Sooner Center Ben Habern's Career Is Over, Sooner Wide Redivas Reinstated
It's been a hard week for the Sooners, and not just because the Olympics have math.
Starting Sooner center Ben Habern is done with football due to chronic neck issues. Habern was a preseason All-Big 12 candidate who started 30 games at OU. Tough break for Ben and I wish him well. This means a reshuffle of the Sooner OL, with Gabe Ikard likely taking over center duties and the promising Adam Shead elevated to a starter's role.
The Sooners also recently learned that coveted JUCO WR Courtney Gardner won't make it in in time for the 2012 season. Gardner had been counted on to shore up depth issues on the Sooner WR corps after several Sooner wide receivers were suspended for jackanapery, magpieing, and tomfoolery. Also, being complete dicks.
Additionally, elite 2013 RB Greg Bryant de-commited from OU, and would prefer to go to a SEC school. "I realized that there were other football factories guised as universities closer to home."
Unsurprisingly, Bob Stoops has allowed the aforementioned wide receiver transgressors - Tre Franks, Jaz Reynolds, and Quentin Hayes - back on the team. They remain on double secret probation, though. Somehow, I have a feeling that we'll see these miscreants lined up across from the Longhorns in Dallas.
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I feel bad for Habern
… but still kind of feel the need to git out the pig whistle. Does that make me a bad person?
Also saw that another JUCO OL supposedly didn’t qualify and a highly thought of redshirt freshman OL left the team due to a knee injury this week.
by Big(g) Ern on Aug 1, 2025 2:15 PM CDT reply actions
Couple things
Will Latu is the JUCO OL you’re referring to and while at one point he was expected to contend for the right tackle job, the longer the delay in his arrival the less anyone in Norman was counting on him for anything. Not a big loss when you consider the odds of him actually seeing the field even if he had made it.
The RSFR OL was Dylan Dismuke and, no disrespect to him, but he also wasn’t going to play this year and more than a few speculated if he’d ever see the field in his career (more than a little unfair for a 2nd year player of course).
So both were strictly depth more than anything. Don’t get me wrong, it’s not like losing both did not hurt, but making it out like (and not saying that’s what you were doing) OU just lost two potential starters would be an exaggeration to say the least (again, not saying that’s what was done here).
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 1, 2025 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, Jordan.
So is the staff not sold on Daryl Williams at RT yet?
by Scipio Tex on Aug 1, 2025 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No, they are very high on him
Though his work ethic has somewhat been in question. I think the hope of many of us OU fans was that he (Williams) would move over to the left side and Latu would slide in on the right.
Not sure how much you all know about Lane Johnson’s story (he actually came to OU originally as a quarterback, moved to TE, then DE, and now he’s at left tackle!), but last year was the first time in his life that he played offensive line and it, um, well it showed. The coaches absolutely love the guy, but the idea of him protecting Landry’s blindside (he played RT last year) has always really, really worried me. Especially against guys like Jeffcoat and Okafor.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 1, 2025 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
WoW
that is a weight gain track I can appreciate, though mine came as I approached middle age rather than twenty.
I can enjoy schadenfreude at times, but not at all about things like Hebern (damn it, God, even if you don’t want him to have a million dollar salary, let him have some memories.), nor the Joco guys (I know where I’d be if my parents had stressed 40s and snatches over SATs).
by J-M-M on Aug 1, 2025 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
That's uhhh....different.
JC was much loved here, and in his senior year (before injury) was actually our only solid wr. hopefully this kid has success like that (though, not against us = p ).
Jeez. QB to OT. How often has that happened?
by e1 kabong on Aug 2, 2025 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Kind of what I figured...
I had seen some mention of both being guys that could have seen snaps this year, but didn’t sound like either were major blows to the starting unit.
by Big(g) Ern on Aug 1, 2025 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's a loss don't get me wrong
I really liked Latu, played with a real mean streak which is something (outside of Shead) this o-line has been missing since 2008.
But it’s not some kind of killer blow assuming their aren’t a bunch of injuries along the o-line (furiously seaching for wood to knock on).
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 1, 2025 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Last I read Latu was trying to qualify at Arkansas State.
David Oku (Tennessee transfer) running behind Latu. Malzahn may have something going on over there.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
by JoeT63 on Aug 1, 2025 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, heard that as well
Guess he tried Utah first, couldn’t get in there, then went the Malzahn route but I haven’t heard if they could get him in either.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 2, 2025 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
So your fans have unreasonable expectations for Freshman and Soph linemen as well?
by UT_BKC on Aug 1, 2025 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
It is a shared trait, apparently.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 2, 2025 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesome.
