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Brilliant.
I’m smarter for having experienced this. I’d like to think I know X’s and O’s better than the average fan, but didn’t know the keys to distinguish the inside zone immediately. Sweet. I like learning.
Still GoBR.
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by Wescott Eberts (GoBR) on Aug 15, 2025 1:05 AM CDT reply actions
Thanks a ton.
It’s super gratifying to know it was informative enough to engage someone who already knows a lot about football.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 5:32 AM CDT up reply actions
the keys
were a great add to the video. It makes such a big difference in knowing what’s going on if you can identify concepts quickly.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 15, 2025 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Ditto
Very well done, Longhorn Scott. I’ve read with interest a lot of football offense and defense, but this is the first time it’s been broken down to the point I will carry it forward confident that I can see and recognize it when it’s before me. Can’t wait for more.
by OldTimeHorn on Aug 15, 2025 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
OK, you're a genius and all
But that music stopped being funny after about a minute.
The football parts were great/insightful/helpful.
by Flipteach on Aug 15, 2025 1:30 AM CDT reply actions
working on a solution for you.
It’s meant to keep things moving and avoid feeling like the video is droning but if it’s distracting for some, I definitely will definitely post another version with no background music.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 5:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Future soundtracks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0D5u3EMfA
My source close to the program can beat up your source close to the program!
by burrito on Aug 15, 2025 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Great content!
I think the music is fun for the intro, but it became a distraction as I tried to concentrate on what you were saying. I think the occasional dialogue boxes can be fun, but I would humbly suggest that the words appearing while you are narrating can also be distracting. Too much input at once for this slow mind.
I’ve never found your presentations to be “droning.” I will finally suggest that you add elements to these fine videos purely for fun without worry that you must do so generate interest. The original product was quite good enough to keep people coming back.
Oh, maybe throw in a passing train sound effect from time to time.
Thanks again for the fine work.
by RomaVicta on Aug 15, 2025 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Always value your opinion, Roma V
A major part of this stuff for me is the interest in pushing myself to learn something new like video editing. That and the belief that you don’t really understand something complex if you can’t distill it to core ideas that can be easily communicated.
I’ll be doing some other forms of video presentation that I think will be closer to what you’re calling for, save one detail. My girlfriend and I bought a house in January about 3 blocks from where I lived last year… the interrupting train will no longer be my co-host.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
Never “too much information.”
That’s what repeated viewings are for, to pay attention to different aspects.
by CMDR on Aug 15, 2025 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
or
pick a new DJ. Your audience is middle aged white men
by codaxx on Aug 15, 2025 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Who you callin' middle aged?
I prefer to think I’ll live past 60
by BurntOrangeJuice on Aug 15, 2025 10:19 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Who you callin' square, daddio?
I’m a hep cat. Hubba hubba.
by RomaVicta on Aug 15, 2025 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Uhmmmm, ....... don't, k?
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by Your "Friend" in the State Capital on Aug 15, 2025 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I really liked the music. Just added the song on grooveshark, gracias.
by atxdman on Aug 15, 2025 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I considered
switching my handle to “The Beard”
We could have “Breakdowns with The Beard”. Sometimes it’d be about football but sometimes I’d just breakdown on camera.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 5:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I like it
I think with the proper PR campaign you could become a pop sensation. Breakdown with the Beard.
by codaxx on Aug 15, 2025 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I can't offer a dowry
But I do have HUGE… tracts of land.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Aug 15, 2025 9:51 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Very cool stuff
Great job, Scott. Super informative, and well-produced to boot. Great feature — looking forward to more in the series.
76-37-5. Now GTFO.
by Peter Bean on Aug 15, 2025 3:37 AM CDT reply actions
much appreciated, Peter
there will be more but this one was a chore.
Had to teach myself some new things and that’s can be a slow process if I’m not well caffeinated.
Should have another video feature dropping in the next week although probably not a playbook spotlight.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Can't believe I missed this before
“Should have another video feature dropping in the next week although probably not a playbook spotlight.”
Looking forward to watching your interpretive dance set to a dramatic reading of the latest Bill Little offering.
by CMDR on Aug 16, 2025 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome job
Can you post one with just the music and no video or X’s and O’s jibber jabber?
