We Talkin' Bout Longhorn Practice!
The Longhorns had their first day in pads (well, shells and shorts) and I talked to Some People Who Know Things to find out perceptions so far. We're three weeks away from a Wyoming depth chart, and full pads will tell the true tale, but here are some interesting early snapshots:
Offense
- We had a spirited discussion about Dom Espinosa a few days ago and in the thread I mentioned "...his shoulder injury was pretty serious. He was weaker last year than he was as a high school senior." The details: Espinosa couldn't bench his body weight a year ago. Now he can rep it 10 times
- They're trying Ashcraft at OT. I received two conflicting stories on this, both make sense. #1 He's slow-footed, but can't be bull-rushed. With technique refinement, the hope is that he might be serviceable and become a true utility OL. #2 Kennedy Estelle was practicing with the freshmen, Hopkins is our true #3 OT, and Greenlea/Doyle aren't up to snuff. Placeholder
- Freshman WR Marcus Johnson is good
- Marquise is back. The coaches are being extra cautious with his return
- Everyone wants Bergeron vs. Edmond on inside drill
- Starting three wide set: Harris, Shipley, Davis. Harris at slot
- John Harris is bigger than several of our LBs. "His value goes up when pads go on"
- Ash is the "clear starter"
- None of our FBs can catch. Pads will reveal if they can block
- Jaxon Shipley is currently on a whole 'nother level, dawg
- Adrian Phillips with strong early camp. Wearing precautionary shoulder harness. Best DB in strip drills
- Duke Thomas will play a lot. Legit possibility as first or second DB off the bench
- Coaches in love with athletic ability of young safeties, but they're not ready for primetime Xs and Os yet. Good attitudes and willing learners
- Steve Edmond has "incredible hands and catches like a receiver"
- Demarco Cobbs begs to run Wildcat. Probably could
- "There are times when this defense will have 11 players out there who are athletic enough to do something with the ball after a pick, scoop and score a fumble, and finish plays with defensive touchdowns, not just turnovers"
- Diaz and postion coaches emphasizing to players that while pieces are all there, grinding every down separates good vs. elite defense. "If the offense struggles, you can win the game anyway"
- "Big 12 offenses will eventually score on you. Score on THEM."
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Anthony Fera seems to have sustained
a possible leg injury, out for at least 6 weeks.
Hooray!
/sarcasticArcherhooray
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by kriess on Aug 10, 2025 6:56 AM CDT reply actions
I see your sarcastic Archer hooray and raise you a sarcastic Archer quote
So what’s in the armory? Burglars Lana. That’s why I’m here and not up to my ears in stewardess. What else is in the armory? Well there’s a bunch of automatic weapons, rocket launchers, and uh about a jillion grenades. Oh. They may have fire superiority.
It's like Meow-schwitz in there!
by HornsRiverine on Aug 10, 2025 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Correction
He came in with a groin injury and re-aggrevated it. Coaches knew coming in that he was injured, and he wlll be brought along slowly as he heals. He is expected to contribute this season, per UT Athletic Dept.
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by kriess on Aug 10, 2025 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Son of a bitch!
It’s like Ash’s hamstring all over again!
by notsofst on Aug 10, 2025 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Its a legit injury
Pulled a groin, which is pretty damn important for a kicker. Poor guy. Wish him a quick recovery.
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by kriess on Aug 10, 2025 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
6 weeks puts him back in time for old miss
That might not be the worst thing in the world to get the frosh place kickers some experience in a situation where they can’t hurt us. As long as he’s back by the time conference kicks off we are fine- it’s not like you should want to see PK get redshirted imo.
by Wulaw Horn on Aug 10, 2025 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but it will cost Nick Jordan his redshirt. Guess he could always take it next year.
Which kicker did that awhile back? Redshirted his sophomore or junior year. Kris Stockton maybe?
by nordberg on Aug 10, 2025 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Do your really want to redshirt a kicker?
I don’t think I do. That doesn’t seem like a position that needs to have a ship for 5 years.
by Wulaw Horn on Aug 10, 2025 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel.
by BrickHorn on Aug 10, 2025 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
That's about Shipley and all...
But I really would have rather heard that Davis was on “a whole nother’ level”…
Nobody that has followed Jaxon’s recruitment and career is really all that surprised that he’s killing it!
I’ve never understood why receiver’s drop balls. As a former nickel back and FS it just never made sense to me. I can understand other aspects for failure… but if the ball hits more than just your fingertips you should be reeling it in. Why some of these guys don’t spend more time in front of the jugs machine I’ll never understand… :(
that’s awful news about Fera!