Trey Franks, Quentin Hayes and Jaz Reynolds have all been reinstated to the roster for practice only, and will remain suspended indefinitely from participating in games. Kameel Jackson’s suspension will be reviewed at the conclusion of the current academic session.
So great.
by Sailor Ripley on Aug 1, 2025 2:27 PM CDT reply actions
A source back east
tells me Penn State is seeking a review of the penalties announced last week, and wants Bob Stoops to be on the panel revising the sanctions.
by edsp on Aug 1, 2025 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
man
I didn’t realize Shead wasn’t already in the starting lineup for this year, he was one of the guys who could move a pile last year, if I recall correctly. None of these developments strike me as necessarily making OU’s football team weaker, obviously not the part where all those receivers are allowed back on the team. Ikard is a capable center, and this seems to raise the physicality level of the unit as a whole.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 1, 2025 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
Ikard is definitely capable
He’s just not as strong as Habern was. Go back and watch (if you can stomach it, not being an a-hole) last year’s RRSO. Randall abused Ikard, like really bad, on multiple occasions.
Having Ikard makes this loss of Habern not nearly as big of a gut punch as it could have been, but it’s not quite as seamless as some might have you believe.
That said, I never would have wished for it to happen this way, but this getting Shead in the starting lineup (which for some inexplicable reason wasn’t going to happen) is a very, very good thing for this offensive line.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 1, 2025 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
so basically ou will be on actual REAL probation from the ncaa in 4-7 years for some kind of cheating this year
that will obviously stem from the dickheads he let back on his team. good to know.
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by texfan23 on Aug 1, 2025 3:09 PM CDT reply actions
Stay classy my friends.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 1, 2025 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you figure?
Have I conducted myself in an ‘unclassy’ manner here? Or is it simply me referring to you all here as ‘my friends’, because that might actually make sense.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 2, 2025 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, please. Let us intensely hate on your city, state and school without taking it all personally.
by WreckerTex on Aug 2, 2025 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I sincerely doubt anything I do will alter the hate level in the slightest
Frankly, I’d be pretty disappointed in you all if it did.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 2, 2025 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I just want to note my appreciation
Your punny caption for the picture above met my approval.
by tronaldinho on Aug 1, 2025 3:21 PM CDT reply actions
Has Stoopsie been on the Head Football Coach Mack Brown Summer Diet Plan?
He looks a bit "prosperous’ as they used say in the Texas Hill Country…
by densagain on Aug 1, 2025 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm pissed off about the reinstatement in ways I can barely begin to explain.
Two of the WR’s had no business coming back. None. Jaz Reynolds has been doing dumb things pretty consistently off the field (his “joke” about shootings in Austin being the cherry on top) and Trey Franks has just been a jackass. Kameel Jackson might be deserving of a bit of slack as a true frosh, but I’m fervently unhappy about this decision w/r/t Reynolds and Franks. Quentin Hayes is a backup safety. If you want to speculate that he was allowed back so it didn’t look quite as obvious that this is motivated by the losses at the WR position, I’d hear that argument.
by NateHeupel on Aug 1, 2025 3:46 PM CDT reply actions
This just in, sun rises!
I’m not going to act like we (UT) are blameless in this department, but the moment I saw the sanctions I laughed. Kicking someone off the team for the summer is like a bad joke on the internet, not a really serious punishment for a team even pretending to care about what their players do. When I saw that I knew they would be on the field unless the scholarships were needed somewhere else.
I’ve always liked you Nate, so I’m glad OU has a couple fans that are bothered by this, but with no backups it would have to be something worse than kidnapping (like a bad rap/poor field performance combo) to get these guys kicked off for something as meaningful as fall practice.
by uttuck on Aug 1, 2025 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Many of the OU fans who post here and on C+C Machine
Add a lot and keep it classy. I tip my hat to them, Jordan and Nate in particular. They run a good site.
Doesn’t change how I feel about the team… the state… the uniforms… the Schooner… the fight song… or the known, inviolable fact that OU sucks.
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by windycityhorn on Aug 1, 2025 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Appreciated
Oh, and of course, Texas sucks as well.
(And I’m w/ Nate. Franks and Reynolds have both had multiple chances, probably even more we don’t know about. Stoops should have just cut bait IMO.)
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 2, 2025 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions
My bad on Hayes
Thanks for the correction.
by Scipio Tex on Aug 1, 2025 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
No worries, Scip. It's just rearranging the decals on Dale Earnhardt's car.
