Some Thoughts On Phil Steele's Preseason All Big 12 Team
Phil Steele released his preseason thoughts on the league's best players. Several Longhorns are featured and I wanted to share where my views differ from his own with respect to Texas and the Big 12.
First, Texas:
Offense
1st Team
RB - Malcolm Brown
2nd Team
OL - Mason Walters
3rd Team
OL - Trey Hopkins
OL - Josh Cochran
WR - Jaxon Shipley
4th Team
RB - Johnathan Gray
WR - Mike Davis
Steele doesn't really have a good grasp of our running back situation. Bergeron is more explosive than Brown (though Brown has great vision and sweet feet) and Steele doesn't put Joey B anywhere on his lists. That's a pretty major oversight, particularly given Gray's optimistic projection on the 4th team. Not your best effort, Phil.
Similarly, Mason Walters is an example of Steele's habit of consulting recruiting rankings and theorizing that talent eventually wins out. Sometimes that works, but it's football evaluation by inference in lieu of actually studying our games. Switch Hopkins and Walters.
I was pleased to see Josh Cochran mentioned and Mike Davis is defensible.
Defense
1st Team
DL - Jackson Jeffcoat
DL - Alex Okafor
S - Kenny Vaccaro
2nd Team
DL - Ashton Dorsey
LB - Jordan Hicks
DB - Carrington Byndom
3rd Team
DB - Quandre Diggs
4th Team
LB - Steve Edmond
Steele has a much better grasp of the Longhorn defense. Okafor, Jeffcoat, and Vaccaro are all easy 1st Team selections. Longhorn DT, like RB, has a number of potential contributors, and Ashton Dorsey makes as much sense as anyone. This is one of the weaker DT years I've seen in the Big 12.
The league has solid cornerback talent, so it's no slight for Byndom or Diggs to find themselves off of the 1st Team, though I think a good case can be made for Byndom. Jordan Hicks is solidly amongst the best six LBs in the league and Steve Edmond gets a mention based on his enormous potential.
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As for the other Big 12 picks, some quibbles:
- I'll take WVU's Geno Smith over Landry Jones at 1st team QB
- Look for Baylor's Ivory Wade to become the best center in the conference after his move there in the Spring
- KU's Tanner Hawkinson is better than 4th Team, but all KU players suffer from a program downgrade
- Tom Wort is a good player that gets too much deference from Sooner fans and media
- The talent level at DT, TE is weak
- RB, S, DE, OL are just OK
- QB, WR, CB, LB is good
- The lack of defensive names for Baylor, Tech, and Kansas tells you something about their 2012 ceiling
- Iowa State picked the wrong league to have great LBs and poor DBs
- Baylor's overall offensive infrastructure is very good. If Nick Florence is solid, they'll score plenty of points
- UT, OU, OSU are several rungs above the rest of the league defensively
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I feel like my non-Texas Big XII player knowledge isn't sufficient to comment with great authority
But with respect to Texas players relative to each other, definitely agree that Brown as a first teamer with Bergeron nowhere to be found is pretty bizarre. I guess Bergeron wasn’t VHT enough (remind me to write a Phil Steele parody article once I’ve got the new issue in front of me as a refresher on the rest of his trademark linguistic oddities).
You’re probably correct that Hopkins finishes the season with better tape at G than Walters, but I think that relative ranking is more forgiveable since Hopkins is making a position switch.
I’d be willing to bet that Byndom makes the post-season first team as the league’s far-and-away best DE tandem and other Fire Zone goodness should serve him up plenty of flutterballs with which to re-enact his Pick Six magic from last year’s Aggie game.
I imagine Hicks’ play will be worthy of a second-team selection, but given our mix at LB I bet he ends up in more of a consistent coverage role while Cobbs and Edmond get more opportunities to cover themselves in blitz-happy glory. If Hicks turns in more games like he did against BYU last year, though, he’ll be hard to ignore - it seemed like there were three of him in that game.
