Last year he could be turned on running plays where he would dive in unproductive directions but I think experience will result in more consistent positioning in run defense.

Linebackers: I'm still watching Steve Edmond to ascertain his ability to make drops or wall off the middle in pass-coverage but he looked capable enough picking up RB's out of the backfield.

Our schematic responses to Trips receivers and his blitzing prowess is going to absolve him from having to take on too much in terms of coverage responsibilities but he still needs to backpedal and show awareness and flexibility in space beyond what you would expect from a 260 pounder. His blitzing ability is particularly exciting and continues to make me wonder if he might be better served playing as a Buck.

He might not be an every-down player for us this year but he has tremendous value as a blitzer and run-stopper. He still has a ways to go in the latter department but his commitment to study means that he'll probably get it sooner than later.

Jordan Hicks needs to be at Keenan Robinson and Emmanuel Acho's level immediately, but I still haven't seen anything to suggest that he won't be able to get there. Cobbs was born to play in this conference and may become a go-to guy for getting pressure and a problem for young defensive backs trying to get on the field in our nickel/dime packages. He has some of the same pass-rusher/coverage skills that make Corey Nelson special.

Amongst the back-ups I'm currently highest on Tevin Jackson but we could get into a little trouble if we start having injuries at linebacker. Unless Dorsey, Jeffcoat, and Tank make a leap in run defense, in which case we could be like 2009 Nebraska and just play 6 DB's on 1st down.

Defensive Backs: We already know we've got something great with Carrington Byndom, Quandre Diggs, Adrian Phillips, and Kenny Vaccaro but there's a lot of young talent on this squad that may prevent us from suffering much when those guys start leaving.

Most of them had a few rough patches but I was particularly impressed with Leroy Scott. He was absolutely fearless in run support and filled the alley against Bergeron a few times with mixed results. Scott also ran under and robbed one of Case's poorer throws for the pick in the end zone.

Josh Turner also stole Case's candy when he demolished MikeD on the attempted fade route in the end zone. Cut off his path and then high pointed the ball while MikeD reached vainly like a little brother trying to recover the remote control and restore the disney channel to the screen.

I'm not sure who the 1st safety off the bench is when we go nickel but I don't think Thompson has nailed down that role just yet. Ideally we would field an athlete at Free Safety who could turn their hips and run with a #2 receiver downfield so we could play Phillips permanently in Gideon's spot. If someone can't do that, we'll just need to pick the headiest guy we have and slide Phillips over to Field Safety when Vaccaro drops down to play nickel.

We actually will miss Gideon if we can't find someone who can make good, quick decisions in coverage. For all his faults, teams haven't really hurt us down the middle in the last several years because Gideon frequently discouraged it through good positioning and route diagnosis. Likely we'll see a big upgrade from #21 but one of the young guys will have to overcome the factors that kept Blake out there for 4 years.

Offensive Line: I didn't actually pay much attention here. Our 3rd team did a great job of pushing around the walk-ons and our 1st team feasted on Whaley-Moore-Kriegel inside. We would have learned a lot more if Diaz had turned up the juice but I'm sure they aren't going to do that in public anytime soon. Hopefully if they had it wouldn't have looked like last years' RRS.

WR/TE: Didn't pay much attention here either. Jaxon Shipley looks like a difference maker on punt returns, hopefully we can mix up the return duties between him and Diggs. You'd rather avoid injury to #8 but special teams scores could be the difference once or twice next year.

Between Goodwin and MikeD we have a couple of guys that can get deep if teams try and play man-free coverage but I'm not sure if we have anyone other than Shipley that OU or OSU would be worried about downfield. There's a place for a big guy like Cayleb Jones whenever he's ready for it.

RB: Joe Bergeron doesn't look like he's very fun to defense. If we win the edges in the running game there's going to be several instances of trucked-safeties who are trying to fill against #24. Malcolm Brown looks like he's recovered his quickness from mid-season and between the two of them we're really going to bruise and wear down opposing squads across their fronts.

For all of the fandom that Bergeron is developing on the interwebs, MBI has exceptional ability to find room and make cuts inside that result in less sexy, but extremely effective plays for our offense. I'm not willing to elevate one over the other yet, I'd give them 12 carries apiece early and see what happens.

QB: We didn't get to see too much from "Dash" but his completions to Shipley were promising. I think he tends to miss throws he can make when rolling out under pressure but that hopefully improves with time. His completion of a few fade routes should have people excited about his ability to at least get a C in QB 201 this fall.