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by steveholt! on Aug 10, 2025 7:09 AM CDT reply actions
Several different sources
…have had really positive reviews on Davis thus far in camp, saying his route running has really improved and that he has taken on a leadership role for the offense.
He apparently looked very good on the LHN clips of practice as well.
The 247 reviews of the practices have said the WRs as a unit look much better than last year.
by Big(g) Ern on Aug 10, 2025 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Davis' problem has never been route running
He’s been able to get open from day 1. His problem is that he pursues the ball in the air with the passion of a DMV clerk. Unless he has a QB who can put it in his gut every time, which we all know he won’t, he’s about worthless.
He’s always going to look good in 1 on 1s, the real questions for him all involve moving to that next level.
by John Kocurek on Aug 10, 2025 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought his route running really went downhill last year and was clearly lethargic by the bowl game — hence Goodwin essentially becoming Ash’s #1 target. Appeared to me that he brought the same passion you mention he has shown in catching the ball to the other necessary aspects of the position.
by Big(g) Ern on Aug 10, 2025 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Great nuggets
One goofy question . . .If Edmonds has great hands, am I crazy for wanting to give him a few plays on offense in three TE/goaline sets?
He doesn’t play every down on defense, right? So it’s not like the situation where a guy playing both WR and DB could get up to 100 plays if you weren’t careful.
by Cirque Du Salado on Aug 10, 2025 7:10 AM CDT reply actions
agreed on edmonds
If Santos isn’t redshirting, then let him spell edmonds for a few reps on D so he can try a few reps at FB…I’m sure he would have no trouble finding someone to block either….
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by UTLawGrad on Aug 10, 2025 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Steve Edmond. Singular.
Sorry, pet peeve.
by Scipio Tex on Aug 10, 2025 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
common mistake
Most opponents after meeting him are seeing double anyway.
by CMDR on Aug 10, 2025 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
compared to this post ....
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… never had manna … IMHO.
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by Your "Friend" in the State Capital on Aug 10, 2025 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t mean to imply this was not a great Skipeeo post. —fanboy
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by Your "Friend" in the State Capital on Aug 10, 2025 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the update
Interesting about Cobbs, though I can’t imagine him ever coming off the field in the (mostly) pass-whacky Big XII. Also, does Mack Brown think that Ash is the “clear starter,” or does that come from Harsin/White/players?
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by Elm City Horn on Aug 10, 2025 8:02 AM CDT reply actions
A commenter on BON was watching drills on LHN
He said that Doyle was running at guard with the 2s and Ashcraft was indeed at tackle. I was surprised, but I wonder if the guy just didn’t see the right numbers or if it was just a one-time thing for a particular drill. While Ashcraft at least seems to have upside, that Doyle isn’t going to cut it at tackle is not a huge surprise. That said, he is still just RS-Frosh so I guess its too early to write him off completely. Does he have any future moving inside?
by Rickyspub on Aug 10, 2025 8:22 AM CDT reply actions
I like experimenting with Ashcraft
Seems buried on the depth chart since the McWhorter Household Guards have been fully complemented for most years with serviceable types while the House of Tackle and Center burned, might as well see if some value can be extracted as it seems like he shows up ready to play and has some positives.
by Dreadful on Aug 10, 2025 8:26 AM CDT reply actions
turnovers
I like the focus on turnovers. It is the last step to becoming an elite defense. Last yr the Secondary would not be described as ballhawks. Last yr we had 88 passes defensed and only 12 Ints. Compare the to OSU which was 87 and 24. Given the quality of the secondary, I would expect a number better than the average (which is ~21%).. If we get there the is another 6.5 picks
by codaxx on Aug 10, 2025 8:45 AM CDT reply actions
Half a pick
So is a half an interception when its fourth down and you intercept a deep ball, basically mimicking a punt?
by Rickyspub on Aug 10, 2025 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
unvarnished
Thanks for the unvarnished info. Good news or bad, great reporting for an info-thirsty audience. Thanks again. More later?
by panhandle2 on Aug 10, 2025 9:01 AM CDT reply actions
I'll pass on more stuff if it's of interest.
Super secret insider reports aren’t really my thing.
by Scipio Tex on Aug 10, 2025 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Just think of all the eHigh fives your missing out on
We could have known about Fera’s injury 12 hours before everyone else instead of 11. Virgins would have been sacrificed for you.
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by run Bevo run on Aug 10, 2025 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Great news about Espinoza.
If our O-line play improves, I see a great season ahead of us.
A&M;'s all-male cheerleaders, or "Yell Leaders", will be right at home when visiting Arkansas. It's like "Deliverance", but it's real...
by bevosteve67 on Aug 10, 2025 9:07 AM CDT reply actions
Indeed, great news.
