Weekend Developments

Great read, thanks!

Do you think we’ll see less of Ash now that GG is out of the picture, in order to protect our depth at QB?

I’d just as soon have our depth be experienced, or as experienced as we can get it.

Great read, thanks. I’m also curious about the impact on Ash now that Gilbert is out or the season

I agree, 53VP.

Judging by the way the offense has evolved the past 3 games, I have a feeling Harsin is going to open up the floodgates vs. OU. And I wouldn’t be surprised if he is purposely keeping a tight leash on Ash right now because he hasn’t needed to expose any more of the package than is necessary. But I bet Ash will be launching some surprise passes in the Cotton Bowl.

I’m guessing the coaches will develop an emergency throwing quarterback (maybe John Harris?) and give that package and the wildcat more snaps if one of our rotation QBs goes down. Until then I wouldn’t change a thing. Always put the best on the field and deal with contingencies when they come.

Ahhhhh, football talk. Thank you.

Do you think that GG’s surgery changes the QB dynamic? Can we continue to risk Ash in heavy run plays if he’s our only backup?

Sorry; strike my previous post. I was sitting on an unrefreshed page when I commented..

I think that’s a good plan, Dagga. While I love Case’s performance and ability, I like what Ash brings to the table as far as unpredictability. That’s if he’s got the arm everyone says he does.

The Missouri game will tell a lot, but I’m encouraged as Sooner fan.
This may be OU’s best running game since 2008. That year, the passing game was so proficient that the run was a surprise. Outside of 2009, this may be OU’s best defense in 5 years.

Though the game is in Norman, I think OU is ripe for a let down after the Noles.

Really - that’s a great idea. Let’s continue to bash a 12 year old. YOUR the perfect Internet leader.

How much pattern matching are we running on D right now? I know we’re running at least some man coverage but unless we’re almost exclusively running that I’m surprised we haven’t seen a steeper learning curve from the secondary, especially given their youth.

I agree, Simms to Gilbert. I’ve gotten the feeling that the current Ash package is just a set-up…I guess I read the the carnival too much…

i really like how ash is being developed. i think this was the first time he’s handled an entire drive to score.

it is so refreshing to have a staff that develops the youth in a timely way.

sure wish we could call last season a redshirt year for case. accckkk!!

Thank God for this. I needed this post.

I can’t think of any other way than protecting Ash some now that they are thin. If he gets hurt, I can’t imagine how conservative they would have to play with Case, and that takes him out of the game. I hate it, but just can’t see any other way.

Also, as much talk of the flood gates opening up for OU with Harsin, I think the same can be said for Diaz. I can’t wait. Glad I’ll be there. Here’s to fried oreos and beer at 9 am!

I have a hard time believing we will be seeing a whole lot more of Ash until the ou game. We will probably see the same ole Ash we have seen thus far, with maybe one more wrinkle or so. I just hope Harsin has a sense of humor and opens the ou game with the statue of liberty.

“sure wish we could call last season a redshirt year for case. accckkk!!”

Kept thinking the same thing at the game on Saturday.

Aiden - you realize 95% of those posts were actually joey right.

I think we need to start throwing the ball down field a bit more now that we are getting into conf play… Teams like OU are going to be better at stopping the run and we need to be able to keep there defense honest. I’m just not convinced that McCoy can throw the ball deep dwn field with accuracy. Whatcha guys think?

Will diaz’s pre-snap shifts f-up landry’s pre-snap reads. How will ou adjust for that?

I agree with what everyone is saying all the time. I have an idea - let’s run someone off when they are critical of our special sources who haven’t been heard from in a week. Yay for assholes!!! Let’s delete all of their posts too - then we can reinvent history like Pol Pott. Yay for assholes!!!

We definitely need to get the ball down the field. Harsin can work just enough magic to win games, so no need to worry, he’ll have something real special saved up for OU.

Thread de-railed. My fault people. My apologies.

Yeah, that pass to Mike Davis towards the end zone in the 2nd half was lucky. It will be interesting to see if Ash can get the ball down field better than Case can.

Do I realize that I don’t Really exist? Do I realize that ia m Really an asshole loser?

Do you really want to to know the answer?

How do you get this damn thing to auto refresh?