Looking forward to part 2: Fire Zone In Ya Pants
by Vasherized on Aug 15, 2025 7:07 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
I bet this post will make ESPN Sports Center’s “Lines of the Day” segment.
by Cirque Du Salado on Aug 15, 2025 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Incredible stuff
Very well done and informative. Watching that was by far the most productive thing I’ve done all day.
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by kriess on Aug 15, 2025 7:18 AM CDT reply actions
For various reasons over the years, I have evolved to a 'I don't need to see how the sausage is made"
kind of fan.
I got burned out.
But this information is delivered in a style that makes it interesting and comprehensible.
Thanks.
by srr50 on Aug 15, 2025 7:59 AM CDT reply actions
As Charlie Weis has probably said,
“I think we are living in a time of interesting sausage.”
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is this where you post
the obligatory question about how long it’s been since Weis has seen said sausage?
"I drank what?" ~ Socrates
by Ese-De-SA on Aug 15, 2025 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not sure he's ever "seen" a sausage.
We're going to play like we're in a bad mood.
by JoeT63 on Aug 15, 2025 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
One thing's of sure
He sure as hell hasn’t seen HIS sausage in a very long time
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by Ron Worley on Aug 15, 2025 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's where I am too
Maybe it’s living in California till I was 12 and not ever playing football in any organized way, but it’s the only team sport that I watch without really understanding what’s going on in a micro sense. Some of this stuff is really informative.
I love Scipio’s post b/c he writes beautifully and teaches- but it’s at the macro level not drilled down into the nitty gritty. Whenever people start talking basic fundamentals my eye’s sort of glaze over, but this is well done.
by Wulaw Horn on Aug 15, 2025 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Depends on where you are in your life too
I would imagine if you are like me, and your kids have started playing football in the last few years, all of this stuff becomes much more interesting……and the details of why plays work/don’t work becomes something you can connect with them on.
Same thing with track and volleyball in the Olympics this year. It all just became much more interesting.
by Horncasting on Aug 15, 2025 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Great work
I loved the dialog by the players. Never saw that done before.
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by Caradoc on Aug 15, 2025 8:05 AM CDT reply actions
Good job educating about zone blocking
One of the greatest misconceptions planted in the mind of Longhorn fans by Macwhorter and GDGD was the idea of zone blocking as a “soft” scheme.
Fans were taught that having Chris Hall try to reach block Suh was an example of zone blocking and drove to the message boards decrying a return to “power” football, and to this day still refer to “zone blocking” as a dirty word.
by CMDR on Aug 15, 2025 9:12 AM CDT reply actions
My understanding
and I could be wrong, but the there is validity to the “soft” characterization. On the power play, you are asked to move the man a particular way. Open a predetermined hole. The zone is more passive in the fact that you are supposed to stop penetration and allow the man to move in any direction and let the RB read the hole. It is more passive.
by codaxx on Aug 15, 2025 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Guessing Scott
could probably explain it better
by codaxx on Aug 15, 2025 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
it's not really soft
Blake Brockermeyer challenged that idea 2 years ago in one of those “Hog Call” segments with Scipio.
You get double teams on the defensive line, drive them backwards, and then the RB and OL momentum attack the linebackers at a downhill angle.
Outside zone can be a softer looking scheme because you have OL racing to the outside to seal off defenders and create creases rather than just knocking them down. And some schools run versions of Inside Zone that are softer than what you saw above. Oregon, for instance, doesn’t really try to knock people backwards, just get in their way.
Any scheme looks soft if the players are.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 15, 2025 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
not saying soft
but more predetermined. In other run schemes you are told to block this guy here and move him. Zone read blocking can be effective by not allowing penetration and using the defenders ’flow" against him. If he is slanting just stay in front, ride him, and let the RB find the whole. “Soft” is probably not the correct word, but a more passive scheme.
by codaxx on Aug 15, 2025 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
that's fair
you do react more after the snap.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 15, 2025 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
outside zone
is a positional battle. The offensive line is trying to play the defender off of himself. If he doesn’t flow fast enough he gets pinned out of the play, if he flows too hard you can ride him down the line. In theory the defense is always wrong. The problem is if you don’t have constraint that keeps the defense from just attacking the blockers toward flow. If a defensive tackle knows that there’s no penalty for aggressively attacking one way then he’s going to own your ass before you get a chance to gain any sort of leverage on him because it’s what he’s built to do. He’s laterally quicker, he accelerated faster, and he’s got quicker hands. That’s where the offensive line can start to look like rag dolls
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
this is why I wonder if it would be good to get oline guys that play both sides
of the ball in HS. They have the defensive aggression and speed since hands are a big part of what they do whereas an olineman is limited in his use of his hands.
