Texas Tech REALLY Doesn't Want to Play on the Longhorn Network
They want to avoid the LHN enough to consider playing only 11 games in 2012.
Texas Tech's first road game is on Sept. 8th, at Texas State. ESPN announced that the game would be carried on of their networks but they did not specify which one.
Guess which one they are thinking about putting the game on?
#TexasTech is considering canceling the Texas State game, playing just 11 games this fall.
— Chris Level (@ChrisLevel) June 22, 2025
Texas State is a newly minted member of the WAC, and ESPN owns their media rights. the WAC recognized the Longhorn Network as an official ESPN platform after the network agreed to air all six of UTSA's 2012 home games. And now ESPN would liike to put the Texas Tech game against the Bobcats in San Marcos on the LHN.
Tech is not amused.
The Red Raiders are making noises that they would rather cancel the game, pay a buyout to Texas State and just play 11 games in 2012 than show up on the Longhorn Network. It is probably just a ploy to try and get ESPN to put the game on another channel.
Yep, this whole new "brotherhood" that is the Big 12 where it is all for one and one for all is getting off to a great start.
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Is there a motivation for Tech other than pride/spite?
Not that those aren’t legitimate reasons, I suppose. Just wondering if there is an angle I’m not seeing. Is it just that they don’t want to appear to be supporting the concept of the LHN? Or does the payout to them change if ratings are different?
by Flipteach on Jun 21, 2025 11:37 PM CDT reply actions
These are LHN announcers. Texas could literally use the entire 3-hour broadcast as a recruiting sales pitch to Texas high school recruits on why you should never go to Texas Tech, or why Texas is better than Tech.
I understand Tech’s issue with this.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
And in what illogical universe would this behavior occur?
Please think about what you are actually saying.
The network needs programming. There’s no point to doing something that silly, and I’m sure all of the 5-star recruits who will be glued to the TV set watching Texas Tech/Texas State will be wearing Magneto-style helmets in order to avoid powerful LHN announcer Manchurian candidate mind control that would inevitably occur after 30 seconds of viewing.
by Dreadful on Jun 22, 2025 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Even if it doesn't occur during the broadcast
UT will be brought up in some form or fashing during every single commercial break.
I can’t say I blame them for not wanting to be on it, especially if they aren’t even playing UT.
by Horncasting on Jun 22, 2025 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
That's where the Magneto helmets come into play
duh.
by Dreadful on Jun 22, 2025 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
It's recruiting
It doesn’t have to be overt. Stuff along the lines of “We hear Tuberville is in a bit of trouble over in Lubbock.” “Tech is going to move away from there Leach-powered offense.” It may all actually be true, but I Tech is right in not wanting this broadcast on the Longhorn Network.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Reasons why Tech will cancel the game if ESPN changes their mind.
Although ESPN has stated that the game will not be on LHN, should the try, Tech will cancel the game even at the cost of the win/loss record.
1. ESPN/ LHN bully board last year and threats pissed of every TTU alumni and fan coast to coast. ESPN pulled scheduled games after Tech told LHN and ESPN last year to go to hell. FOX picked up the games after ESPN dropped the game.
2. You guys at UT are smoking some of TCU’s wacky weed if you think Dodds and other admin people do not have more than a little bit of say in the content of the LHN. Please do us all a favor and listen to your own AD when he outlined exactly what kind of decisions UT has on the network. Which more than people think. Yes, ESPN normally runs on cruse control, but Tech is not going to allow future recruits see a UT logo during the game and allow UT to own personally the media rights to that game.
3. LHN is a failed network for a variety of reasons. ESPN is trying to expand the network but resistance is stronger than they thought. Original plans had the network on most of the Texas cable networks by now. LHN would be better served being folded into a Big 12 network. (By the way, Tech has 3 public broadcasting stations in operation in the West Texas and Eastern New Mexico Region.)
4. UT can use the game as a recruiting tool. Does not matter if your too stupid to understand how that works, UT is often known for using dirty tricks on the recruiting trail to get a toss up kid. All schools do so just give it a rest.
5. The news was known early June. Tech did contact people where ESPN said tough we have a contract to broadcast on the LHN so lump it or not play the game. Tech considered this and publicly put ESPN on notice. UT fans do not see this because you are a favored ESPN team. But non favored ESPN teams are treated way different and the possibility of what could happen on a branded channel is too high a risk.
6. ESPN used its full weight with Craig James to spread lies that were exposed in court documents and do serious damage to the Texas Tech program and reputation. Those actions have led to the decline in the program as a natural transition to a new coaching staff. There is a perception that ESPN may try to stick it to Tech during the course of the business transaction though not necessarily on purpose.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed! Just turn the tables.
1. Do you want Tech to pick up your non-conference games for our profit?
2. Do you want Tech to use your games as a recruiting tool?
3. Do you want Tech to meddle your politics and coaching?
4. Do you want ESPN to favor Tech over yourselves?
5. Do you want Tech refs to referee most of your games?
With all of UT’s existing advantages (historical, financial, recruiting, state funding, media, location, etc.) why are you even concerned? Can’t you let others run their own business?
Besides, Tech does not really need that game. If one game is the difference between 6-6 and 5-6 then there are bigger issues. I would rather Tech stand on principle and fight for as much of a level playing field as possible.
Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!
by Distant Raider on Jun 23, 2025 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I see why we call y'all "Sand Aggies."
The level of paranoia, conspiracy theories, & inferiority complex is the same.