Joey, you are having a problem with logic. Just because someone does not know everything does not mean they know nothing. If someone is right 90% of the time, would you look at the 10% and say they don’t know what they are talking about?

have really liked seeing our defensive tackles and defensive ends squeeze the opposing offenses. They haven’t come away with a lot of sacks but really have made qbs uneasy behind the line. I’ve been pretty impressed with our young corners—really thought that would be an issue, and still kind of do. The Horns haven’t faced a qb that will put it up (like Case) for his overly talented receivers to make a play. Broyles and Stills are big, physical, experienced grown ass men. And when they run the hurry up offense, it’s going to put more pressure on guys to get into position and make quick reads on the offensive sets—and probably some gambles.

And it’s a relief to see that we have a tight end emerging. You don’t have to have a powerful arm to get the ball to the tight end.

Brer Rabbit, be careful….

Look, it shouldn’t be that difficult for the non-retarded to grasp the difference between a legitimate difference of opinion and trolling. The guy was clearly trying to stir shit up.

I would say that someone is not always right, or not as fully knowledgeable as we are led to believe. After all, we are led to believe that these guys see practices. Kenny Boyd, the team’s trainer said GG had “symptoms,” that got “progressively worse” leading up to BYU. I’m inclined to believe him because those are his words, and he doesn’t hide behind a code name. Its inconceivable that GG only told Boyd, and if he told Boyd, others on the staff and team would know - thus so would the invisible inside sources. I wouldn’t expect hearing anything before the BYU game because that would be a betrayal to the team, but in the 10 days since the game, when it was obvious GG would not play meaningfully again, we heard nothing. And still have not. Why not?

I think joey’s question is legit. Why didn’t we hear anything? Isn’t that why we come here?

Read the articles again, not got progressively worse leading up to BYU, in fact specifically didn’t seem to impact practices leading to BYU, but only after that. More importantly, it seems that the decision to have surgery was very recent, and you don’t release this kind of info while a family is trying to figure out what to do. Just like you don’t release names of people killed until next of kin is notified.

Now that we’re down to 2 active QBs, any word on how serviceable John Paul Floyd (walk-on QB) is if he had to play?

For the slow members of the audience, transparency in the running of the program good; private info on the fluctuating health of a player, Not Your Fucking Business.

A million thanks for this post. I’ve been jonesing all week. I need more cowbell.

So happy that we get a bye week to open the playbook and spend some time breaking down film.

I agree with Scip or Jesus whoever said that Gilbert could have been more effective off the bench (if they even let him in the game). It would have lifted the stress and maybe cleared his head a bit. Hopefully he will recover quickly. Does anyone know if he is going to transfer? That would give him 2 years of eligibility, right? I couldn’t imagine him wanting to stay with Connor Brewer moving to Austin next year.

OU will be interesting. I might have to wait until I walk out of the Cotton Bowl to start drinking. Oh, who am I kidding, that game stresses me out like nothing else.

MORE POSTS PLEASE

BYU game was 10 days ago. They did an MRI last week. Was that a secret from the team? Did GG not tell a soul on the team? Certainly not. Obviously they don’t release that publicly, but that’s why we come here - to get inside information before its published by the Statesman and ESPN. But for some reason it didn’t come this time. Why not?

I think this situation makes the sources look less knowledgeable that we are led to believe.

I’m in the group that thinks Ash throwing deep is being held back for OU and after. Ash is a tough kid. I don’t think he will get hurt but that raises another question. Now that McCoy and Ash are the only 2 QBs who else covers if one goes down? I know we have several exQBs on the team. Who is most likely to be #3 now?

PAC votes to NOT expand :P

Who the fuck are you to decide what information is for the public good. That’s that type of over the top bullshit bravado that prompted the exchange that was deleted earlier. You pretend like you know everything, when in fact you know nothing and are just trying to bully with words.

If you’re someone important who actually knows something step forward. But my guess is that the really knowledgable folks are hard at work scheming for our upcoming opponents.

I seem to recall reading about Brown’s hamstring issue in camp at this site? Is that Your Fucking Business jimbo?

Joey—seriously. Calm down.

It is not our business to know a player’s private health issues. That’s their business, and if they want it to go public, then they should decide when and how it gets disclosed.