…But we started a true freshman at center that couldn’t bench his own body weight due to injury…
McWhorter deserves every bit of the challenge he’s going to face at Penn State.
by texasengr on Aug 10, 2025 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Espinoza was a RS freshman
but he missed spring training of 2011, so he went into the season almost like a true freshman.
He’s one of about a dozen starters (both sides of the ball) who are key to our success this fall.
I’m from the school that believes a player shows the most improvement the year after his first extended playing time. That covers just about the entire offense; Walters and Mike Davis are about the only two starters who saw extended PT the year before last.
by edsp on Aug 10, 2025 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
The stuff about players is great and all,
but I require detailed descriptions of today’s custom practice jerseys. Fashion-forward? Sweaty-chic? What’s the low-down?
Love the “let’s score on the offense” mentality for the defense. It certainly won the A&M game for us, and we’ll likely need it again this year.
If we get even average competency out of the passing game, we’re going to be a tough draw.
by tronaldinho on Aug 10, 2025 10:06 AM CDT reply actions
I second the "tough draw"
One way to gauge our “toughness” is to consider what our opponents head coaches deem their hardest game to prepare for. How would Texas rank in this consideration? How would you defend our offense and how would you attack our defense?
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by Snide Aside on Aug 10, 2025 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Preparing for our offense,
If I had to prepare to play our ffense, I would make Ash beat me. I would stack the box to stop the run first.
I would not want to try and prepare for our defense…
by HarleyHorn82 on Aug 10, 2025 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Glad to hear that Diaz
Is pushing those kids to jump routes and strip balls.
Can’t think of any way an OC could take advantage of that….
by Philly Frog on Aug 10, 2025 10:35 AM CDT reply actions
No but a good qb with a strong pump fake could use it to get a few guys out of position.
Ala Geno Smith or Landry Jones.
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by AlDe2356 on Aug 10, 2025 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Steve Edmond has "incredible hands and catches like a receiver"
…goal line FB with play action pass catching potential against say…Oklahoma?
by Bobby_Batronic on Aug 10, 2025 11:12 AM CDT reply actions
Saw Joe Bergeron on All Access
Man he looks like a beast. I would pay to see the inside drill with Bergeron and Edmond. They bust shit up…
by HarleyHorn82 on Aug 10, 2025 1:10 PM CDT reply actions
Cable has a separate channel for this sort of thing....
I would pay to see the inside drill with Bergeron and Edmond. They bust shit up…
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by UTLawGrad on Aug 10, 2025 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
i love it when the defense scores. that gets in the offense's mind.
if the defense can scortz, then gets to go right back out there and do it again. hopefully. at the very least put a few people on their asses and take a break on the side lines.
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by texfan23 on Aug 10, 2025 1:20 PM CDT reply actions
Snide asked above about preparing against our offense....so lets do it
We know from week 4 on, we are going to get stacked D’s to stop the run…..if our O Line struggles, its going to all be on Ash. If the O Line also struggles also with Pass protect….its going to be a very long season….we are playing 6 Ten Win Teams starting with Ok State.
Any O line concerns ?
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by MeatchickenHorn on Aug 10, 2025 1:29 PM CDT reply actions
We Will be Considerably Better....
Aside from WVU, who we didn’t play, can you say the same of any of this year’s opponents?
by Bobby_Batronic on Aug 10, 2025 1:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe KSU and Tech? You can make an argument that OU will be better - although you could make an equally compelling argument that they will be worse or unchanged.
Definitely pretty easy to at least make an argument that everyone else is either taking a step back or has a ceiling similar to last year.
by Big(g) Ern on Aug 10, 2025 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I have yet to hear anyone argue that OU will be better—especially after their OL has been unexpectedly decimated this summer.
Don’t get me wrong…I’m not asking you to state that case, and it would likely make me nauseous. I simply haven’t heard it.
Steve
by Stiendam Hall on Aug 11, 2025 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
My concern is the O line who struggled mightily against decent defenses last year...
Granted I expect them to be better…..that being said, if we experience anything like what happened to OU this last week, then I can see difficulty in Ash having enough time. No holes being opened for the running game and a pressured ash scares me. (See Missouri game)
Karl..... Schiefen sie die fenster......SHOOT the GLASS
by MeatchickenHorn on Aug 10, 2025 2:09 PM CDT reply actions
Very true
All we can hope is that with one more year of experience, and one more year working with the OL and Strength coach will have them in better shape.
That and there was some turn over on some of the better D-Lines we faced, like OU replacing 3 D-Line starters… and we took Mizzou/A&M out of the picture whose lines gave us trouble last year.
All in all our O-Line should perform better this year.
by notsofst on Aug 11, 2025 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect timing
The weatherman brought cool air from the north this morning.