Case McCoy actually made 2 of the best throws of the game, he also made 2 or 3 of the worst. He looked off safeties on both of his deep post completions like a savvy veteran and then threw a pick into double coverage, another into good single coverage, and a shoulda-been pick 6 to Byndom.

Some of these picks remind me of Romo, where he turns and fires away expecting to see one thing and finding something else instead. Except Romo is more accurate, has a much stronger arm, and has several other attributes Case lacks. In our current offense, there's not any need for our QB to make a lot of reads across the entire field. One-man reads are fine, if it's not there, punt and let defense do the heavy lifting or take off and run.

Despite the simplicity I've just described, I'd still rather see Brewer take a redshirt year and develop his understanding of the offense, our run-game audibles, etc. When we run the ball effectively, the QB will be able to make pre-snap reads and adjustments that lead to easy post-snap reads and throws. Be smart before the snap, Case.

Brewer's already pretty practiced and very effective making most of the throws we need to be successful with this offense, if he can get a year to adjust to the added complexity of the college game then he'll grow to be a very trustworthy back-up at worst.

David Ash is basically what Ryan Tannehilll will be his first few years in the NFL. All of the hypothetical potential is there, it just hasn't been fashioned yet and we aren't sure if the mental skill-set is absent or just still developing. I think he'll continue to improve in accuracy throwing our favored routes, whether he ever masters the game is another question. The ability to make quick reads on the field is a skill that should be valued above arm-strength but coaches always assume it can be taught despite the rising complexity of NFL passing games and growing pressure on the QB to be a mental. (You'll notice that many of the offenses in which the QB looks like a genius are noted for their simplicity).

We should have a better idea after this season of whether or not he'll ever get where we would like our QB to be but we won't see his true potential until 2013. I'd like to have a competitive and confident redshirt freshman Connor Brewer up our sleeve in the event that we don't like what we see.

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Very nice, NR.
Now, how long is it until kickoff again???

by Stiendam Hall on Apr 23, 2025 1:00 PM CDT reply actions  

What an enjoyable read.

A few thoughts.

Our schematic responses to Trips receivers …

Do you basically mean we’ll be going to Nickel in such situations? Seems reasonable to me.

them we’re really going to bruise and wear down opposing squads across their fronts.

I think it was against Tech last year when their defense decided in the second half that they were no longer interested in tackling Longhorn running backs. Awesome to watch. Two bruisers at running back with Johnathon Gray has worked splendidly for me in NCAA 12; I’m sure Harsin is giddy at the thought.

For all his faults, teams haven’t really hurt us down the middle in the last several years because Gideon frequently discouraged it through good positioning and route diagnosis.

Agreed. Now it will be nice to have someone with closing speed to take away the middle and also not get burned against good teams on the sidelines.

Another Gideon anecdote courtesy of my brother. Off camera, and at the OK State game last year (I believe). Just before the snap, Christian Scott is looking around the field, confused, trying to figure where he’s supposed to be/what he’s supposed to do. Gideon runs in from deep safety, grabs him by his jersay, drags him to a spot on the field, and points to the receiver he’s supposed to be covering, then gets back to his own position. It would be truly nice if all of our players knew where to play every play, but I’ll bet things like this are one of the big reasons he’s played so many games.

WVU slept dey couch.
@pleaseplaykindl

by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 23, 2025 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Trips

if that includes a slot receiver and an outside receiver then we’re generally gonna play nickel against it. LS thinks we like to use nickel if we’re trying to take away a team’s quick game, get a defensive back on the inside receivers instead of a linebacker.

If the innermost receiver in trips is quick he may be able to take advantage if he’s matched up on Edmond but if a team has 4 WR’s on the field Edmond probably becomes a DL/LB hybrid who doesn’t play as much coverage.

I think we’ll play plenty of dime since Phillips, Vaccaro, and Cobbs can all play close to the LOS, blitz, or drop into coverage and our young DB’s are so baller.

Nice Gideon story. Most of what he did well was off-camera. Either in the locker-room, in directing his teammates, or in deep-coverage positioning. Reviewing some 2011 games he’s held up better than I originally thought. Especially when I compare him to the other safeties in this league.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great point on dime coverage.

It’s going to be fun watching this group of DBs make their mark.