by mdhorn on Aug 15, 2025 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember
that same discussion. You can Zone block without putting your linemen in a disadvantage. GD put the line in disadvantages and told them to zone block it.
by Monahorns on Aug 15, 2025 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
That's GDGD/Macwhorter reach blocking zone
Harsin/Searel’s zone, and most successful zone schemes for that matter are about attacking combo blocks, moving the line of scrimmage.
You’re right in that the single predetermined hole isn’t the sole focus, but its still about knocking your man backwards.
by CMDR on Aug 15, 2025 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
we are saying the same thing
yet, still arguing. Like talking to my wife.
by codaxx on Aug 15, 2025 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a short question with a long answer
It’s easier to talk about now that we have a well constructed run game but there were a number of problems with our run game over the years. Part of the issue that we always had under Davis had to do with not introducing enough doubt into the defensive front… that’s not just misdirection, it’s having run plays that inherently disguise each other. It’s something I’m going to try to explain more fully in the near future. The obvious exception to that was the zone read under Vince because if the front flowed with the blocking they could be wrong… devastatingly wrong.
Our inside zone for the majority of Davis’ tenure was not as physical as the inside zone you see from Texas today. There are several dynamics at play there and one of them is that over the past 15 years the branching of Inside Zone and Outside Zone has become more clear and they have both greatly benefited from the inclusion of gap schemes that bring back the possibility of down blocking.
Under Davis we were very focused on positioning in both inside and outside zone and we tried to make them look exactly like each other with the first step. That meant that in both plays were we starting with lateral steps. Since the front didn’t have to really worry about the backside of the play, they were able to flow with the blockers and attack them causing our blockers to either have to give ground or fail to get the proper leverage to execute their assignments. We weren’t the only team who experience that problem but we didn’t proactively problem solve it and the results were ugly.
Ironically, heading into 2010 we overhauled our run game schematically and actually had a much more updated and realistic approach. But at that point we were so far behind the curve and struggled with old habits and effort that it didn’t matter. The scheme is one part, but if you want a physical run game it has to be part of everything you do as a team.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I sensed
from watching much of the 2010 season, that our OL was actually at least average in run-blocking, but our effort and execution from the ancillary positions like TE and WR was really poor. And then, the play-calling and team effort was pretty poor as the season progressed.
It’s hard to be motivated to do your job when the rest of the unit is tanking the result anyways and the blame is still going to fall on your lap.
Good point on making IZ and OZ look the same. I had so much trouble distinguishing them when I watched the old teams. And regardless of the play, half of our backs ended up racing to the sideline to avoid Suh or a stunting LB anyways. Except Cody, he barely took a playside step before he was cutting back and trying to just knock people over.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 15, 2025 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
yes
“The scheme is one part, but if you want a physical run game it has to be part of everything you do as a team”
Running the ball is as much an attitude as it is schematic.
by codaxx on Aug 15, 2025 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely shocking that someone who stole every run play he ever called
Was not able to proactively adjust and solve the problem.
“Why don’t these damned X’s ever do what they’re supposed to do?”
by nobis60 on Aug 16, 2025 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks 1 mil for the info
I was of the school of thought that zone blocking involved baby faced dudes playing pattycake with angry DL until Vince or Colt made something up.
The keys to identifying inside zone were great as well. Often times I see these features, get educated on the concept, and then never can tell what the hell just happened in a live game. Really, it makes the game so much more interesting to see the chess happening.
Hopefully we’ll all be saying “Konichiwa, OU” this year.
by Tackchevy on Aug 15, 2025 9:32 AM CDT reply actions
You're not alone. A lot of fans thought the same.
one thing about zone blocking is that not all zone is the same. The specific blocking techniques vary a ton and the way you coach, constrain, and call a play are crucial to it’s success. Texas has a physical culture these days and you can see it in every aspect of the program from play design to practice pace. There were definitely issues with our play deisgn but probably more precisely the problem was with how we surrounded our zone plays and our approach to practice time, recruiting, and S&C. The run game was not GD’s jam.
