Chip Kelly, From The Ducks To The Bucs?

Pete Carroll approves of this career move.

All sorts of rumors going on up here, leading to many Carroll comparisons. I think even Duck fans are starting to think Oregon may not be the cleanest program.

Am I the only one who thinks his style of offense will not work at the next level?

Pinche:

I have serious doubts about your reading comprehension abilities.

Two playoff teams and Cam Newton in the division. Good luck, Chip.

Actually I think he’s a smug, cheating asshole and I’m a Saints fan so I hope he fails miserably.

My Duck buddies are telling me it sounds like a done deal.

Leaving this close to signing day is quite remarkable and really screws Oregon. I don’t see Peterson taking the job, but look out for Patterson. If it happens, it happens very, very quickly and TCU could be the one standing without a chair. They better start working right now in Fort Worth.

Just read the title and the discus part. Now I realize that was stupid thing to say. I now have doubts about your discussion leadership skills, jk…

How about what precedence is there for his style of offense in the NFL i.e. does what Denver did make the Tampa Bay people think he can pull it off? Or does Tampa bring in a offensive coordinator and just want Kelly’s experience implementing the up tempo part of an offense.

The heat from the NCAA (ha ha ha ha!) must be cranking up a bit.

Cheaters never prosper, except in the real world NCAA and the NFL. It’s the children who suffer for their sins.

Oh, goody. Giants-Patriots Super Bowl redux.
Loved the first time. Cringe at this one.

The TCU job will always have hurdles, but last time I checked it didn’t have the NCAA up its ass.

Tell your Duck buddies they aren’t the draw they think they are and I agree it makes no since what so ever for Tampa to hire Kelly in the first place.

As much as we all look forward to watching Chip fail a la Saban/Petrino, he is really screwing Oregon. What are the odds Nike pulls the contract as soon as the investigation shows the already known?

A lot of DFW kids are going to be bored with 7 on 7 this summer.

Could be posturing by Kelly for a big raise. Hard to justify in these economic times giving a coach - especially one with an NCAA issue - a massive raise. But if the pros come calling? Much easier.

How does Kelly compare right now with the money being thrown at some of the new coaches now that the new P12 contract is in play. I mean, if Washington State’s paying $2 mill a year for Leach, then I have to think Oregon wants to be a $4 mill a year job.

Yes, coaching salaries have become a sort of program status symbol, just like the biggest stadium HD screens and ultra-modern weight rooms.

I’ll be stunned if Kelly leaves.

GOF,

So this is all about a raise? Seems like a bad way to do business.

Why the hell would Patterson bolt TCU for Oregon? NCAA smoke cloud engulfing Eugene. Not to mention TCU is entering a new phase by joining the Big 12 and finally being in an AQ conference.

Not sure just how many $2m+ per year jobs suck, but replacing Chip Kelly at Oregon will be one of them.

I said that about replacing Pete Carroll at USC though - turned out pretty well for Kiffin so far.

^^Exactly. Patterson has a good thing going in Fort Worth. Kinda like what Kelly has going in Oregon, except without all the cheating.

If Kelly leaves, it must be bc the heat is on. There is no other reason to leave Oregon right now.

Yowza. What a prick Chip Kelly is, hm? It’s one week ‘til signing day. Unless Peterson or Patterson say “yes” they’ll likely be coachless on Feb. 1.

I wonder how Thomas Johnson is feeling right now…

Over the past few years, Phil Knight has pumped $350mil into Oregon athletics. They are the only program other than Texas with the money and facilities to bring in whoever they want as a coach. Considering the sanctions hanging over the program, they may need that money to convince a coach that burning his reputation by leaving a program a week before signing day was worth it.

Too Graham has to be laughing at this. He is about to get bumped down to third on the coaching douchebag list behind Chip Kelly and whoever screws their program by leaving for the Oregon job. You just don’t screw your current program by leaving them without a head coach a week before signing day. No coach’s reputation can survive a move like that.

Latest is that he is staying put.

Hey Thomas Johnson, long time no hear.

Tex in Oregon, Patterson isnt going anywhere. It would take Texas calling to pry him away from TCU.

Aren’t these the usual chain of events that preclude a series of NCAA sanctions? Oh, sorry I was getting them confused with that other Pac-12 program that typically pays their players….

He ain’t a goin’ nowhere ….. for now.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7492379/chip-kelly-oregon-ducks-passes-tampa-bay-buccaneers-offer-general-manager-says

Big Al,

Todd Graham’s not laughing about this, he is calling his agent right now to get a hold of Knight and UO.

Oh, the UO job pays $3.5M and you basically are answering directly to Knight and a crony of his who is the AD.

Think of it as a cross between working for T-Boone and a power ball lottery winner.

How many spread teams have to win the superbowl before everyone stops doubting the system? Of course it could work at Tampa Bay. Looks like we won’t see it though.

ESPN reporting that Kelly has withdrawn his name from consideration … “his heart is in Oregon” (along with Knight’s checkbook).

Nickle,

Which team won a Super Bowl running the spread option?