Or the deck chairs on the Titanic if that suits you better. This is a bad move, IMO.
by NateHeupel on Aug 1, 2025 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know all of their myriad offenses
Though I’m aware of the scuttlebutt. Basically, Stoops has to weigh a lot of different stuff. Ultimately, he knows fans are more likely to find forgiveness in their hearts if some scoundrels help them go 11-2 vs. their accepting a disappointing season admiringly because Bob really took a stand.
by Scipio Tex on Aug 1, 2025 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
11-2?
That is a disappointing season.
by Blatant Homerism on Aug 1, 2025 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Enough of these Sooner morality tales
They don’t keep Bob Stoops up at night and they shouldn’t pose a moral quandary for you either.
You’re doing Sooner Fan all wrong, Nate.
by Vasherized on Aug 2, 2025 4:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Stoops is tough....
Makes his three time drug test failers miss all team activities between the end of spring practice and the beginning of summer camp. A real taskmaster.
by Randy Watson on Aug 1, 2025 3:57 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Well, to be fair
I never played D-I CFB, but I have to imagine busting your ass in practice all week with no light at the end of the tunnel (i.e. the game) isn’t exactly rewarding.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 2, 2025 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Remember when our fans were actually debating...
Whether Adam Shead was good enough to play at Texas?!?!!
by Hippie Killer on Aug 1, 2025 4:20 PM CDT reply actions
I wouldn't mind having him in Burnt Orange today.
by Hippie Killer on Aug 1, 2025 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a fair comparison.
Remember - we all used to seeing zero player development along the O-line at that time. If you’re not going to do any coaching at all, you really need to be not coaching 4 and 5 star players.
by tronaldinho on Aug 1, 2025 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
RE: Habern
I mentioned earlier that OU’s strength on the OL was depth. That may be tested now.
RE: the others
Certainly Stoops could be hedging his bets, but we should see how the seasons plays out. Based on the reports leaking from camp, Franks may not be a great factor. Reynolds will likely start the first game, but if Metoyer is the 2nd coming, may not see the field as much later. Hayes may be a fig leaf.
by Quigley on Aug 1, 2025 4:32 PM CDT reply actions
If there was one spot on the field
Where they could afford to lose a guy, if you can ever “afford to lose a guy”, it was the interior of the o-line. That said, it’s not like this doesn’t still hurt however.
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by Jordan Esco on Aug 2, 2025 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Bob Stoop(id)s
Has sunk to a level I did not think existed in the known universe…. Or at least in the B12. He fits right in with Sabin and the rest of the $EC. He is beneath my contempt, what a self-serving unethical hypocrite.
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by Ron Worley on Aug 1, 2025 6:25 PM CDT reply actions
The only thing surprising about Stoops
Reinstating the WR crooks and cross-dressers is that it took him so long
by ransomstoddard on Aug 1, 2025 7:51 PM CDT reply actions
Reinstatement
I’d like to think I’d respond in the same way Nate does if Mack (God forbid!) reinstated a player with the misdeeds of Franks or Reynolds just because they played a position of need. I’ve got to say Stoops putting ‘em back on the team lacks any real surprise value. I’d have been more shocked if he didn’t reinstate the three.
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by coolhorn on Aug 1, 2025 10:58 PM CDT reply actions
Just to clear this up a bit
Bob sent three of his wide receivers on vacation for 3 months for breaking the rules? Yeah, that should really set a good example in Norman.
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by texitect on Aug 2, 2025 10:36 AM CDT reply actions
I'd be pissed off about a lot of these comments...
But so many of them are spot on.
“Oh noes! We can haz miss summr practicez??? Bitchez this waey!!! #YOLO”
-A direct (mis)quote from Trey Franks twitter feed.
by NateHeupel on Aug 2, 2025 12:19 PM CDT reply actions
Nate: Any thoughts on the internal impact on the program
if things don’t go well early on?
It seemed to me that part of last year’s second-half issues for OU were caused by off-field problems. (That certainly was the case with Texas in 2010.)
Thanks. Always glad for your input.
by edsp on Aug 2, 2025 6:35 PM CDT reply actions
Honestly, I'm not sure
Last year’s 2nd half issues for OU were very much caused by on-field problems, namely injuries. Ryan Broyles, Dom Whaley, Jaz Reynolds, and more. BWe’d have finished 12-1 or 13-0 if we’d stayed healthy. Of course, we’d have probably been sodomized by whichever SEC team we matched up with, so maybe it was for the best. I’ll readily concede that locker room and coaching quibbles made the situation worse.
Mike Stoops will be a steadying force on the defensive side of the ball. The guy is a better X’s and O’s defensive coach than Venables, but he still knows how to reach the players.
I’m not sure how well we’ve cleaned house to be quite honest. I thought we’d done a better job up until this point.
by NateHeupel on Aug 3, 2025 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
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