Maybe we can make you leave for another conference too.
by Joetx on Jun 23, 2025 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I would say what we call you
but being a “sand aggie” I’m not sure I know how to spell A-R-R-O-G-A-N-T (Seriously, why is that? Because you went to a state university?) & I’ll bet cuss words aren’t appreciated here so I’ll leave off the last word.
And “make us” leave for another conference too? Really? I believe UT tried to get the Aggies to stay instead of losing a decade long rivalry, so I don’t believe you “made” them leave. I believe UT’s endless greed is what is causing the Big 12 to lose the allegiance it once had. That is sad.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Again your attitude is shown by your words...
“Maybe we can make you leave for another conference too.”
He who has to put someone else down shows an inferiority complex.
Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!
by Distant Raider on Jun 24, 2025 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions
You need to get out more
Like other Raiders, you state your guesses and paranoia as fact.
Like many other Longhorns, I see Tech’s real objections to having a game broadcast on LHN. The desire to invent notions of evil DeLoss Dodds plottin’ to take over the whole shootin’ match but the by-gawd plucky Red Raiders done stared him and his hired gun, ESPN, down is embarrassing for you.
ESPN calls the shots on what they broadcast. Their first concern was drawing viewers and their second consideration was that maybe you’d like to be on cablecast TV. I don’t think anyone sees Texas State vs Texas Tech as a very big draw (no offense, the big boys usually don’t want to broadcast all of our games every year either).
It looks like ESPN backed away once your AD through his public fit. You seem to still be looking for a fight where there isn’t one. As said below, very aggyish. You’re better than that.
by RomaVicta on Jun 23, 2025 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree that the TTU v Texas State game will not be a big draw. I do not believe ESPN was concerned with whether we would like to be on Cablecast TV - the LHN, really?
I’m sure you are smart enough to know that, “public fits” don’t happen until negotiations behind the scenes aren’t going anywhere. And I can assure you, Kirby Hocutt is not the type to throw, “public fits”. You can call it embarrassing. But we’re all quite proud of the stance he took.
As said before, looking down on others, very arrogant.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon
“I’m sure you are smart enough to know that, "public fits" don’t happen until negotiations behind the scenes aren’t going anywhere.”
I’m smart enough to know that made up little truisms like yours don’t hold water. Maybe you’re right, but you’d be lucky to be so. In short, your asserting a guess is a fact.
Is that a prerequisite for attending Tech?
by RomaVicta on Jun 23, 2025 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Really???
Do you think there weren’t any discussions behind the scenes between UT & A&M before A&M decided to go to the SEC? Before Colorado left? Before Nebraska left? Before Missouri left? Or do you think they all just woke up mad one day & decided to announce they were leaving? When universities are majorly unhappy about something (which in this case were all tied to the LHN & $$$) they don’t go straight to the media without having discussions behind the scenes first.
Seriously, think about it.
The only prerequisite I know for going to Tech is to be independent. No following the crowd there. Independent thinking. Try it.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Careful when talking to UT fans and alumni
It will lower your IQ. The problem when talking to UT people on topics similar along these lines is that they are being deliberately stupid, arrogant and so full of it because they somehow think that they are extra privileged. I have yet to meet a UT person who was rational which is different from the Aggie delusional.
Just as a kid from Hollywood who has never seen the backstreets of East LA and has zero people skills and common sense is exactly what a UT person is like. UT people just assume that because a person does not want to live in Hollywood area that they are some how inferior. Because one school has always has the silver spoon and extra privileges they ignore the true realities in life.
TTU people very well understand that UT is what it is because of privilege and that UT throws away more money than 90% of colleges in the US. Just as Microsoft and Walmart used its money and position to hurt smaller companies, UT is doing the same to other schools. From a person within the UT system they think people are not being reasonable or ration when the opposite is true.
It took the Federal Government to enlighten Microsoft and Walmart to understand that they are not the only companies in the world and that the world does not revolve around them. The time is coming soon that UT will be dealt with in a similar manner.
I am not speaking as a person who has envy. I have attended UT, Texas Tech, MIT and, Cal Tech. I wanted a degree from Texas Tech because in the business world it was more desired than a UT one in field that I had chosen. Graduate wise, MIT and Cal Tech on the resume was desired. It let me retire at the age of 38.
I know what is what and the attitudes from both schools. In this case, Texas Tech is in the right. Not because of anything overt done by UT but the machine called UT can and often does run a muck causing issues like this. The truth is that Dodds and ESPN who do have a direct say in the content of LHN could have prevented this issue rather than forcing it to the public light. Tech simply went public because ESPN refused to even discuss the issue and the potential problems this situation may cause.
Texas Tech is not paranoid just using caution in dealing with UT and ESPN. Who is to say that some passionate UT alumni or student or staff do something that they should not. Ignoring the possibility is the arrogance of the UT people while it is standard common sense and excellent business practice to prepare for the worse case even if it should never happen.
Nuff said!
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha, ha!
Living in Austin, I’m all too aware of the dynamic you describe. Although, I have to add, there are a lot of really awesome Longhorns - can’t paint them all with the same brush.
What I really want to know though, is how in the heck do you get to retire at 38??? Teach me (even though 38 is in my rear view mirror)!!!
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea I know
Yea I know I should not paint all of them that way. I know some awesome UT alumni that have left me impressed. But they are the minority.
As for retiring, I was lucky to know a Texas Tech professor whom I had a random talk with when I took a summer course while I was attending UT. That discussion led me to transfer to TTU.