Regarding EDSP’s post below, it is a little disconcerting that our defense may be peaking early (or offense peaking late or whatever). I think we finished last season as a solid top-ten defense unit (stats adjusted, etc.) but far from that offensively. I recall prior to the 2008 season we were pretty giddy on Muschamp, Colt was coming off a poor quarterbacking season (although Texas would later go on to redefine “poor” at QB), and everyone was looking towards 2009 as the year to make a run. Now, 2008 happened (arguably) because of the preternatural play of Colt and his receivers, but isn’t it nice just to dream for a minute that similar surprises await in the running game?

WVU slept dey couch.
@pleaseplaykindl

by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 23, 2025 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been wondering

about that a lot recently myself. There’s a chance that our running game is much better than we realize, since it was wreaked with injuries right when it was peaking. I think our OL will need to be better than we realize for a similar situation to play out though.

I think in 2008 we just didn’t realize A). how good healthy orakpo and roy miller were B). that Kindle and melton were NFL ends waiting to happen C). That Colt-ship/Quan had developed a chemistry and mastery of Davis’ passing schemes to a level not known before at the college level.

There were clues in 2007 to all those truths but no one really picked up on them (that I read) until they manifested in the cotton bowl.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

injury or opponent

not to be a downer, but much of the vaunted running game was vs the likes of UCLA (96), Kansas (117),and Texas Tech (#120, by the way only 120 teams play FBS football). Collectively, known as Larry, Moe, and Curly of defense. My hope is the o-line really grows up. If Texas can run effectively against the better D-lines, we can finish higher than 10th in red-zone TD percentage

by codaxx on Apr 23, 2025 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

We also ran for

231 on OSU, 201 on Baylor, and 166 on BYU, injuries and inexperience notwithstanding.
Anways, against the teams you listed we did exactly what you would expect to see an elite running team do. Pile up huge chunks of yardage.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

baylor?

Again absolute garbage defense. OSU was simply bad vs the run. I am just saying we picked on bad d-lines. It is what you are supposed to do, but the only solid team we ran reasonably well was KSU.

by codaxx on Apr 23, 2025 5:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

good news

Is 2 of the better rush defenses from last year will be replaced.

by codaxx on Apr 23, 2025 5:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Baylor

We did that without healthy backs. OU couldn’t do it and BU had to worry about Landry going deep.
We were beat up for several of our opportunities to run on solid rush defenses. Anyways, we were very solid there last year and if you were looking for a spot where UT might jump up and be much better than guessed than you would start with the run game.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

my pt

Is before we call it a strength, Texas needs to be able to run on the Mizzu’s on the world. It is the difference between Holiday and BCS. I just think many people are using injuries as the cause the running game faltered down the stretch. Just as much about opposing d-lines penetration. I think hopkins to guard can make a huge difference, but I am not expect us to be Wisconsin quite yet

by codaxx on Apr 23, 2025 5:48 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mizzou

Fozzy’s injury was critical in that game. He went for 7, 4, and 2 before getting injured. On the play he got injured he was going to pick up at least 4. They were going to be able to run on Mizzou until he got hurt.

by llogg on Apr 23, 2025 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

The whole point of the conversation

was about potential. Of course the 2012 offense hasn’t run over Mizzou yet, most likely they won’t. And the specific analogy was to 2008 Texas, which hadn’t quite eviscerated everyone the year before in the passing game despite featuring many of the same players.

If you can’t see the correlation between an injured Henry, Shipley, Brown, Bergeron, and Fozzy and the stalling of our running game I don’t know what to tell you.
Why do you think there was penetration by opposing DL’s? Are you suggesting that it was Snow’s presence at Left Guard?

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

snow

Was our best interior lineman. I just think Hopkins will be our best interior lineman this year. Mason needs to get consistent. Dom should benefit from a year of the gym. I saw little push from the o-line over the last 3 games (mizzu, tamu, and cal). I get your analogy. I am not sure I concur. Colt was a special playmaker. He succeeded despite his line. He was a special player. Not sure we have anyone ready to get to that level yet, though who saw Colt coming, I am hoping they do not need to be “colt” and I agree MB’s vision could be a huge difference. In the end I think the difference between 8 wins and 10 wins is growth of the o-line, including TE. Its cool if you feel differently.

by codaxx on Apr 23, 2025 9:22 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Mizzou, A&M;, Cal

3 of the better DL’s we faced, unfortunate that we weren’t healthier.
I don’t think we have any major disagreements, but if you want to make accurate predictions about upcoming seasons you have to make some major projections.