I wonder if Dez Jackson doesn’t end up higher on the post-season list than Dorsey - I think his quickness may stand him in better stead to make highlight-friendly sacks and plays in the backfield. It wouldn’t surprise me if all our five DTs play between 250-450 snaps, so while no one dude may really get the chance to stat-jack they should all have opportunities to shine.
In the macro sense, I am jazzed about getting year 2 of the HarsinWhite offense up to speed in a league with weak-to-average DL’s - hopefully our penchant for constraint plays, motion, misdirection and multifarious mind-fuckery will keep the league’s LB talent reacting a half-step slow. It’s also nice not to have our Island of Misfit TE’s put us at much of a disadvantage relative to our leaguemates - what a lame crop of TE’s in the Big XII this year.
by nobis60 on May 23, 2025 1:36 PM CDT reply actions
mind-f*ckery
this is offensive to female mensa members. ruined an otherwise excellent post.
by Big(g) Ern on May 23, 2025 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Third-most offensive thing this made me think of
Was mind-f***ing what R. Lee Ermey was talking about doing to that guy after he promised to gouge his eye out in Full Metal Jacket?
by nobis60 on May 23, 2025 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Second-most offensive thing this made me think of
Smart people are more fun to mind-f***, because their brains tend to have more and deeper folds
by nobis60 on May 23, 2025 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
much better mind-f*cks than stroke victims, imo.
by Big(g) Ern on May 23, 2025 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
The deeper the cortex, the better the brain sex
Or so I have read…. /Spinal Tap
by nobis60 on May 23, 2025 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
This thread got delightfully out of hand.
by BurntOrangeJuice on May 23, 2025 3:36 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I really came late to the party here.
Have to watch Spinal Tap clips on youtube now.
by Yossarian Rising on May 24, 2025 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
First-most offensive thing this made me think of
FEMALE MENSA members?
by nobis60 on May 23, 2025 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for thoughts
The Phil Steele parody would be welcomed. I’ve already documented the difficulty of finding his magazine in SF.
Byndom will definitely be the beneficiary of some flutterballs, but I’m thinking Adrian Phillips is my dark horse bet to lead the team in INTs.
I expect Cobbs to spend more time in coverage than Hicks. I also expect Hicks to line up quite a bit as a outside blitzer as he did against Cal.
None of our DTs will grab a lion’s share of the stats or snaps, but I expect Dorsey to get the most overall.
As for offense, as I’m tried to suggest in my Team Defense concept article, reversing the offensive trend of actively backstabbing the D at every opportunity as we have for three straight years is my #1 metric for getting us on the right side of 10 wins. The weird interplay of it is that if they can stop doing that, the defense will actually set them up with great field position and inflate their scoring average. Football will generally just start looking a lot easier around here.
by Scipio Tex on May 23, 2025 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Backstabbing.....
the code word for the posterior’s version of mind f*ckery?
by Bobby_Batronic on May 23, 2025 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
if so
is someone in a three-point stance “just asking for it”?
"I was nice and didn’t go for a full cock shot" - LonghornEm
by UTLawGrad on May 23, 2025 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
UTLawGrad - that was just wrong! :-)
"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal
by Snide Aside on May 23, 2025 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't you mean 2 years
I get nobody around here thought Greg Davis could do anything right, but even though that 2009 team wasn’t as good offensively as 2008, they didn’t turn it over, moved the ball when they needed to, and let their defense shine. 3rd in the nation that year in scoring offense.
by DoubleB on May 23, 2025 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I mean exactly what I wrote
And almost none of that happened. They turned the ball over constantly: 28 turnovers on the year (the most for any Texas team at the time since Mackovic’s final year) - most particularly against our most important opponents (OU - 3, NU - 3, Bama- 5) - and surrendered tons of cheap points on pick 6s and turnovers inside of our 20.