This site does a great job of keeping us informed of the inner workings of the program. However, BC has no duty to delve into the personal health issues of the players or coaches.

I suspect Iowa state will be a limited mccoy qb role with more ash at the helm.texas dont need any injuries before stooplohoma. The Texas D should man up again with Scott back. Put diggs and philips on broyles and stills while the front 7 wean, mash, blitz lackey jones and crew. Just saw part of the 2010 ou game and I think texas will eek ahead at the Dr. Pepper RRR this year. Compare all the players factors and coaches from last year and Texas will be the u dog this year but me thinks we edge them out. Really. Whaley falls forward. So does “Shoeless” Malcolm Brown (ucla touchdown run). This is the perfect practice scenario for the texas D. Texas will be ready.

Joey, STFU or find a new forum to troll!!! Much as it may surprise you, not everything is your bizness.

As with anything on the internet, assume it’s false or based purely on opinion and be pleasantly surprised when it comes true.

Posters on many sites over the summer would of led you to believe Case couldn’t throw further than 10yards across the line of scrimmage when in the spring game, that was televised, we could easily of see what he’s capable of. Not a rocket, but an average soph college arm with good pocket awareness and could keep his team ahead on downs (on schedule).

I don’t come here thinking I’ll find out some hidden gem of info privy to insiders of the 40arcs only. No, I come here because the posters generally have high football IQs, interesting/relevant takes and, most importantly, true effort and thought in nearly every post that makes it a joy to read.

If you can’t at least accept the possibility of opinion stated as fact - then the inter-netz is not for you.

joey di you have some money on the game or something? Although since GG wasn’t starting anyway, I’m not sure why you’re so upset.

I think it could very well be that “sources” know to keep their mouths shut about HIPPA issues. It’s one thing to have a coach pissed that certain plays are available on the internet Its another thing entirely to have a US attorney looking into it.

RE: Gilbert injury. Joey amuses me, I don’t know any inside info until the rest of you do. Anyways, if it’s not plain to everyone else, the asset or cigar isn’t going to hunt down HIPAA violating information to put on this blog and if they did I’m fairly certain we would have the integrity to not publish it.
Personally I’m mildly suspicious of Gilbert shutting things down when his arm has looked completely fine in games. Smells like a transfer, obviously.

RE: Ash. I don’t think we scale back his usage on the field at all. Let’s assume that we do stop giving him game reps, and then Case goes down. What favors have we done ourselves? Now our only QB is even less developed. I’m sure we have some surprises in mind for Stoopsie but it’s important to remember that Harsin isn’t going to save entire concepts (Like a draw or series of runs) for the OU game like Davis did but loves to put things on tape for OU to have to prepare for. In Harsin’s book of strategy it would say to have Ash put a little more on tape for them to worry about against Iowa St. Make OU prepare for Case, Ash, and the Wildcat, then have new wrinkles in each of them.

RE: Oklahoma. OU uses the no-huddle and tons of formations to prevent you from doing too much that’s exotic on defense in order to protect Landry from having to make reads on the field. Diaz has to be able to show them multiple looks and disguise coverages/blitzes very quickly and without exposing our fronts to being stampeded by their Inside/Outside Zone runs, screens, or deep bombs to Stills.

The major thing to be hopeful about with OU is that their OL doesn’t look remotely dominant and you can really thwart their fairly simple offense if you happen to have a DL that can just line up and beat them.

Also, about pattern-matching. I think Diaz’s approach is more of the pattern-read variety.

The difference is as follows: Pattern reading is, as you would guess, simply deducing route combos that the receivers are running. Pattern matching involves assigning to each route the defender who is best positioned to cover it.
If you are matching patterns it stands to reason that you read them first. However, some teams just spot drop and play fairly traditional zone coverage in accordance with what areas of the field the receiver routes are threatening. OU, I believe, follows this style more closely because Stoops prefers to have his defenders keeping their eyes on the QB. Maybe more illegal hits will dissuade him from this strategy but I think he prefers the big hits and turnovers afforded by zone coverage than the leverage advantages offered by pattern-matching. Hard to argue with that approach in the college game when QB’s make more mistakes and tend to tuck and run more often.