What I learned was that school is a game. Just like monopoly. You want to attend schools which help you achieve the end goal but the school rep is less important than people think.
More millionaires are made from State Universities or from Universities that are not exactly considered the cream of the crop. The real way to retire early is to make connections while still in school within the industry you want to work. It also helps to get a prof to make the introductions for you rather than a letter of recommendation. Grades are not really all that important unless you go into politics or wish to work for the government. Lastly, do specific undergraduate research under a prof that has business connections with the companies you want to work for. In this way, you will have worked on projects for those companies if you have chosen correctly. When you graduate and ready to enter the workforce, you can go directly to the company and they will know you and you can show that you already have done important work for the company while in school. Businesses see that as bonus experience because they will not have to waist time training you on what they expect from you as an employee and you starting salary will be significantly more than the beginner.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Continued
Next, get yourself the best financial adviser you can afford. Invest Invest Invest! Make sure you have a clear goal and minimize the risks. When you are young, you do not have to make the million 5 years. If you start early and stay at it you will reach the million within 10 to 15 years. Stock Market should only be 50% of the investment. 30% should be in the commodities and the remaining should be in Real Estate that brings in a cash flow. As in buying an apartment complex, duplexes and so forth or other opportunities that your adviser suggests..
I later learned that this investment strategy is exactly how Buffett made his money along with Soros and David Thompson made their billions.
Lastly, decide just exactly how much money you need to retire on. Some people just make money for the sake of making money and die miserable. Others just love to work. In my case, I decided that all I needed was an income of $8000 a month. Since I have no debt other than Taxes and utilities which work out to less than 1200 a month, So I often have money left over from the budget. I use that to do extra things. I also set up a special slush fund for travel and vacations that is separate from the budget that had an original amount of $150K. I pull from that fund to pay for vacations or any other expensive trip. That fund is also an investment and more than half is in a 3, 6 or 12 month type be it bonds, securities or simple low interest CD.
That about it.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Dang!
Well it’s too late for me to do all of that but good for you!
I do have to disagree on one point though - I did go into government & politics and grades aren’t a big deal there either. I think it’s more about marketing yourself. I’ve had a great career (so far, not close to retiring yet) so no complaints from me.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 24, 2025 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Not complete too late
You can still improve your retirement profile but it does take time and you have to be very dedicated for more than a decade by willing to put 25% of your take home toward investments. That is how 99% of the real wealth is created that will stay and not get lost.
As for the grades with government, I was referring more to special position things like Research scientists or running a research facility or program or even being in charge of NASA or the like. I was not at all referring to congress who are there for the most part because they can not hack it in the business world. That is what Biden said was the case for himself and his boss Obama.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 24, 2025 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Your first paragraph
is irrelevant to my point.
I won’t risk lowering your IQ (see below) any further by continuing to respond although I could surely use the smartening up. Good luck with the early retirement.
by RomaVicta on Jun 23, 2025 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Roma
I have been retired for 12 years and I am loving it!
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Fumble
I was responding to Austin,Tx’s post entitle Really?? But I fumbled the formatting and it ended up under yours. Sadly, now I’m possibly diminishing your IQ, too.
by RomaVicta on Jun 24, 2025 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
How was it irrelevant?
When universities are majorly unhappy about something (which in this case were all tied to the LHN & $$$) they don’t go straight to the media without having discussions behind the scenes first.
Last sentence in first paragraph - I’m referring to Tech here. My apologies if that was not clear. Others above were examples, admittedly on a much larger scale.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 24, 2025 3:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Roma
No problem..
I had my first post somehow fall below the second and third posts. I have noticed that it happens at times when boards are very busy.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 24, 2025 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
There are plenty of legit reasons
Tech is not being prideful or petty or doing this out of spite. See the post below because those are just the top 6 reasons though there are several more that are very much real business reasons.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Now that A&M;'s gone, the Sand Aggies will focus all of their hate on us.
Tech doesn’t deserve to be on the LHN anyway.
by Joetx on Jun 21, 2025 11:46 PM CDT reply actions
By using the word “deserve” your attitude is completely revealed.
Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!
by Distant Raider on Jun 23, 2025 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
I wonder what it’s like to be so full of oneself? And for no valid reason? For the first time, I’m beginning to feel sorry for the Longhorns. Kind of like the bully in grade school that you thought was so big & powerful, but was really just insecure & took it out on everyone else..
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably true
Now give me a fucking quarter or I’ll kick the shit out of you near the bike racks.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 23, 2025 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have a quarter
but I do have a twinkie in my lunch box if that will do. But I have a serious sweet tooth so I won’t give it up without a fight.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It now been proven fact
People do not want to be on LHN since it was born. Tech is not the only school to say hell no. But UT fans are too blinded because they are looking up Bevo’s butt.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Is giving up a sure-fire win against a Div 1 team worth it?
Posturing aside, they’re a bubble team as it is. Seems foolish to actually cancel the game out of spite.
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by kriess on Jun 21, 2025 11:49 PM CDT reply actions
How do you define 'sure-fire'?
by Sailor Ripley on Jun 22, 2025 12:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
"Posturing aside, they’re a bubble team as it is. "
Want to be on it? Tech will get to 8 wins. Besides, UT has to travel to Lubbock where Dodd’s neighbor can not ref the game and insure a victory through bad calls.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions
what happen?
Post changed. Want to bet on it?