Philosophically, I’m a big fan of pairing Zone and Gap schemes together which I think we do very well.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
As someone brought up below, DT's learn keys against a pure zone scheme
Mixing approaches leaves the DT’s and LB’s having to wait a half second to read, and that’s enough to get seals in gap blocking.
If we can find a tight end that can really block (Daniels? who knew?) and make a catch 80% of the time, a lot of OL are going to start to look better because they won’t be cleaning up the TE’s mess on every play. John Harris cracking from the slot should make teams with smaller LB’s (Land Thieves?) think hard. With some physical edge blocking, the offense can create as much indecision as Diaz’ fire zones impose on offenses.
by burnt in ny on Aug 15, 2025 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Nickel
I get so into them, it’s difficult to justify the time. Also, I lot of what I used to write about is covered incredibly well by LHS, Scipio and Wescott, I need a new niche. I’m thinking….
by burnt in ny on Aug 15, 2025 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Outstanding stuff
These breakdowns, along with Fake Ken Tremendous’s periodic breakdowns of Bill Little articles and other CFB goings-on, are my favorite content on this site.
If you’ll consider the humble requests of your rapidly growing fanbase, I’d love to see a breakdown showing how to differentiate inside from outside zone, and power-O from pin and pull. Also, I don’t know how often (if ever) Texas uses man blocking, but that could maybe be included in the same feature.
by HawkHorn on Aug 15, 2025 9:32 AM CDT reply actions
I've got something planned
on Gap Scheme that I think you’ll find to you liking. And I did a feature months ago on Pin N Pull if anyone hasn’t seen that:
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Great video!
LonghornScott, I enjoyed the video and especially enjoyed seeing the OL open a running lane long enough for the runner to speed through it. I did not find the background music distracting because it was so muted I could barely hear when you paused while talking. Great job and keep these posts coming. Some of us did not grow up with a brother or someone who could talk about the x’s and o’s. This helps us a lot.
by TexasBlonde on Aug 15, 2025 9:34 AM CDT reply actions
This feature was outstanding, but now...
..I’m interested in you. How is it you are so immersed in X’s and O’s of football? What is your background and what does you do for a living? :-)
"Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games."
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by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2025 9:46 AM CDT reply actions
no formal background
I teach/tutor math & physics.
Had a grandpa who was a really patient, awesome guy. We used to watch 49ers together sometimes when i was a kid and I think watching with him made me start to pay attention to the details. But also I just love the interplay of strategy and physical ability that play off each other in football. Nothing else like it.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Math & physics
That explains it. I’m embarrassed to say, as a pre-med student, I had to drop analytical geometry twice. This is why it is sometimes difficult for me to follow the intricities of your explanations.
I am surprised that Mack has not called you in for a little tutoring himself. Based on what I have read, they should make you a classroom teacher for the coaches themselves.
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by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2025 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Awesomeness
I didn’t mind the music. Any part where I got distracted is just another reason to watch it again. I enjoyed the dialogue boxes immensely, and particularly where Bergeron’s “Konichiwa bitches” synced up with the music for a very nice finale.
On another note, Scipio must be working on something epic. He has been conspicuously absent for an unusual amount of time which usually precedes the dropping on our collective asses of his next great masterpiece.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Aug 15, 2025 9:55 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think he's just out
of town for about 10 days. He was putting out a lot of content before he left.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I figured it was SOTU.
Can’t wait!
by BurntOrangeJuice on Aug 15, 2025 11:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Awesome feature
Thanks for putting stuff like this together, LS. Absolutely love it.
One question, though. Were the players mic’d up or are you just an excellent long-distance lip reader?
by ophorn on Aug 15, 2025 10:12 AM CDT reply actions
I'll make it three awesomes in a row
thanks dude, these are the bestest
by Texastough on Aug 15, 2025 10:17 AM CDT reply actions
that was great
your mastery of video editing has catapulted you into the internet aristocracy at the right hand of Scipio.
Fire Zones will be another fun one I think, coverages and run games would be very difficult. Partly because they are harder to discern, partly because there are so many of them.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 15, 2025 10:29 AM CDT reply actions
Holy cow, I hope you're getting paid for this
This was amazingly good. Seriously, I’d pay you for a steady diet of this!
by matonmacs on Aug 15, 2025 10:29 AM CDT reply actions
enough with the pay talk
we couldn’t afford him anyway. HE DOES IT FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAME.
by Vasherized on Aug 15, 2025 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
bonus time consists of several half used canisters of pomade.
by Big(g) Ern on Aug 15, 2025 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Watch you mouth young man, this is a family establishment.