Saban is a pattern-matching guy. Again, I’m thinking that Diaz prefers to spot drop and pattern read but I’m not entirely sure. We’ll keep an eye on that for you. He is definitely quoted in the famous Brophy post on firezones as saying that he finds it easier to have the LB’s spot drop in his blitzes and make deeper drops as the situation may require.

GG’s shoulder surgery is very strange.

If he injured it against Rice, why did so many of the play calls early in the BYU game involve throws requiring arm strength?

Regardless, I would be shocked if he ever plays another down for Texas.

Rover,

Another good post. Thanks a lot. Case made me a little nervous with some of his moves, but I did like that he often looked composed amidst the chaos. That was somewhat reassuring in itself, but that underthrow catch was a lucky break. I’d rather he throw out of bounds than keep unleashing those type of throws and praying. In addition to some of the names you mentioned, I thought Adrian Phillips had a good showing against the Bruins.

Joey,

I don’t know if you had a bet on Gilbert playing again this season or what. No one involved with this site is omnipotent, but I highly doubt they’re looking to expose anyone’s medical records or themselves to litigation. There’s also the small matter of the content being free, which means they owe you nothing in return for your subscription fee. Take a step back for awhile and get your mind right.

“While you definitely wouldn’t want to rely on off-schedule plays to make your offense go, there’s no doubt that it’s incredibly effective when it does happen.”

Why the fuck not?

One other development on the OU, they’re using Corey Nelson as an outside backer like we use Hicks and playing Tony Jefferson as a safety more.
You had to expect that after Nelson emerged as such a talent while being stuck behind an All-American. This makes their LB corp a little stouter against the run and improves their secondary a great deal as well. One of their better back 7’s I’ve seen in a while, which is usually the mark of the more dangerous OU defenses.

Does a Diaz run defense have an advantage against a team like OU? Just wondering because I seem to recall one of the reasons we went after him was because he was able to shut down teams like Auburn. If Landry Jones sucks at pre-snap reads, wouldn’t Diaz’s motion defense be the exact thing that works against OU to our advantage?

Oops. I didn’t know that guys writing blogs on the interweb were prohibited from making a comment about someone’s health. I thought that only applied to professional news sources like the Statesman and ESPN. So, if you knew a player was hurt, then you could be sued if you posted that info? How is Brown’s hamstring issue different, because I read about that here?

@Esquival, the original news stories say that there was no affect on his practice leading to the BYU game, so there was no reason to make any game plan changes. It was only after that game that things started going south. Certainly possible that getting set to 3rd string “caused” the symptoms, and maybe the surgery plan is a sham, but I have managed to avoid that level of cynicism so far.

Last bucket of feed to the troll. @Joey, no one said that the writers here were prohibited by law from releasing this info. It was stated that the BC or the Asset might be putting themselves into a liability situation by passing on certain info. The main point however is that there are other things like, I don’t know, ethics, maybe, that would prevent someone from posting info like this too early.

The difference between the MB situation and this is that MB’s issue was highly apparent and likely to be reported widely. GG situation on the other hand, seems to have been very cloudy as to problem and prognosis, causing any early statements to have been more rumor than fact.

Finally, if you actually spend any time here, you would know that the last few days, the time frame during which it seems that there would have been definitive info to share, the site has been hosed causing, among other things, Scipio to lose an entire recap article. So maybe that was the issue. Or as you intimated, maybe the sources have been busy doing other things.

 Given the timeliness and accuracy of the inside info provided by the sources in so many other situations, it seems kind of ridiculous to read what you are reading into this one highly ambiguous situation rife with alternate explanations.

Joey, I think jimbo covered it. One really effective way to ruin the asset or big cigar would be to publish sensitive medical information here that they provided. If you think Mack got frustrated with us posting stories on coaching changes or practices you wait and see what would happen if HIPAA violations come into play.

Ty: Auburn and OU’s offense are only similar in that they use no-huddle and multiple formations. Both are highly vulnerable to incomplete passes and tackles for loss which can result in their defense seeing the field for huge chunks of time. Diaz’s run defense is a good match for OU since it encourages tackles for loss. Confusing pre-snap reads is tricky because it’s hard to change defensive calls when they are rushing to snap the ball and using all those different formations.

I think muschamp ended up just lining up and stoning their ground game with our superior DL as a means to beating them. Worked reasonably well. Diaz is perhaps better at disguise though so we’ll see what he gets up to.