Not a passing based offense, but a running based offense. I am still waiting for the first one.

Sounds like Knight made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Still damages the recruiting for this year and especially next.

Davey:
Which team tried?
By your reasoning no one would have attempted the first forward-pass based offense. It was impossible to win the superbowl with the West Coast offense…until someone did it.

Tebow wasn’t supposed to be able to win a playoff game running spread option stuff yet here we are. They didn’t even run a very comprehensive or coherent spread option either, for that matter.

Where are we?

They got their asses pounded by NE and lost on average of over 20 points a game running that offense.

Yep, Kurt Warner was hell running the zone read for Mike Martz, loved Peyton Manning on the speed option, and no one could stop Wes Welker on the flysweep.

See, you don’t have an answer. You threw shit out there and if the best you can offer is Tim Tebow you aren’t swimming upstream, you are swimming up fucking Niagra Falls.

Here is a newsflash Nickel we have seen prior to these past few years teams in the NFL run multi-receiver sets with a very mobile quarterback in the shotgun make it to the Super Bowl. It was the Cowboys in the 70’s with Roger Staubach.

It wasn’t impossible to win the Super Bowl to win with a West Coast Offense because we saw it before if was the West Coast Offense. When the hell will the ESPN generation learn the history of sports is longer than 20 years ago. Go back and see if you can find information on guys like Van Brocklin, Kilmer, and Paul Brown.

Nickel, here was your original response. “How many spread teams have to win the superbowl before everyone stops doubting the system?”

I responded with,

“Nickle,

Which team won a Super Bowl running the spread option?"

Now I didn’t take that many classes at Texas and don’t know nearly as much about football as you, but exactly which team won the Super Bowl running the spread option?

Davey:
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
How many teams have tried to win a superbowl running the spread option? The answer is maybe one, the Tebow Broncos. They were 1-3, installed Tebow with some spread-option packages, and made it to the playoffs where they defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers. Name another team that’s attempted to employ these schemes in the NFL. You can’t condemn the scheme on a sample size of 1. Particularly when that sample doesn’t suggest failure.

I could just as easily say: “How many teams have won a superbowl with Cam Newton!” And point to the lack of examples to demonstrate that such a thing would be an impossibility. Nice try.

“They got their asses pounded by NE and lost on average of over 20 points a game running that offense.”

What a silly and clearly dishonest response. What else would you expect a team of that caliber to do against New England? The question is whether they gained any advantages by employing the spread-option with Tebow as opposed to another system. Clearly they did, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

Do you assume that every team Belichek murders has a scheme that can’t work in the NFL?

As far as the West Coast offense: Teams weren’t running Bill Walsh’s plays and practices before Bill Walsh. People said his system couldn’t win the superbowl. Then he won a bunch of superbowls. The example stands.

Nickle,

I am sorry to question your profound knowledge and judgement on these matters and do such meaningless things such as directly quote you where you said someone has actually won a Superbowl and then question you when you provide such a concise and accurate response as the Tim Tebow led Denver Broncos.

Dude, read your last response. Are you so full of yourself that you can accuse me of being intentionally obtuse and providing silly and clearly dishonest responses.

What I am is an ass who can clearly be a major league prick, but what I am not is someone so deluded the type what you just wrote above. Holy fuck son you either need to stop drinking or professional help.

If Tebow could throw the shorter routes, they’d run the spread a hell of a lot less.

Reading comprehension.
I said that one team had tried to win a superbowl running the spread option. The Broncos. Although you could quibble and say that what they have done isn’t exactly the spread-option since they use a lot of Aces Formations, but that wouldn’t hurt my argument.

What does what I think of myself have to do with whether you are being obtuse or intellectually dishonest? They are unrelated.

sorry, I just had a mental breakdown. The Tebow running the spread passing thing was a total snafu.

A college HC can f*ck over his entire program a week before signing day, but you do not f*ck over Phil Knight. Ultimately there aren’t enough Adidas and Under Armour programs to provide a safe haven.

It would be akin to Haley Barbour releasing the cream of the MS convict population. Unless your goal is to be completely unemployable in your chosen profession; in that case, have at it.

Patterson would take the UT job pretty much never. You guys need to realize your stakeholders have turned that smile upside down; I’m not sure Newt Gingrich would enjoy being a head coach there.

Here’s a thought experiment: try to imagine a Joe Paterno in Austin. Doesn’t fit, does it?

hahahahahaha. I’m so excited to interact with TCU fan.

Here’s a thought experiment: try to imagine a Joe Paterno in Austin. Doesn’t fit, does it?

No, no it doesn’t. What’s more, no sensible UT fan (and certainly no UT alum) would want it to fit. Texas is much more diverse than that as a program, and Austin as a city is much more diverse than State College.

BTW, welcome to the B12. My smile as both a fan and an alum is right-side-up, as is that of our new coaching staff. So, talk all the shit you want; we’ll kick your asses next year on the field; and broader than that, we’ll kick your asses over a 20 year timespan much more often than you kick ours.