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jun 23, 2025 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions
You've got a lot of nerve...
to come on here and talk about reffing after the brutal beatdown Tech got last year. It was so embarrassing that I couldn’t even watch the whole thing.
by Ruslanchik on Jun 23, 2025 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll talk about it
It was brutal. I live in Austin & was at that game. There were a lot of very nice Longhorns who were truly sorry to see the direction our team went since Leach got fired. Their genuine concern for our team (who doesn’t like good competition?) was appreciated.
But as soon as we finish talking about that game, let’s talk November 1, 2008.
Look forward to it!
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Refs in Lubbock
Laughable. Re-watch the 2009 game. A brand new officiating crew that was instructed to ignore holding — you should hang your head in shame.
by JDBecker on Jun 24, 2025 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
ESPN ain't gonna put TTU-TSU
on any of their broadcast networks. Not even ESPNU. That’s the kind of crazy-talk you tend to hear from people in a bad negotiating position.
I don’t see Tech’s angle, except that their fanbase would be pissed if gametime rolls around and it’s on a fictional rival-branded network still a year away from being in the local cable rotation. Not hard to imagine lots of fans pissed at that. Oh yeah it wouldn’t be “televised” any other way, but I wouldn’t expect Red Raider fans to make such fine distinctions…they’d just see the listing and the letters “LHN” and start steaming out their earholes Yosemite-Sam-style.
So that’s why Tech management is being uppity. It’s a PR necessity. But that’s probably also why it’s a bluff. What kreiss said…winning is everything in football and I can’t see Tubs & Co sacrificing a likely win over TV issues. Especially when it’s a Div I road game, i.e., in a situation where they normally don’t have any say about TV at all.
But still, the optics ARE horrible for the TTU AD if nothing changes. Keep it up and TTU brass will have no choice but to follow through. This could get interesting.
by Dagga Roosta on Jun 22, 2025 12:18 AM CDT reply actions
How stupid would you have to be...
…to cancel a game because it’s on an un-preferred channel? Texas recruiting pitch? The commentating team isn’t exclusive to the Longhorn Network. They’re the same guys who cover games on all the various ESPN/ABC platform channels - Mark Davis, Jesse Palmer, Chris Weinke, etc. I get that they want they’re fans to be able to watch the game, but it’s not like they’re playing the defending national champs to open the season. It’s freaking Texas State. Should just be happy that their even considering having it available on any channel, regardless of whether that ends up being Longhorn Network.
by MR_HORNS on Jun 22, 2025 1:05 AM CDT reply actions
Perspective
un-preferred does not = LHN
It’s not like we were saying unless it’s Game Day we’re out.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess since aggy has left
TT is auditioning for the coveted conference wingnut position
"When I came off the mound the hairs were standing up on my arm. I know there's not much"
/Holland.
by BEW on Jun 22, 2025 6:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
We were until the Longhorns gave us such stiff competition for the position.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
While this may have caught some by surprise...
Scroll down to #260 in this linked thread from ShaggyBevo.
In any case, it is not a great P.R. move to discuss this in the press while the conference is considering its future. If someone in Lubbock had that big an issue with it, they should’ve made up an excuse and paid their way out of the game without the dust up.
by Saul! on Jun 22, 2025 7:06 AM CDT reply actions
Might be a PR move
but i would feel the same if i were in Tech’s boots. No way in hell I would play that game on the LHN.
by ShameAndFailure on Jun 22, 2025 8:23 AM CDT reply actions
This is dumb...
Tech won’t cancel the game. A buyout of Texas State isn’t enough. I realize that it is highly unlikely that (1) Texas State will win 5-6 games in its first year in FBS and (2) Texas State would beat Tech, but it’s possible.
So Texas State is sitting on 5 wins (or 6 with an FCS win, whatever), and doesn’t get invited to a bowl because Tech cancelled their game?
I get that the perception of being on LHN might rile Tech fans, but whatever. The WAC and Texas St. have an opportunity to televise an additional game. Tech’s the road team. Suck it up.
Also, this isn’t a UT thing. It’s an ESPN and WAC thing. While UT certainly has strong influence over content involving UT, it’s basically getting a flat fee to hand the reins to ESPN. ESPN has rights to the WAC and a “regional” network to throw a game on that would not otherwise be televised. They aren’t concerned about rivalries. They are concerned about content. But you are right, Tech, DeLoss probably engineered this whole thing on a dare from John Skipper.
by A-Tex Devil on Jun 22, 2025 9:20 AM CDT reply actions
Forget the branding...
If I’m Tech, the bigger issue to me than branding is eyeballs. I’m sure they don’t want the game on a network nobody can see. That’s actually a worse deal than doing a local pay-per-view arrangement.
I don’t believe they’ll actually cancel, but it brings up some issues.
by TexanNick on Jun 22, 2025 9:22 AM CDT reply actions
Agree
That’s actually a worse deal than doing a local pay-per-view arrangement.
by Horncasting on Jun 22, 2025 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
But what are the odds the game is done on PPV?
It might not be on TV at all.
by Texas Wahoo on Jun 22, 2025 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right. More people have seen Sasquatch shave his nads before a big date than have seen the LHN.
A rerun on Fox SW at 3:00 AM might be better because people can record it.
by WreckerTex on Jun 22, 2025 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I see TT's point
Not wanting to play a TV game with a non-involved school’s brand ever present is totally understandable. Tech’s quibbles should be addressed. The network should guarantee that no UT specific promo ads will air during the game. The University should emphasize that these decisions do not originate from Austin.