“RE: Oklahoma. OU uses the no-huddle and tons of formations to prevent you from doing too much that’s exotic on defense in order to protect Landry from having to make reads on the field. Diaz has to be able to show them multiple looks and disguise coverages/blitzes very quickly and without exposing our fronts to being stampeded by their Inside/Outside Zone runs, screens, or deep bombs to Stills.

The major thing to be hopeful about with OU is that their OL doesn’t look remotely dominant and you can really thwart their fairly simple offense if you happen to have a DL that can just line up and beat them."

Big thanks—I needed that!

I watched a replay of the FSU/OU game and was very impressed with OU’s back 7 as a unit, particularly Nelson, Jefferson, Wort, and Javon Harris.

Not that FSU was really able to manufacture much of an offense with a backup QB, but OU did knock the starter and a few other guys out. Very physical as usual.

They definitely look good, they won’t face a team with an rushing offense like ours until Oct. 8th though. Sooner fans might be pissed to hear this but I think BYU had a stouter run defense than Stoops has this year. Less athletic but stronger up the gut.

My internet is back! Yippee!!!! (The Verizon Indian-accent guy was actually helpful!!!???!!!)(dumbfounded)

Jimbo/ Nickel Rover nailed the situation. Legal issues about player info are involved. That should put the quietus on the whole question. Trust Mack et al to manage that part of their operation to the letter of the law. Any rogue compromising that will be squashed one way or another.

Re QB situation: I don’t really expect any substantial changes in approach. This offense is progressing because both QBs are being developed concurrently to their strengths. We will continue to see more added to each QBs package as their potential allows. I could conceive of a change in the content of overall personnel/play packages with the intent of protecting the QBs a bit more, but a major shift in strategy would be both surprising and wrong, IMO.

I’m thinking about OU from two years ago, the low-scoring affair, where they started the game throwing a LOT of fronts and a bunch of pre-snap shifts at UT. And at the time our doughboys couldn’t handle it, and pockets broke down all over the place on Colt, and despite threatening in the red zone a couple times, their confusion worked and things broke down.

Neverminding the fact that Venables for some reason stopped doing all the pre-snap shifting midway through the first half, the thing that makes me feel good is that they don’t have that element of surprise anymore, since Diaz’s defense is predicated on those pre-snap shifts and our offense is both 1) meaner on the line and 2) used to all the shifting from our own practices.

If OU shows a pretty standard front (I’ve missed their two games to this point so I don’t know what they’ve been doing), I think we’ll get into a comfortable groove early, and be able to catch them off guard with all of our own offensive movement and multiplicity.

Oklahoma’s defense looked pretty good, but Javon Harris (I think, #30 in any event) looked like ass. We need to figure out a way to attack him.

As for Joey’s crybaby routine, get over it. Maybe the sources didn’t tell anyone anything about the injury. They’re not obliged to tell everyone everything they know. It’s not like they’re being paid, dude. Did anyone on this blog every promise you that you would have access to any and all inside information anyone associated with the program knows at any time? Because if that’s what you’re expecting then you’re going to be disappointed.

I think if there are any reasons to be optimistic about the OU game they are that they don’t look dominant in the trenches and the prospects of Malcolm Brown running behind our line and TE/FB/HB’s against their smallish back 7.
I think our lead draw in particular could do some major damage, if we give them any reason to drop back against our passing game.

Anyone know whats up with Trey Franks suspension?

Also, I don’t know how much to put into the OU win since we don’t really know how good FSU is this season. I think FSU’s defense is for real, but even against LA-Monroe, they could only put up 3.3YPC and 370 yards of offense. They’re likely a 3-4 loss team this year at least.

UT has a defensive line that matches up well with OU? Is that supposed to be a joke? UT brought in Diaz to bring a pressure defense. As of today, UT is 102nd in the country in sacks and 106th in TFL. Duke is getting more penetration from their DL than UT. Giving Landry Jones all day long to throw the ball. Brilliant.

swngtrdr: Will you promise to show up here after the OU game?

Teams are afraid to throw the ball against us. The issue of pass protection vs. our rush was conceeded by both BYU and Rice before the game even begun. UCLA pushed their luck and look what happened to them.