If we relied on what we saw on the field in 2007 very few (again, I think it was no one) would have projected either the 2008 Texas passing game or pass-rush to be so dominant.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good read

And thanks to pleaseplaykindle for posting that Gideon story. I was just telling John Kocurek the other day that I’m tired of the Gideon bashing as I’ve still been seeing it lately. He played for Texas and too many treat him like he’s an aggie.

Anyways, great write-up. Really informative and helps me learn what to watch for next year.

by Sasha is a Longhorn Dog on Apr 23, 2025 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

His legacy

is probably set around here as a below-average/weak-link player but I was at the KSU game where he received his Senior ovation heading onto the field and I think amongst the more common fans he’ll be remembered a little better.

My impression of him as improved with seeing more Big 12 games from last year.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surprisingly, I've found that fans have been very charitable about forgiving that 2008 Tech game (that never happened).

Which is, of course, very reasonable. I think he had a ceiling, hit it quickly (like sometime around his sophomore year), and played at that level throughout his career. Through no fault of his own he started every game he played, and no less than three DC’s agreed on this.

It’s impossible to quantify how much he helped those around him play better, so I’ll just take the coaches’ word on this. Honestly, it will be a little strange to not see him out there every snap.

WVU slept dey couch.
@pleaseplaykindl

by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 23, 2025 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for keeping the fire going, Nickel Rover

Or re-starting it. Feels like football weather the last few days . . .

I see our defense and offense as being in rather different places.

Our defense loses four key starters, three of them approximating stud status, the fourth being Gideon (much discussed above). Despite that, and with just two seniors on the entire two-deep, we’ll be better on defense, because (1) we have tons of playing experience; (2) we have terrific depth, decently proven, everywhere except linebacker; (3) we’ll know Manny’s yesses and no’s a whole lot better; (4) in the ends and Vaccaro and Byndom, we have some big-time talents; and (5) our offense will be better than sucky awful which will take pressure off the defense.

On the offensive side, we basically lose one starter (David Snow) and a few part-timers (Cody, Fozzy, Blaine Irby). We’ll be better because we can’t be worse. Because we started four freshmen last year, and at least they won’t be freshmen anymore. Bcause we get a legitimate left tackle and an additional running back and, hopefully, at least one wide receiver who can contribute. And a real tight end coming off a redshirt season. Lots of needed parts and pieces and some key returnees.

Problem, from a big picture view, is that the defense is there. Now. The offense is a year away; we lose nobody of consequence on offense after 2012, unless maybe it’s Goodwin or Grant. And I have no idea what our kickers will be like, but that’s an area where a freshman or walk-on can step up.

I agree with your lead-in notion . . . player performance is the key. And with around 50 of the 83 scholarship players in their first or second year in the program, the upside potential is extremely promising.

by edsp on Apr 23, 2025 2:05 PM CDT reply actions  

It's almost a little scary

you can’t help but worry that the offense will get it together and then the defense will be down. Not that this is at all likely, but I’m not sure if we’ll match up some of these peak defensive seasons with the offense that’s 2-3 years down the road.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's actually exactly what I'm expecting when I look at the roster and the development curve

And trust me when I say the thought does nothing but piss you off. Give me the 2007 OU defense (#19 scoring D contrasted with 2008 being the #58 scoring D) with the 2008 OU offense, and I’ve got an undefeated national championship team. I think UT fans are going to look back at the 2012 Longhorn D and the 2013 Longhorn O similarly.

by NateHeupel on Apr 23, 2025 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah possibly

but we only have 2 senior defensive starters, so it would take a mass exodus by our juniors to bring us down. Jeffcoat, Byndom, Phillips, Hicks, Dorsey are all juniors that we would worry about leaving. I don’t think it’s really likely that we would lose more than 1.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The scary thing to me is that this may already be happening.

Top 10 defense last year, and an offense ranked somewhere in the 50s? Yikes.

The trajectory for our offense looks good, and our defense is already where it needs to be, but if we don’t start seeing something special, or at least adequete, on the offensive side of the ball (and like you, I’m very excited about the running game) we’re going to be wondering what could have been.

WVU slept dey couch.
@pleaseplaykindl

by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 23, 2025 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

The 2008 OU defense didn't lose that much from the 2007 OU defense, either.

Only 2 full-time starters, maybe 3. But it was really only one guy we lost that hurt us: Curtis Lofton.