On the other hand, what a bush league grandstanding move to leap immediately to grab headlines with a threat to cancel the game. They’re not playing next week, the season and the game are months away. Spend at least a little time trying to work this out.
Somebody in Lubbock wants their fifteen minutes.
by RomaVicta on Jun 22, 2025 9:36 AM CDT reply actions
It's red meat to the Tech fan base
“We’re not going to be pushed around by Texas.” Even though Texas has zero to do with this. ESPN sure as hell isn’t interested in eating up ESPN2 programming time for this contest. They’re putting it on the LHN because it’s the least of their networks.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 22, 2025 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
This really isn’t anything Texas has control over. Even so, though, I imagine Kirby Hocutt would be putting his job on the line to let this stand. Fair or not, there’s no separating Texas and the LHN brand at this point.
by Blatant Homerism on Jun 22, 2025 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
It's one thing for the fan bases to trade barbs
and treat the situation like “red meat” to be devoured.
It’s quite another for supposed business partners (and in this case I am talking about Texas and Texas Tech in terms of the Big 12) to ambush each other publicly. The fact that ESPN is driving this just means that Texas is once again having it pointed out to them that they are not the biggest SOB in the room when it comes to dealing with the World Wide Leader in Sports.
It’s a publicity headache that will no doubt go away, but it still points out that the Big 12 is hardly the poster child for a unified conference.
by srr50 on Jun 22, 2025 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Why should we assume other schools operate like adults?
See: A&M, Nebraska. Texas operating its athletic department like an emotionless business is the exception, not the rule, in college athletics.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 22, 2025 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
"It's Not Personal. It's Business"
If Tech keeps bitching about this, Tommy Tuberville is gonna wake up with a surprise under his blanket and the Red Raiders are gonna need a new mascot.
by srr50 on Jun 22, 2025 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
If there were any trees in Lubbock, I'd go poison them!
by Sailor Ripley on Jun 22, 2025 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this an example of, "It's not personal, it's business"?
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like a grandstanding new AD that is surprisingly in touch with his looniest and loudest parts of his base.
I don’t think these people understand how poorly LHN is currently distributed. ESPN may one day work out a price where it gets better coverage, but that isn’t going to be this season.
by Tackchevy on Jun 22, 2025 9:46 AM CDT reply actions
Tech has a legit complaint in terms of availability
If I was a Tech fan, I’d rather have the option to PPV the game than have it on a network that I might have no access to whatsoever. That should be the AD’s angle - pushing back so they can preserve the right to PPV the game so that more Tech fans can actually see it.
With that said, obviously a lot of this is a grandstanding fit of pique which makes me laugh heartily in Tech’s direction. Without having access to the books for their athletic department, I’m willing to bet that out of their school colors there’s more red than black on that ledger. Go ahead and forgo 1/7th of your home revenue for the season, guys…go right on ahead.
by nobis60 on Jun 22, 2025 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
It's not a home game nobis
which is why it can appear on the LHN. Texas State is part of the WAC and the LHN already has a deal to telecast UTSA home games.
Of course Tech is pissed. And once again it is being handled poorly - from a PR standpoint — by both sides.
So thinking Tech is loony for being upset, you would have no problem if the Texas-Wyoming game from Laramie was on the Sooner Network?
by srr50 on Jun 22, 2025 10:28 AM CDT reply actions
A Texas-Wyoming game from Laramie would be on one of the major networks, so it's not really applicable.
I would have no problem with a Texas vs. Amarillo State game being on the Tech Network, if one existed.
by Texas Wahoo on Jun 22, 2025 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd be upset if the game was on a network I couldn't see
I’d also be upset if the game was on a big-time institution’s network if my institution was not big-time, but that would be one in a long litany of upset moments in my life that I could have mitigated by studying harder in high school.
by nobis60 on Jun 22, 2025 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with nobis
I just want to have a chance to see the game. I don’t get worked up about who’s showing it or who the announcers are or what they talk about between plays or what commercials get shown or plugs get read.
If I’m not a good enough fan, that’s just the way it goes.
by BobInHouston on Jun 22, 2025 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Y'all crack me up
It never seems to occur to you that there are people out there that “choose” not to go to UT, even turn down an acceptance offer. Yep. True story.
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
So how'd you end up in Austin?
Job market? Cool city? Hot chicks?
Just curious why someone would “choose” to go to Lubbock, only to leave it.
by flamingmonkeyass on Jun 23, 2025 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Job & cool city. I was able to choose which city in Texas I wanted to live in for my job. It was Austin - hands down.
I’m female so hot chicks isn’t a factor, except of course to add to the population! ;-)
When I chose Tech we lived in Houston. My sister went to UT so no way was I going there - wanted my independence! I loved going to Tech & living in Lubbock. I have season tickets & it’s always fun going back.
Also, I believe in broadening your horizons by experiencing different people, places & things. I’m not the type to live in a city, go to school there & live there. It’s a big world out there, why limit yourself?
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
If TT cancels this game,
will Texas State still agree to play in Lubbock next year? That would be 1/7th of the home revenue.
by Fried Rice on Jun 22, 2025 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait a minute
Texas Tech agreed to a home and home with Texas State? How small time can you get.
by Horncasting on Jun 22, 2025 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're burying the lede, srr50
The real story is that the Zorros are having to go to San Marcos to play the school formerly known as Southwest Texas State.
As much crap as we give the Agro-Americans for having to play Louisiana Tech in Shreveport, this makes you shake your head even more.