Fortunately for them, Texas scored nine non-offensive touchdowns and set them up with good field position all year. They were downright pathetic against OU and Nebraska - games singlehandedly won on defense - and quite disappointing against even mundane defenses like Tech and OSU. A classic example of bad fan memory.
by Scipio Tex on May 23, 2025 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Scipio makes me giggle
Just thought I’d say that..
by tx2step on May 23, 2025 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
A classic example of bad fan memory
Well it isn’t just me.
Are we really going to hold the Alabama game against either Gilbert, Davis, or the offense? Is that really fair?
Taking that game out, I count ONE pick-six. The very close (64-7) game against UTEP. I count ONE turnover inside the 20 that resulted in points—Colorado and ONE fumble returned inside the 20—ULM resulting in a FG. That’s 17 points. I guess our definitions of “a ton” differ.
And even worse, the point of your post was . . “the weird interplay of it is that if they can stop doing that, the defense will actually set them up with great field position and inflate their scoring average.” So your punishing the 2009 offense for taking advantage of the great 2009 defense. They weren’t as good and they did commit more turnovers than I remember, but they did score when they had to. That offense, even with the TOs, combined with this defense will win 10+ games.
And let’s not forget the A&M game was single-handedly won by the offense.
by DoubleB on May 23, 2025 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite offense
is one that scores when they have to. Plain old want-to just doesn’t do it for me. WHAT’s MY MOTIVATION!?
by UTeze on May 23, 2025 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions
They averaged 5.6 yards per play
For comparison, Gilbert’s 2010 offense averaged 5.4. 2009 had 28 turnovers, 2010 had 30. That’s the neighborhood they lived in. However, I’ll readily grant you that they laid whippings on UTEP while setting back offensive football thirty years against OU and Nebraska.
No one mentioned Greg Davis except you and it’s not about “holding games” against anyone. You’re tilting at assumptive windmills. We had an offense. For the last three years, it’s done a terrible job of helping out good defenses - as reflected in a huge divorce between our Points Allowed metrics vs. defensive efficiency.
by Scipio Tex on May 23, 2025 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Flat out wrong stats: Gilbert’s 2010 offense averaged 5.23 ypp.
What windmill am I tilting at? Even leaving the 9 TDs scored by the special teams and defense at home, the offense averaged just less than 35 points per game. That would have been good for 13th in the country. Did the defense help them out? Yes, it was the better part of the team. But the offense put points on the board, unlike 2010 and 2011.
“For the last three years, it’s done a terrible job of helping out good defenses – as reflected in a huge divorce between our Points Allowed metrics vs. defensive efficiency.”
Texas was 12th in the country in points allowed. 8th if you don’t include the national title game. 3rd in yards. You really think that is in the ballpark of 2010 when the defense finished 6th in yardage, but a whopping 49th in points allowed?
by DoubleB on May 24, 2025 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually pretty surprised
by the number of OSU players on there. My hive mind reasoning led me to believe that they would be devoid of talent this year.
by FinestRawJellyBeans on May 23, 2025 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
Their O will suffer
And Randle is a good candidate for relative decline (at least yards per carry). Their D will be pretty good if they can get some DL play.
by Scipio Tex on May 23, 2025 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Am I the only one that still thinks this is odd to read about osu'd D?
Had to do a double take to make sure we were talking about the right team….
Then, slowly, it came back to me that they were pick machines last year. Who knew?
by e1 kabong on May 23, 2025 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
osu
Osu defense will be intertesting. Calling them good, maybe a stretch. They were good vs the pass. They were not good vs the run. That wasn’t an issue last year, when they scored 20-30 pts by halftime. If the offense slows down and teams can afford to be 2 dimensional against them,they will not fair so well. I seriously doubt we see 40+ turnovers again. It was an amazing number. Much of that success was based on their offense dictating the pace
by codaxx on May 23, 2025 7:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
If that turnover number regresses to the mean, their pass defense doesn’t look nearly as good.
by Horncasting on May 23, 2025 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Welcome to Manny's Fire Zone
True Frosh Lunt named starter.
by Sailor Ripley on May 23, 2025 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Nomnomnomnomnom......