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by Your "Friend" in the State Capital on Aug 15, 2025 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome job!
Thanks for sharing this with us. Looking forward to this feature on a regular basis
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by junglerules on Aug 15, 2025 10:30 AM CDT reply actions
I watch all your stuff. 10/10
And I like the music in the background, I think it helps the videos along.
I will be sharing these around the interwebs, and hopefully driving you some Youtube traffic.
by notsofst on Aug 15, 2025 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
Is there a Longhorn Scott reference volume?
If I ever have time, I think I’d like to pair this video, which breaks down the inside zone, with some of the other videos that provide the context for the play. It would be nice to see how other plays build on inside zone, how we counter off of it, and how defenses have to account for those options.
Anyway, how does one go about finding all of Longhorn Scott’s video pieces?
by tronaldinho on Aug 15, 2025 11:52 AM CDT reply actions
The best place to start
is LHS’s user page: link
Scroll down; every LHS post is there. Some of the youtube links are broken but I think they can be found with a little Googling.
by Dagga Roosta on Aug 15, 2025 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Bergeron and IZ
LHS: Great work.
I noticed a lot of Bergeron in that clip. Editor’s choice? Or did you notice that a disproportionate # of IZ calls came w/ Joe B. in the backfield?
Just curious. Joe and Malcolm have fairly different running styles. Would be interesting to see if/how Harsin was modifying the play calls to suit the back.
by Alphahydro on Aug 15, 2025 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
Good observation
The nice thing is that both backs have a number of strengths and that means that they may both excel in more situations than most running backs. Longhorn fans know they have a lot of ball handling talent on campus right now but I don’t think they realize just how much. The next two-three years are going to be fun.
I think Joe has a skillset that is really scary from a defensive perspective. As you can see in a lot of those clips his has the ability to bounce out and cut back in a way that you just don’t expect for a back his size. It’s one of the main reasons why the Ricky comparisons keep popping up. Inside Zone is really nice for his skillset as well as the lead plays we run. If there was an area of weakness as a runner last year it was that he didn’t always help his blockers out / take advantage of holes because he was a little too quick to cut or bounce. So it’s been really encouraging to hear about his progress with regards to patience.
I love Brown as a runner. I don’t think he’s quite as dangerous as Berg but his is a damn efficient runner and in a game where my line was having to fight for every inch, I would take him in a second. I think he’s probably a better option early in games when the defense tends to be harder to run on. From a gross offensive strategy perspective he’s a guy that can turn a lot of 0-5 yard opportunities into 5-10 yard gains and that’s huge from a game theory standpoint.
I think both guys have enough tools that they can be effective at anything the playbook. Practice is a live experiment at seeing where they feel like they each guy produces marginally better but I think it will have more to do with how our offense matches up with the defense that determines which plays we lean more on from week to week.
Then you add in Gray. Along with D. Johnson, and Monroe as ball handlers that bring explosive threat as constraints to our running concepts. I think we may have as much or more raw running talent on campus right now as at any time in our history.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Knock on wood, but that’s pretty much exactly how I see Brown and Bergeron.
I think a lot of people don’t appreciate how shifty Brown is. It really pops when you compare their highlights back to back:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPGRJOrD1f0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td6DDCTnfcw
And I love how punishing Bergeron is. There’s a clip from the spring game in your video where he appears to literally take aim at Leroy Scott. Reminds me of a run in the Tech game where he obliterated the safety who stepped into the hole. Not a guy I want to tackle in the fourth quarter.
by Alphahydro on Aug 15, 2025 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I would argue blocking Suh
In pretty much any scheme is a tough draw for the OL. There is nothing inherently soft about zone blocking. (The Bronco’s won two Super Bowls and pretty much dominated the league in rushing for Shannahan’s tenure running nothing but zone blocking with 3rd-6th round running backs). I don’t think I ever heard an opposing DL calling the Bronco’s soft. No what I heard a lot about was whining about being cut blocked. Which, I think Alex Gibbs loved as much for the intimidation factor as for sealing the backside.