Cobbs could play Option QB if they would let him.
by 55f100tx on Aug 10, 2025 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
When you say 10-win teams,
you’re — of course — including W. Virginia and TCU.
Among West Virginia’s 2011 wins — Marshall, Norfolk State, Bowling Green, Maryland and Syracuse.
Among TCU’s 2011 wins — New Mexico, UNLV, Colorado State, Louisiana-Monroe, Portland State.
Put THOSE 10-win teams of 2011 against the 2012 schedules the teams will face, and they don’t add up to 10 wins. For either. Maybe 16 total between the two.
I’m glad we’ve added the Mountaineers and Frogs and I won’t miss whoever it was that left the Big XII. But it’s BNW* for WVU and TCU.
*bravenewworld
by edsp on Aug 10, 2025 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
Agree, neither will probably equal their 2011 records, but TCU will be tough and WVU will be a scoring machine....
I really believe we will beat OK State and give WV a real taste of the BNW…..I just want us to come out in a rage against OU and shove it down their throats….I’m just concerned about our O Lines capability and depth to do that against an OU type first quarter defense.
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by MeatchickenHorn on Aug 10, 2025 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point
you’re — of course — including W. Virginia and TCU.
Among West Virginia’s 2011 wins — Marshall, Norfolk State, Bowling Green, Maryland and Syracuse.
Among TCU’s 2011 wins — New Mexico, UNLV, Colorado State, Louisiana-Monroe, Portland State.
Of the above teams, which one would win a game, last year, in the Big 12 - if you pull out KU?
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by Snide Aside on Aug 10, 2025 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
One of W.Virginia's embarrassing....
…..losses was to Syracuse. Not a victory.
With that said, we can’t really beat our chest over our Ws last season. Our victories were at the expense of teams with a collective record of (47-55). We were 2 FGs removed from consecutive (5-7) seasons. As it is. we have a run of consecutive losing records in conference.
This team needs to play p!ssed off.
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by HornChamps on Aug 11, 2025 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Will we see a play on offense for Edmond?
somebody who can catch sounds promising.
by 55f100tx on Aug 10, 2025 2:19 PM CDT reply actions
If a viable FB does not emerge...
during fall practices, we’d be crazy to not consider some candidates from the defensive side of the ball for use in short-yardage/goal-line situations. Savvy NFL coaches have been doing it for years. Edmond seems a logical choice based on body type. Desmond Jackson might be another candidate.
by I am conVINCEd on Aug 10, 2025 2:53 PM CDT reply actions
are u insane?
Edmonds has a serious future at MLB. He is getting some of the best reviews. Let him play his position, which he has yet to even start at, before you think about having him play FB
by codaxx on Aug 10, 2025 4:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Codaxx
come on now, just one swing pass to Cobbs at full gallop angling for an Oklahoma Safety playing too tight.
by 55f100tx on Aug 10, 2025 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Re:
•Freshman WR Marcus Johnson is good
•Starting three wide set: Harris, Shipley, Davis. Harris at slot
•John Harris is bigger than several of our LBs.
Love the idea of Harris in the slot executing oblique blocks in space for the run game, but the potential of M.Johnson and Sanders to get open could be a real boon. The latter two are only true Frosh, but arguably they only have to be better than the opponents’ 3rd best DB. Opportunity awaits in the slot.
by triplehorn on Aug 10, 2025 2:58 PM CDT reply actions
Speed
For all of the improvements we have all talked about leading into this season (better OL play, more competent QB, Mike Davis reverting back to 2010 form, etc.), the one thing that is jumping out at me when I read all of the practice reports is that the incoming class is going to give us a helluva lot more speed on offense.
The last two years, we were essentially limited to DJ Monroe being the one guy that could take it to the house any time he touched the ball. With Marcus Johnson, Daje, JGray, and Kendall Sanders all apparently impressing, we are going to have a lot more weapons that can break explosive plays at any point.
by Big(g) Ern on Aug 10, 2025 3:41 PM CDT reply actions
Overstreet
I was watching practice on the LHN yesterday and they showed the QBs throwing the ball. Overstreet is an impressive looking athlete. I see why so many were happy he committed. I’m intrigued to see where his career goes as a Longhorn. Be cool if he turned out to be a great QB, but I just want to see him on the field.
by RomaVicta on Aug 10, 2025 5:14 PM CDT reply actions
I think he will see the field this year.
It looks like we have Qb’s lined up through the 2014 recruiting class. Taking two this past year and redshirting both might cause a log jam. Log jams are not good at the Qb position, it keeps talent off the field. I think he will see action.
by 55f100tx on Aug 11, 2025 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
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