Texas is going to lose a guy who is not only the best defensive player on the team, he might be the best defensive player in the entire conference.

by NateHeupel on Apr 24, 2025 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

based on the responses of your brethren at CC Machine

I’m not sure if you’re referring to Vaccaro or Okafor, but point taken.
Still, we’ll still have an elite secondary (unless Byndom declares and then even still perhaps) and could be back to having a dominant DT tandem which can cover a lot of weaknesses.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 24, 2025 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

WHY DID YOU PUT A PICTURE OF BREWER AT THE TOP!?!?

IS HE GOING TO TAKE ASH’S JOB? ARE YOU TEAM BREWER? QUARTERBACK CONTROVESY?!?!??111

Gangsta rap made me do it.

by TexasTopHand on Apr 23, 2025 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

It was one of the first

that came up in the SB photo vault…as far as you know.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gideon LOL

You definitely know more than I do but I distinctly remember several plays (Baylor immediately comes to mind) where an opposing receiving ran right by Gideon for a long pass/TD.

by knoxtnhorn on Apr 23, 2025 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

What a timely comment.

Just read a smartfootball post about how Baylor uses the inverted veer playaction to bring safeties in for this exact purpose. They did it to everyone all season, and Gideon was no exception.

Watch the last video here.

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by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 23, 2025 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haven't read the smartfootball post

but that’s exactly what I’m talking about. I picked on Gideon when it happened, then I watched a bunch of Baylor games and saw them do it to every other team they played as well.

Gideon didn’t have great hips, but no safety could peek into the backfield with run responsibilities and then keep up with Kendall Wright on a vertical post like that.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

just read that post

great stuff. I commented on this in my Klein vs. Griffin post but RGIII completed maybe a dozen td passes last year on play-action throws to open receivers. Best play-action spread team I’ve ever seen.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

It really is a great post.

RGIII was just nuts last year. Highest yard per attempt of any college quarterback in the last five seasons. If you’re going to pick a game to dog Gideon, last year’s Baylor game is not it.

WVU slept dey couch.
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by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 23, 2025 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go read the post if you haven't yet.

Brown points out that the inverted veer that Baylor runs with the pulling guard makes it easy to run the corresponding play-action pass off of it. Still recapping here, but the spread teams struggled with being able to get those convincing play-action looks and now it’s possible. Something to keep in mind for those spread haters out there.

Still GoBR.


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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Apr 23, 2025 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice wrinkle

reminds me of the concepts used in the old Del T passing plays. Just borrowing old concepts and putting them in new formations. These kids havent seen it, but I will bet their dads could recognize it.. (fvck.. I sound old)

by codaxx on Apr 24, 2025 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

In my examination of the 2005 offense

I’ll note that VY ran a pretty nasty PA game from the shotgun, but not like what Baylor had last year. Partly because Baylor had better receivers, partly because of the Power-Read which Vince didn’t have at his disposal.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 24, 2025 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I commented below

but additionally, that was the focus of my point. It’s easy to remember the handful of plays where we were beat, but we gave up fewer big passing plays than anyone else in the conference and a lof that was unseen by the casual viewer. The QB looks downfield, Gideon is in position, the QB has to look elsewhere.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's play devils (Stoops) advocate

If you are OU, with the talent you have, how do you attack Manny’s defense? In addition, playing once again, do you overload blitz UT’s offense, like you did last year? Or, do you simply not worry about our passing game and just stack the box?

"Statistics are for losers, I like winning games!" Will Muschamp

by Snide Aside on Apr 23, 2025 4:56 PM CDT reply actions  

OU offense

depends, can they run the ball?
I would try and get Texas in nickel with 20 personnel (millard and 3 WR) and see how Gideon’s replacement does in handling runs with Millard as lead blocker, alternated with play-action bombs to Stills and co.
Also, I would do plenty of hurry-up tempo with hitches, screens, and zone runs to stay ahead of the chains and periodic deep shots.
If they can’t run they could get in big trouble because they’ll get Landry in trouble against our Ends and Fire Zones if our pass-rushers don’t have to worry about the run.

On defense, they should keep up the perimeter-overloads in case our TE’s and OT’s are still susceptible there but they’ll need some other tricks up their sleeve as well.
OU plays a lot of “2-read” on defense that allows their safeties to arrive really quickly on run reads so I dont’ think they’ll stack the box unless we are making roadkill of them.
Probably they’ll play us more honestly and see if we’ve graduated to the level of competence against premier defense.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

"You people"?