Zone blocking, like zone defense in basketball is essentially about covering an area as opposed to a man. It help the line to account for stunts and blitzs. It also allowed the Broncos to play an undersized line but with more athletic linemen. (They pretty much were the only team interested in lineman under 300#).
The idea that you are allowing the DL to “go where they want” is wrong. Initially the idea was to get them flowing playside and then just keep moving them in that direction (it’s physics!) and allow the running back to pick a running lane.
I completely agree with Scott that the previous line problems at Texas had more to do with the overall design of the running game (lack of constraint plays other than VY)
That said, I think it’s misleading to describe the first step as “lateral” in zone blocking, and this misconception may contribute to the idea that the linemen aren’t “firing out” at the DL. At least the way i understand the first step it is taught as a short inch step at an angle toward the playside. The angle can vary by coach, I think it’s easiest just to say 45 degrees since lineman are stupid and don’t understand the subtleties in.angles. I kid I kid.
I’m not trying to be overly pedantic, but I do think it’s important to understand that the linemen aren’t taught to move sideways.
by texitect on Aug 15, 2025 11:58 AM CDT reply actions
I've always been under the impression
that linemen are generally some of the smarter kids out there. They have arguably more to take into account on every play than anyone else on the field, except for the QB.
I know you were kidding, just wanted to throw it out there.
by horn-slaw on Aug 15, 2025 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
good points
but if you compare what some teams are doing with their zone implementation now you see a lot of the most effective teams are getting away from that tight definition of initial footwork and having their covered defenders take better advantage of their position instead of trying to lure the defense into over pursuing. This is a direct response to how accustomed defensive linemen have become to attacking that uniform step and ripping themselves into the backfield.
We didn’t update our approach with our zone under Davis and I think understanding how to manipulate the front was something that he just struggled with throughout his tenure. There’s a reason why the only time we could successfully deal with a heavy blitz team was when we had a badass QB… Davis understood solutions to problems through the passing game.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
That's perhaps a bit generous
Davis understood solutions to problems through the passing game.
The short passing game was the hammer by which Davis tried to turn all problems into nails. I don’t think he came in the neighborhood of real solutions very often.
by tronaldinho on Aug 15, 2025 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
From your beard, to our ears
Great work, Scott! Thanks for this.
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by BrickHorn on Aug 15, 2025 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
The ultimate constraint
Isn’t Holgorsen’s packaging of the stick/draw the ultimate constraint play because it re-directs the focus of the play post-snap while eliminating the defense’s keys?
If so, why hasn’t it been integrated into every playbook?
If not, please explain why not.
by Quigley on Aug 15, 2025 12:45 PM CDT reply actions
It's a nice constrait for sure
And I think you will a lot of programs have pulled it into what they are doing. Our sweeps actually accomplish a lot of the same things because it’s forcing the linebacker who already has a little too much on his plate to make an inside or outside decision. The obvious difference is that stick/draw is an actual read so theoretically the linebacker is always wrong. You’ll see stuff like IZ with stick routes too popping up a lot I would guess. There is a question of how far downfield the refs are going to allow blocking to flow before they call it and I think you’ll see teams testing that boundary this year.
It’s not some sort of unstoppable concept though. All you have to do is attack that stick from an unexpected coverage (like a safety rolling down or a corner sneaking in) and your QB is reading the wrong man. Is not dissimilar to how the scrape exchange rose as a response to the zone read.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahh---next steps
- The routes of the rest of the receivers should be organized to inflict damage if the safety or CB attack the stick.
- Though the blocking is for a run, because this is a run/pass vs. run/run constraint, once it is run a couple of times, the DL pressure should also be mitigated.
Please correct me at any (every) point and thanks.
by Quigley on Aug 15, 2025 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
So what happens against a fire zone where the DE
is dropping right along the window to the stick?
-QB can’t find his read
-Passing window to the stick route is a pick 6 waiting to happen
-Draw play is facing an 8 man front
But the main thing is that anything that confuses which defender is actually defending the stick is going to mess up the stick/draw. Doesn’t mean that might not still get something out of the play since the QB may complete the pass anyway or the RB may make something happen with the draw but you lose the read when the defense exchanges responsibilities unless you are really well schooled and can get to a secondary read in that teeny time window between the snap and when QB needs to decide.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Got it, however...