Final score: Texas wins, 76-37-5
by Cocky Bovine on Jun 22, 2025 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
Chlamydia Bowl
Kind of sounds like a flower.
by Sailor Ripley on Jun 22, 2025 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
In the parallel hell dimension from "Even Horizon"
where I attend Texas Tech or am an Alumni of Texas Tech, I probably don’t want to play the game on LHN either. It just seems weird, although I doubt my brain can figure out why.
by stevenebraska on Jun 22, 2025 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
Texas Tech's goal this year has to be a bowl game...no chance at any other title
Thus they need 6 Ws. They are capable of beating
vs NW State, vs NM, @ ISU, vs Kansas
If they cancel the Texas State game, they will have to pull 2 upsets among the rest of the Big XII schedule (UT, OU, OSU, WVU, TCU, KSU, and Baylor). Not gonna happen, not gonna happen. This would totally screw any chance of a “successful” season, even by their standards.
by RQ on Jun 22, 2025 10:52 AM CDT reply actions
The thing is --- it's a fricking *away* game for Tech
The game is owned by the WAC and Texas State, and ESPN owns the rights. Tech isn’t involved here. If Texas State would prefer to do pay per view, then I understand. Tech doesn’t have any say in this matter whatsoever.
by A-Tex Devil on Jun 22, 2025 11:51 AM CDT reply actions
The "say" they have
is not to play the game and pay the buyout.
It’s the say any school would have to break a game contract.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but that's a bluff
Tech isn’t giving up the game and risking their W-L record. ESPN clearly didn’t think this was the hand to call on right now.
ESPN has been a bull in the china shop of our rivals’ emotions with this whole LHN thing. They were going to do this to increase content. That Tech would be upset never crossed their minds until Tech got upset. That speaks to ESPN’s tone-deafness, but also to the fact that there isn’t anything sinister going on here like everyone else would have you believe.
by A-Tex Devil on Jun 22, 2025 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm don't think it's a bluff
I don’t Texas has anything to do with this particular issue, but I also don’t think Texas is sitting idly by while ESPN runs the “Longhorn” Network.
It has the name “Longhorn” in it. People naturally associate it with Texas and I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what Texas wants. That comes with the good—if there’s ever any quality programming people can watch and the not so good.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have cable, but my mom does...
How much does a customer pay to get the NFL network? How much is ESPN wanting to charge the major cable companies for the NFL network?
by Fried Rice on Jun 22, 2025 11:55 AM CDT reply actions
NFL network comes as part of a standard package on AT&T; U-verse
My rate didn’t go up when it was added.
by Horncasting on Jun 22, 2025 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
So, guys.....
Anything good happen since you kicked us out in ’96?
by Philly Frog on Jun 22, 2025 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
Other than becoming the most profitable brand in college sports and becoming one of the three most dominant teams in the following decade?
by Scipio Tex on Jun 22, 2025 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
What team?
Baseball for sure. Maybe some Olympic sports I’m not aware of, but I can’t think of any other Texas athletic program that would be in the top 3 nationally over the last 15 years.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
If we aren't top 3 in wins in football over that span, we are pretty damn close
by Horncasting on Jun 22, 2025 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Florida, LSU, and Bama have more national titles. Ohio State and Oklahoma have played for more. We’ll leave out USC with all the cheating issues, but their ceiling in the 2000’s was unbelievable. Those, along with Texas would be the 7 schools with some type of claim.
Wins are a terrible barometer. Some of those 10 win Texas seasons were 4 wins versus non-BCS competition and 6 conference wins.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
What part of the word "decade"
stretches to 15 years?
I’ll help you: 2000-2009.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 22, 2025 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the sarcasm
Texas is still not a top 3 football program from 2000-2009.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
- 2nd highest winning % (behind Boise)
- Highest AP ranking average of any team
- 2 national title games
- 1 national title
LSU and Florida each had 2 national titles. Everyone else has 1. LSU and Florida also had some tough rough patches.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 22, 2025 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Well by those stats you'd think
Texas would be better than Oklahoma in that timeframe.
Do you really believe that?
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Why wouldn't we believe that?
It’s not as if we were running around with our pants around our ankles during the 2000s while they were winning national championship after national championship.
Final score: Texas wins, 76-37-5
by Cocky Bovine on Jun 22, 2025 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Because
OU has more head-to-head wins (6-4), more division titles (7-3), more conference titles (6-2), and more national title appearances (4-2).
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i realize math may not be your cup of tea
But is it possible that both OU and Texas were in the top three?
Lets see. 1+1=2<3
Yep theoretically possible
by texitect on Jun 22, 2025 3:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Glad to see that UT education coming in handy for you
Of course it’s possible. It’s also not true.
LSU and Florida have more national titles. Ohio State and Oklahoma have more national title appearances and A LOT more conference championships. USC was the most dominant team of the decade.
If winning percentage were that important, then Boise State would be in this conversation. It’s not.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
LSU also had three unranked teams in the 2000s
Low lows should count against you.
Boise’s not in the conversation for reasons fairly obvious beyond winning %.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 22, 2025 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree to an extent about the low lows
But Texas is behind Ohio State, Florida, LSU, Oklahoma, and USC in the “high highs.” I don’t think the fact their “low lows”—10 win seasons ending out of the BCS—make up for that which might be better than each of those other teams.
Wouldn’t you trade a pair of those 10-win seasons for another national title and a 7-win season? I know I would.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
What if you get the 7-win season first?