Nice to have your take on the defense, NR, and nice to have you back after a… what’s the word?… hiatus.

With a three-headed-dragon backfield, you gotta figure the offense will be putting the defense behind the eight ball much less often this year, especially if Ash has even normal second-year growth. With a little ball-hawking and a nasty disposition on special teams, I’m counting on quite a season.

by OldTimeHorn on Apr 23, 2025 5:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm optimistic for cotton bowl or better

I have a new goal where I write or research for a specific writing project 5 hours a week with at least 2 of those hours spent on writing.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

???

Is that what explains your absence, NR? Or your presence? Hope we’ll be getting that research and writing focused on Texas foo’ball and appearing herein!

by OldTimeHorn on Apr 23, 2025 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

my presence, mostly

I’ve been sitting on material for multiple pieces. One about the 2005 Texas offense, another about (probably) the 2009 Nebraska defense, a few about other big 2011 games I rewatched, etc.

I decided to set goals in order to make myself get stuff done.
My absence was mostly just busyness and failure to put thoughts to screen.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you need any extra motivation, hows about a little positive reinforcement.

All of those post ideas sound great, and your writing is a great asset to this website. Always enjoy your posts, including this one.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Apr 23, 2025 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 for reinforcement

Looking fwd to reading the fruits of this research and writing “Focusness.”

by Stiendam Hall on Apr 24, 2025 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ditto BOJ, those all sound fantastic.

To add to the list of awesome topics, there’s a great Chris Brown post on the 2008 Texas Longhorns offense that is a must-read for any Longhorn fan. In fact, I’m sure most of you have already read it, but it’s worth a second look, especially in the context of the discussion above comparing 2012 to 2008.

Here: http://smartfootball.com/passing/colt-mccoys-texas-passing-game

WVU slept dey couch.
@pleaseplaykindl

by pleaseplaykindle on Apr 23, 2025 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very Glad You're Back

It does me good to hear you have such a store of material soon to spill out. I always learn a lot from your pieces. Now, as you are applying yourself to becoming a better writer, I just need to talk to you about your frequent hendiadys.

by OldTimeHorn on Apr 23, 2025 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent write-up and analysis. Thanx.

by J.R.69 on Apr 23, 2025 6:56 PM CDT reply actions  

All on Ash

Boil it any way you want - if Ash is not an above average QB - we do not win 10 or more games. And it can be any of that “game manager” stuff where he gets 1 read and if it aint open he just chucks it into the cheap seats. He has to be able to make plays. No way our OL is good enough that we just bowl over an OU with the running game.

Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen

by realmccoy on Apr 23, 2025 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

very true

Ash and case were bad this year but the ceiling set for them was fairly low because of the receivers and terrible pass protection.
Something else that will really help the pass protection, running the football.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true

to say he never has to do anything is extreme and obviously false.
But ideally, the Offensive coordinator and the QB have things set up well enough on a pass play that the QB need only make a quick check before delivering the ball.
How do you think OSU and OU get the ball out so quick? Weeden and Landry weren’t going through progressions in 2 seconds.

Hopefully he makes some plays now and then, when he does I bet it’s with his legs either buying time or chewing up the yards themselves.

by Nickel Rover on Apr 23, 2025 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If The Mack Brown Era Has Taught Us Anything...

It’s that we can win 10 games while losing to OU. It’s certainly not my preferred method of doing things, but there it is. We all want to trample them in the worst way, but the sins of the near past were grievous on the offensive side of the ball, and our atonement may take a few years despite a massive change in direction.

It all boils down to Ash for perhaps 4 games this year. We have enough ability in the run game and on defense to win ugly for the majority of our schedule provided we find a kicker.

by Bobby_Batronic on Apr 24, 2025 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent point.
But ideally, the Offensive coordinator and the QB have things set up well enough on a pass play that the QB need only make a quick check before delivering the ball.

Another little forgotten item is that Ash will actually KNOW the playbook this year.

"Statistics are for losers, I like winning games!" Will Muschamp

by Snide Aside on Apr 23, 2025 9:23 PM CDT reply actions  

True, Ash will know the playbook

If Ash can connect on 10 to12 passes a game we will be in the hunt for a BCS Bowl,that should be enough to keep defenses more than honest.

by 55f100tx on Apr 23, 2025 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

More than honest...

…those defenses will be downright frank and forthcoming.

If I had a sig, this is where it would go.

by sinless1 on Apr 24, 2025 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  


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