1. Don’t you have to “luck into” that defensive call?
2. Since the DL is reading draw and shouldn’t be rushing the QB, won’t the QB have time to find a secondary passing read?
BTW, you could make a living doing this. Thanks again. q
by Quigley on Aug 15, 2025 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
draw blocking feels like pass blocking initially
so dline is in passing rushing mode.
If you are playing a team that likes to attack the curls and hooks with concepts like this, then as a DC I’m building a gameplan to give them a consistently confusing picture there.
Diaz thinks of Fire Zones as one of his base defenses. I am planning on doing some analysis in the near future that I think will show off some of what makes his defense a pain in the ass.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
should be good stuff
I heard a Diaz quote that I think illustrates this perfectly, “Have a purpose with every blitz, try and take something away with each call” or something like that.
Point is, people think of Fire Zones as a tool for getting to the QB but they are much more than that. A Fire Zone call may intend to attack a specific part of the protection and they should always result in pressure, but they may be designed to encourage a particular ineffective throw on 3rd down, or attack certain gaps in anticipation of particular run calls, etc.
On the draw/stick combo: Sometimes the FZ 8-man front can be vulnerable. Especially if you have, say, Gideon coming down to play Hot 2 to the boundary and then you give up a draw run up the backside A-gap and Gideon has to change directions and try and make a fill while the Hot-3 defender is yards and yards away from his gap because he’s facing #3 to the field in a 3×1 set.
Sometimes the spread can really stress a FZ call, even in the run game, if it’s called at an inopportune time or someone misses an assignment because the back 6 have so much ground to cover.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 16, 2025 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
sounds like the football equavalent
to the triangle offense.
by mdhorn on Aug 15, 2025 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Re: music
FWIW, I think your mix levels are fine; some people just have a low tolerance for music they don’t like. But if you want a little trick for voiceover mixing, use some graphic EQ to cut out about 25-35% of the background track level in a band around 100-500 Mhz. That should prevent the background track from muddling with the clarity of the voiceover and should generally make it less distracting while still being able to use the beat and pace of the music.
by Dagga Roosta on Aug 15, 2025 12:46 PM CDT reply actions
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Here I was struggling with trying to understand the stick/draw concept (what the hell is a stick/draw?) and you have to throw in your bit about voice over mixing.
I’m heading for the liquor cabinet!
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by Snide Aside on Aug 15, 2025 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Woooooo! LHS!
It was another good read. Thanks for the time you spent on that.
by Monahorns on Aug 15, 2025 12:52 PM CDT reply actions
I’ve been walking around all day randomly muttering “Konichiwa bitches”
by BurntOrangeJuice on Aug 15, 2025 2:43 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
So, pretty much a normal day then?
by tronaldinho on Aug 15, 2025 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
That was weird.
I just posted that. Then, I see the little black box pop up in the lower right corner of my screen, so I look to see who just posted a comment and lo and behold it has my screen name and a duplicate of my post appears. I have Scully and Mulder on the line…
by BurntOrangeJuice on Aug 15, 2025 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
LHS-
I’m glad that my snark about the music didn’t completely derail the thread. My thanks to you and the many other Barkers who know so much about the football for a great discussion of blocking philosophies.
In the future, I don’t think you have to go without music entirely. And I liked the track just fine, but at about the 1:24 mark it got hard to tune it out and listen to your bearded mellifluence. At that point, those of us without the PhD in football-ology had to put on our thinking helmets and concentrate.
Maybe keep the music for intros and closings (the Konichiwa at the end was well synched), but fade it out for the main discussion. Alternatively, instrumental might be less distracting than songs with lyrics – my main issue was the occasions when I found myself thinking "what did she just sing?" I don’t think you have to worry about keeping things peppy; we’re here to dive into the depths.
Also, feel free to tell nitpickers like me to kiss off. Definitely.
by Flipteach on Aug 15, 2025 5:25 PM CDT reply actions
I want more swedish techno gangster rap.
Eff these bitches if they can’t take a joke.
Also, I think front seven run fits and why we keep hearing about our guys screwing them up would be good.
by The General on Aug 15, 2025 5:31 PM CDT reply actions
Nice. That was really good.