Still willing to bet on the MNC?
by BobInHouston on Jun 22, 2025 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
im pretty sure
USC was caught cheating their asses off so that leaves LSU who had at least three shitty teams, Florida Texas and Ohio state and OU. There plenty of room for debate, but a team with a MNC and two title game appearances, certainly belongs in the group. If you cant admit that your a fucking troll who can leave anytime
by texitect on Jun 22, 2025 8:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll quote myself from above:
“Florida, LSU, and Bama have more national titles. Ohio State and Oklahoma have played for more. We’ll leave out USC with all the cheating issues, but their ceiling in the 2000’s was unbelievable. Those, along with Texas would be the 7 schools with some type of claim.”
So thanks for both not reading and showing that true Texas class I keep hearing about.
by DoubleB on Jun 22, 2025 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And with all due respect to Coach Boom, Florida's rough patch is happening right now
Final score: Texas wins, 76-37-5
by Cocky Bovine on Jun 22, 2025 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
With all due respect to Coach Zook
Florida’s rough patch is happening again.
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by kriess on Jun 23, 2025 4:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Texas Tech is doing Tx State a favor
Texas Tech is doing Tx State a favor and playing in San Marcus to open up their brand new stadium and sell it out for them. How is Tech repaid? By the LHN using them in an attempt to salvage some distribution partnerships.
I would think even the most delusional Horn fan could at minimum see why Tech would be frustrated by this move. In addition, if you don’t think Tech already attempted to work this out behind closed doors you’ve got your head in the sand.
ESPN and the LHN already attempted to strong arm Tech last year into playing UT on the LHN. Tech refused and then ESPN dropped two of their games. Tech has tried to be polite and work this out without getting the media involved, but at some point enough is enough. If you don’t stand up for yourself and speak out no one is going to do it for you.
by TechAdvisor on Jun 22, 2025 1:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm skeptical of some of the items you are treating as facts.
by Texas Wahoo on Jun 22, 2025 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
And they are???
Or are you just throwing out empty criticism?
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by Austin, Tx on Jun 23, 2025 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the arrogance
Texas Tech is doing Tx State a favor
and sell it out for them
by Horncasting on Jun 22, 2025 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
And ESPN is doing a favor to Texas State and Texas Tech by trying to televise it....
Maybe a bone will be thrown and it can be on ESPN3
by A-Tex Devil on Jun 22, 2025 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
If you (TA) believe it...
it must be true. First you say you “think” Tech attempted to work this out, then you just go ahead state it as a fact. As I said above, there is plenty of time before the game to use for options before going nuclear with a threat to cancel the game.
If Chip Brown is correct that the LHN will not pursue the game, doesn’t that indicate that Tech was not dealing with an inflexible entity?
I’ll also repeat that I think Tech has legit concerns about the game being on LHN. But I also wonder how clear it was in the contract that the game might be on LHN. Did Tech reread the contract and go, “OMG!!! LHN!!! OMG!!!! Somebody get a exorcist!!!!”
by RomaVicta on Jun 22, 2025 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
"Tech was not dealing with an inflexible entity?"
I don’ t think anyone believes they weren’t. There is a reason Chris Level reported what he did, he didn’t just pull something out of thin air. The fact that Chip Brown tweeted something very similar to what Chris Level did yesterday, and then today claimed that LHN will not pursue the game indicates that Chris Level publicizing the apparent deal worked for Tech.
If you think LHN was never going to pursue this game or is just being a flexible buddy to Tech I think you’re naive. The LHN already has enough public backlash to deal with, this wasn’t going to help their image.
by TechAdvisor on Jun 22, 2025 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
TT is playing Texas St to win gimme games
And you’re willing to play in San Marcos on a 2 for 1 because you can get some recruiting play out of it.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 22, 2025 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
This deep in the comments and no one has even mentioned the real issue here.
Why the hell would we ALLOW the sand aggies to play on OUR network. Someone should complain to Deloss.
by texitect on Jun 22, 2025 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
Your network desperately needs content. Plus, it’s a deal with the WAC.
by ColoradoAg on Jun 22, 2025 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
ColoradoAg playing the "lack of content" card
Tough to pick between that one, the “no demand for the LHN” card and the “LHN gives an unfair advantage” card.
His LHN senses must have been tingling.
by Horncasting on Jun 22, 2025 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
How is that a card?
Surely there is another reason this project has gained almost zero traction.
by ColoradoAg on Jun 22, 2025 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Really just giving you a hard time
But you have to admit, there are about 3-4 common memes used by the Aggies when discussing the LHN….and half of them contradict the other half.
I’d hate to think you guys left due to an entity with no content and zero traction.
by Horncasting on Jun 22, 2025 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha I hear you
All of it has been discussed to far too much length. I’m ready to tee up a ball and hear some pads.
by ColoradoAg on Jun 22, 2025 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Easy
It’s the same reason why have other minor state universities (like Texas State and UTSA) playing on LHN.
Final score: Texas wins, 76-37-5
by Cocky Bovine on Jun 22, 2025 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm surprised that anyone is surprised Tech would have a problem with this.
I would. I think saying they’d buy their way out of the game is a major bluff, but it also shows that they’re pissed.
Tech needs to protect their brand and having this game on the LHN (even if no one can see it) hurts the brand.