Patterson would take the UT job pretty much never. Patterson would take the UT job pretty much never. You guys need to realize your stakeholders have turned that smile upside down; I’m not sure Newt Gingrich would enjoy being a head coach there.

T

Hail the new king of the Big 12!

Can you send us directions to your campus? Google couldn’t find it.

No you didn’t and the beauty of the inability to edit on here is you can go pull things.

Here is your first response:

“How many spread teams have to win the superbowl before everyone stops doubting the system?”

Tell me where that indicates that a team had tried to win the Superbowl running the spread option?

Here is your second response which I think clearly shows you have a much great ability to understand what you are asked than my feeble mind.

“Davey:
Which team tried?
By your reasoning no one would have attempted the first forward-pass based offense. It was impossible to win the superbowl with the West Coast offense…until someone did it.”

Oh, and in regards to the fact NO ONE ran Bill Walsh’s plays Paul Brown says hello.

Now in reply three you continue to move farther away from the simple question of which team actually has won the Super Bowl running the spread option.

“Davey:
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
How many teams have tried to win a superbowl running the spread option? The answer is maybe one, the Tebow Broncos. They were 1-3, installed Tebow with some spread-option packages, and made it to the playoffs where they defeated the Pittsburgh Steelers. Name another team that’s attempted to employ these schemes in the NFL. You can’t condemn the scheme on a sample size of 1. Particularly when that sample doesn’t suggest failure.”

What I love here is that you note that Denver did not even install the full spread-option offense but solely packages and in response to the sample size after New England adjusted at half of that first game how did the other halves play out? Sorry, that was obtuse of me.

Finally,

“Reading comprehension.
I said that one team had tried to win a superbowl running the spread option. The Broncos. Although you could quibble and say that what they have done isn’t exactly the spread-option since they use a lot of Aces Formations, but that wouldn’t hurt my argument.”

I truly am speechless.

Here’s a thought experiment: try to imagine a Joe Paterno in Austin.

I’d settle for a good Italian restaurant.

Davey:

I’m left to conclude that you are badly misunderstanding me.
My first point was that the spread has taken hold in the NFL, teams are winning with it. It’s silly to doubt teams with spread principles.

You countered that while the spread has been successful, no spread-option teams have found success.

My response is that teams in the NFL aren’t running the spread-option, except the Broncos. To attack the spread-option with the argument that it hasn’t won any superbowls is ridiculous because only one team has even employed it.
Much like it would be stupid to criticize Cam Newton by saying “No team with Cam Newton has ever won a superbowl!” Well, only one team has featured Cam Newton on their roster and they’ve only had 1 try.

There isn’t enough evidence to determine if the spread-option could result in a superbowl win. If you have other objections you can present them but this is one makes no sense.

holy crap… is this the Chip Kelly, pay the Oregon players with metallic helmets post or is it the NFL Offensive Playbook argument thread…. holy hell…

Philly Frog, that was cosmically retarded. You could split atoms with that kind of stupid. I think the people at CERN might have use of you.

This should get the thread back on track…

Here’s a thought experiment: try to imagine a Joe Paterno in Austin. Doesn’t fit, does it?

No it doesn’t. And frankly I don’t see anyone who is deceased as being a particularly good fit.

Here’s a thought experiment: try to imagine a Joe Paterno in Austin. Doesn’t fit, does it?

he could fit in at the cemetery just across I-35 from the Denius Fields…

nunna, what about johnny cash? not as a youngster, but a mature johhny.

I’m a college football fan so I didn’t want Chip Kelly to go to the NFL as Chip makes college football better. However, I was intrigued by something different coming to the NFL, which I find boring, and wanted to see how he’d do at TB.

I wasn’t rooting for the Pats, but I do enjoy the snippets of Mizzou’s 2007 offense BB runs. Spread, empty backfield, two pass catching TEs, hurry up, no huddle….. That was mildly interesting.

Tebow is just terrible at running the spread option, but I was happy to see someone try it. The NFL needs some variety.

Funny…I couldn’t find where Phil Knight bought the NCAA. I figured the threat of what they might do to the Ducks was what was driving the Chip Kelly talks with Tampa Bay. Knight must have promised Kelly a raise and the use of some of his lawyers if the NCAA comes calling.

Seriously, the idea of Kelly leaving Oregon for a low level NFL job makes little or no sense. He’s got a birds’ nest on the ground in Eugene, high school players’ agents begging him to take their players, he’s tapped into Phil Knight’s bank account, and he doesn’t have to win a national championship, as long as he keeps putting teams on the field that at least look like they can win it. Hell…he has to have the biggest uniform budget in the NCAA, courtesy of Knight, who has also seriously upgraded Oregon’s facilities to the tune of 350 million. Oh, and he coaches in a very winnable PAC 12.

Bottom line…I would imagine his flirtation with Tampa Bay got or gets him a nice raise. That’s okay…Phil Knight can afford to keep his football coach.

I’ve never seen this much emotion invested in the spread offense. It’s really sort of moving.

I don’t know if it is “emotion” per se, but I have seen a lot of effort put into some pretty offensive spreads. Mostly on PornHub.