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by Reggieball on Aug 15, 2025 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
Great stuff. You should probably create one of these per day for the next 365 days just to sharpen
your editing skills. Just think of you, that’s all. No self-interest involved whatsoever.
by WreckerTex on Aug 15, 2025 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Combination block
The guard and center, for example, double on a tackle; then one of them finds a lb to block. Is that right? Do they know who will release the block based upon alignment or is it decided during the play?
Is the release timed, or do they both make sure the tackle is out of the play before releasing?
by JDBecker on Aug 15, 2025 9:31 PM CDT reply actions
It's definitely a post snap decision
and a lot of has to do with how the first level defender is reacting to the combo. I certainly don’t know the specific coaching points there. Main thing is that you want to keep your shoulders square and stay on track as you work that combo and then continue on your track upfield and get a hat on anything in your path. You just do not want to chase a block to the inside.
Your description on a combo is right on. A zone combo specifically refers to combo blocks that flow toward the playside where Gap combos are based on down blocks on the first level and then getting to a second level target.
by LonghornScott on Aug 15, 2025 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
great video
and big thanks LS! I can see how an offense would salivate at the opportunity to face a 3-4 D or run wildcat since there’s a lot of freedom (trust) in the rb’s and qb. From a defensive perspective, do you run a 4-3 ideally or stack the line and make the Horns pass? Guess this also why it’s important to get solid DE’s to go along with the badboy DT’s. I’m also wondering how come Urban Meyer was pummeled so badly post Tebow—was it just bad recruiting? Thought he was the master at wildcat or offensive genius. Thoughts?
by mdhorn on Aug 15, 2025 11:27 PM CDT reply actions
if you don't mind a non-LS answer
Post-Tebow the Gators had a collection of prima-donnas with little leadership in the upperclassmen and their QB was Brantley, who was not a threat in the QB option game.
The program unraveled and it’s worth considering how much of a role Tebow had in focusing all of their immature talent while he was there.
Vs. the Texas offense: I don’t think the 4-3 is inherently better off than the 3-4. If you run the 3-4 and have a legit monster at nose tackle it can be really hard to get leverage to combo-block him since he’s lined up over the center.
Anyways: as of last year the best way to handle the Texas offense was to stack the line and force us to pass. Although: I think that if you had a good enough DL to play an honest front without getting gashed, there could be opportunities against our QBs from having defenders sitting in zones ready to jump our passing game routes. I doubt we have much complexity installed in our reads and one of our QB’s can’t beat coverage with his throws.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 16, 2025 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
a NR response is always appreciated
“If you run the 3-4 and have a legit monster at nose tackle it can be really hard to get leverage to combo-block him since he’s lined up over the center.”
The quickest distance between two points is a straight line but there’s not that many monsters in the big 12 or not this year. Seems like usually the defense reflects the offense in some way.
So our qbs really are a weakness. I’ve been kind of lulled to sleep by LSU’s and Bama’s mediocre qbs. But since the Horns don’t have the line these hosses do, everything else needs to be sharper. Also, their defenses really help out the offenses.
Can the qbs run timing plays so that there’s less margin for a to? Maybe a quickslant or out? Plus I think screens could play more of a role in our passing game going forward or will the wildcat pretty much take that over? Envisioning Gray and Daje here. It’s interesting how the game has changed to wr’s finding a hole or seam secondary, rb’s finding the hole or patiently waiting for a lane, qbs calling an audible…it’s like an amoeba offense—gone are the days of scribbling a play in the dirt.
by mdhorn on Aug 16, 2025 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
nose
it’s easy for a center to engage a nose, but not everyone wants their center to engage with the nose, if it’s someone like Randall.
It would probably be helpful to know that the difference between the LSU QBs and McCarron last year and Ash or Case is comparable to the difference between Greg McElroy and Vince Young.
What Alabama got from McElroy was much, much greater than what we got at QB last year. He didn’t have a cannon arm or great accuracy but he didn’t throw picks either. Hardly ever, in fact.
Here’s the trick with timing plays: The QB needs to know where to put the ball and the WR needs to know where to be and that requires both of them reading the coverage. When you can master stuff like that it’s really hard to stop (McCoy-Shipley), but it’s hard to get there in college unless you do little else (Leach tech teams).
I bet we see a lot of screens this year. Hopefully we throw more RB screens in there this year. Harsin ran those really well at Boise. Just need to keep safeties on their heels first so they aren’t flying downhill on all the runs and screens.
by Nickel Rover on Aug 16, 2025 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
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