What pass rush nickel rover? If UT had a pass rush they could finish the play. The numbers say otherwise.

Don’t be obtuse swngtrdr, Texas had a sack and 3 INT’s that came as a result of pressure against UCLA. As for Rice and BYU, it’s hard to sack the QB if he’s only throwing roll out dump offs and screen passes.

I’m more than content to allow the RRS’s results to speak in this department though. While I won’t be shocked if OU wins I will be if Diaz doesn’t get to Landry.

swngtrdr,

you obviously haven’t watched UT at all this year. Rice and BYU used 3 step drops almost exclusively and felt pressure even in that scenario. We mindfucked UCLA’s protections in the first half and they basically abandoned the passing game against us except off of play action. But go ahead and hold on to your stats.

“Giving Landry Jones all day long to throw the ball. Brilliant.”

I agree, and I suggest having Landry Jones take 7-step drops all game and we’ll see what happens.

Apparently Huckleberry missed Javon Harris’ INT and two knockout hits. Can he be had in coverage? Yes, but he’s what Sailor Ripley would call a “gamechanger”.

Landry Jones will be taking 5 stop drops, then two sidesteps, three steps forward in the pocket, and two steps back before getting liquefied into trailer waste discharge. At least three times.

The rest of the time he’ll probably have a clean pocket and hit Broyles and Stills in stride for first downs between the 20’s. But will they be able to run the ball when needed or convert TDs in the red zone? I’m not convinced they can after watching the FSU game.

Huck - we are 3 games in. Shouldn’t we have some stats by now?

“jimboLH said: September 20th, 2011 at 9:06 pm

For the slow members of the audience, transparency in the running of the program good; private info on the fluctuating health of a player, Not Your Fucking Business."

It’s also, more importantly, a violation of HIPAA, for the not so educated among us.

Sorry about that last repetitive post. I usually read an entire thread before posting, but in this case, I couldn’t help myself, all things considered.

I’ve seen some stupid shit on other sites about Gilbert’s injury being faked and questioning his decision to have surgery. Why? The former is idiotic on its face. As to the latter, a QB with a shouder injury that is growing worse or is of no value to the team, so how does the timing of the surgery matter? If it helps him rehab more quickly to either be healthy next year or be in a position to transfer and it doesn’t hurt the team either way, then the timing is also a non-issue.

Was it a violation of HIPPA to report about someone’s bum hamstring? I don’t recall reading that anywhere else.

Joey, Gonna ride that horse with the bad hammy until the cows come home huh?

Admins,
I learned recently that Bryan Harsin had mexican for dinner last Thursday, and that it upset his stomach. I do not remember reading that here, which is odd because y’all had no problems mentioning Malcolm Brown sitting out this summer, DON’T YOU THINK.
I demand an explanation.

Joey, start by just familiarizing yourself with HIPAA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIPAA
HIPAA protects patients from having their information released by healthcare providers.

For us to report something the asset or cigar told us about X player’s health is fine. But the source of that information is in violation of HIPAA and if a secret about a player’s personal health information was released there would be a huge crackdown by the staff and university on where it was leaked. You want to risk the Asset and Cigar information to hear about injury updates before they are made public?

As for Malcolm Brown, that was less sensitive information and might have even be released for all I know. No idea why it’s so important to you to call us out for not giving you the heads up a day before everyone else heard through the proper channels.

Joey,

A pulled hamstring is protected health information as much as a common cold. Stop being an arrogant prick and give it up already. Yes, there are people in this world who are smarter than you and people who are more educated than you. The sooner you drop your epistemic arrogance and learn to deal with that fact, the better off you’ll be.

Sure. It’s a recent, valid comparison.

“Joey” is short for trailer waste discharge.

Joey,

Did you really just say, “I can’t understand nuance, thus I discern no difference between a hamstring pull and a surgically treated injury?” Was that Joey-ese for "I’m a moron and everyone should just ignore me?

BOJ, I think it is.

are people really treating someone named “Joey” like an adult? Really?

WestCoaster, do you generally call children “arrogant pricks”?

Just to be clear, I wasn’t calling Joey an arrogant prick. I said he “was being” an arrogant prick. Like when you tell your wife, "Honey, I didn’t call you a bitch. I just said you were “ACTING LIKE a bitch.”

BOJ ftw!

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