I’m too lazy to look into the WAC’s arrangement with ESPN, but this game will probably get tucked into an 11 AM slot on ESPNU to appease everyone.
by ColoradoAg on Jun 22, 2025 2:22 PM CDT reply actions
Or not aired at all as was originally planned?
by A-Tex Devil on Jun 22, 2025 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprised at surprise
ColoradoAg, I think just about everyone has said one place or another that they can see Tech’s problems with this. The surprise is at the drastic public way they’re handling it.
Somebody up above points out the other likely choice for Tech which is that the game likely wouldn’t be cablecast at all if there weren’t the LHN as a final option. What’s the mass appeal of a losing Tech team playing newbie Tx State outside of a relatively small Texas audience?
Again, I understand Tech preferring not to be on LHN, but the alternative is PPV or radio. Whatever they choose or force Tx State to choose is fine with me. I have LHN and would likely watch the game.
by RomaVicta on Jun 22, 2025 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they'd choose radio over LHN
They’re going there for a gimme win.
It’s all moot anyhow. Chipper Brown tweeted that the game will be played on an ESPN network, but not the LHN.
by ColoradoAg on Jun 22, 2025 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a big suprise
Texas wouldn’t want to play on another universities branded network either. Although in this case what does it really matter when no one can watch it?
by dudoo on Jun 22, 2025 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
Actually
I think Texas would be fine with playing away games on another schools branded network. As long as the corresponding home games were on LHN.
This situation is a bit odd though since neither Tech nor Texas State have anywhere near the money or pull to get a network anyone would want to see.
Oh wait. nevermind
by texitect on Jun 22, 2025 3:47 PM CDT reply actions
ESPN should not force that on Tech
Lets see, TEXAS Tech playing TEXAS St on the Longhorn network is like 2 brothers showing off for a girl who has her eye on their daddy.
by 55f100tx on Jun 22, 2025 3:49 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Should have named the cannel ESPN TX
LHN could have been primary content, then all other Texas sports could be run under ESPNTX. Would have given other Texas schools an outlet. Could have also done HS sports as well.
by OneRiot on Jun 22, 2025 5:20 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
This is the point!
I would support a region or conference wide network that does not favor one university over another. That unfortunately does not exist. I wonder why ESPN does not support such a network?
Around here football is bigger than the state of Texas!
by Distant Raider on Jun 23, 2025 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Because Texas sought bids on a LHN
Not a regional or conference network.
People say things like you are saying. The reason the network is “failing” is because ESPN set the bar high and won’t give in.
by BobInHouston on Jun 23, 2025 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Because the Partner backed out
Then yelled that UT continued with the network.
Then yelled some more
Then left the conference
Texas offered Aggies a 50/50 share at what would become LHN, but they turned it down.
by Silentjay on Jun 24, 2025 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Just to be fair
We really don’t know what Texas offered. Based on what the ADs said in public, I doubt it got past, “Are you interested?” “No.”
by BobInHouston on Jun 24, 2025 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Tech's response is calculated...
I think. It benefits ESPN to recruit as many different fanbases as possible to join the throngs of longhorn fans already unhappy about games broadcast on a network nobody can see. It adds to the number of phone complaints the major cable carriers will receive as a result, and thus adds to ESPN’s bargaining leverage. It would do tech no good at all to just complain about being broadcast on a network bearing our name. By threatening to cancel, it tells ESPN they won’t be pawns in the networks squabble with the carriers. Yes, it probably is a bluff, but that probably is the underlying reason ESPN is doing it, and also the reason Tech is pissed about it.
by Moosehorn on Jun 22, 2025 5:32 PM CDT reply actions
Not that it would ever happen, but wouldn't Texas fans be livid if UT vs. New Mexico was
on The Lobo Network? LHN the Dos.
The threat is totally understandable (why not try to get your way) but if they follow through, it’s just stupid. Keep in mind that this is the crew that fired Mike Leach, so they like a good pissing match. Rational behavior is not their strength.
I can see why they are irritated, however. When they couldn’t afford stamps to mail recruiting offers, UT was putting in mahogany lockers and aggie-tear bidets in the locker room for the basketball players on their pre-NBA min-camp. But I think they also realize deep down, that this isn’t going to change and refusing to play on LHN the Uno won’t change this.
by WreckerTex on Jun 22, 2025 6:33 PM CDT reply actions
Yes, I do realize The Lobo Network does not equal LHN. That would be TLN. >: ( Long week.
by WreckerTex on Jun 22, 2025 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
The Lobo network has a much larger cable footprint
So you’re right, it isn’t a fair comparison.
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by mbrown603 on Jun 23, 2025 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Wouldn't bother me in the least
It’s just a football game on television, like the other 500 or so that seem to be on each season.
by BobInHouston on Jun 23, 2025 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Tech is misdirecting their ire towards UT - The bully in this case is ESPN
UT is just a pawn. They took their Longhorn Network check & now they have to sit back & watch ESPN crash around like a bull in a china shop. I thought it seemed a little fishy when ESPN announced last month that they would carry Texas Tech/Texas State. In fact we made a joke about it being carried on ESPN 8 – The Ocho. The Longhorn Network is the real ESPN – The Ocho.
At some point ESPN is going to call this a bad investment & offer to sell the whole operation back to the school or better yet to the Big 12 who can turn it into The Big 12 Network.
"...Fight for the school we love so dearly"
by mbrown603 on Jun 23, 2025 10:13 AM CDT reply actions
See my post above
ESPN is calling the shots on rates. They probably could get it on tomorrow if they lowered the price.
by BobInHouston on Jun 23, 2025 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
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