OMMMMMnomnomnomnomnom.
I can already taste his tears.
by e1 kabong on May 23, 2025 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Some thoughts on Scipio Tex's thoughts on Phil Steele's Preason All Big 12 team.
The arguments made about the lack of opportunity for stat loading made above are the reason I read these player rankings with bemused indifference. I’d rather have a team of third or fourth team all conference players all across the board than a couple of first teamers and a bunch of other guys who don’t crack the list. I’d rather see a thoughtful and researched all big 12 done by team units rather than players.
Also, the placement of the left hand of the dude tackling Joe B in the photo could be cause for devising a new penalty akin to the horse collar tackle. I’m open to suggestion for what to call the proposed penalty in my letter to the officiating office.
by BurntOrangeJuice on May 23, 2025 3:04 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Actually, I was thinking...
The Horse Collar.
by Sailor Ripley on May 23, 2025 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Personal foul.
Archbishop tackle on the defense. 15 yard penalty. Automatic loss of frock.
by BurntOrangeJuice on May 23, 2025 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure that forcing refs
to stare at players’ crotches will be a well-received proposal.
by vortic on May 24, 2025 2:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I suppose the refs could just carry a little football player doll
and go the ball carrier after every play and say, “Show me on the doll where he tackled you.”
by BurntOrangeJuice on May 24, 2025 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahahahaha!
Oh my gosh, I can’t stop laughing.
by Holy_Cow on May 24, 2025 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Bad touch. On the Defense. 15 yard penalty. 1st and 10.
by WreckerTex on May 24, 2025 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
already covered by
illegal use of the hands
"I was nice and didn’t go for a full cock shot" - LonghornEm
by UTLawGrad on May 24, 2025 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this you, Longhorn Em?
"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal
by Snide Aside on May 24, 2025 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
nope
I thought you had seen enough of both of us posting to know that we are two separate people….but alas, it seems Em doesn’t have as much time to post now that she too has joined the professional ranks.
"I was nice and didn’t go for a full cock shot" - LonghornEm
by UTLawGrad on May 24, 2025 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL - the side effects
of cocaine and meth is short term memory loss - sorry.
"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal
by Snide Aside on May 24, 2025 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
hydrocodone and red wine
right there with ya…
"I was nice and didn’t go for a full cock shot" - LonghornEm
by UTLawGrad on May 24, 2025 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I got one.
Personal foul- hands to the helmet. The lower one.
by BurntOrangeJuice on May 24, 2025 2:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Hopkins
Are you guilty of the same sin as Steele by projecting what Hopkins will look like at OG, or is your opinion based on actually seeing him at OG?
Regarding Baylor’s offense being good if Florence is solid, I’ll have to see it to believe it. My mind is still stuck thinking of the old Baylor, and they just lost the best player in the country.
Great article. Always appreciate your insight into these types of lists.
by Horncasting on May 23, 2025 4:13 PM CDT reply actions
I agree with your Baylor assessment
Similar to the Offense aiding the Defense post. I think without an offense that lets the play from ahead will make them pay defensively when the take risks or struggle.
Baylor should regress on O and D either way.
by HornsUpInLA on May 23, 2025 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, but Hopkins started at LG as a freshman
So I know what he can be.
Baylor won’t light it up at anything like RGIII levels, but they’ve got pretty good personnel.
by Scipio Tex on May 23, 2025 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
And this is most perplexing
How did Baylor get them and where did they come from and why didn’t Texas get them first?
It’s looking painfully obvious that our previous coaching staff simply went stupid!
"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal
by Snide Aside on May 23, 2025 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Baylor did weird things like
evaluate and coach.
by Scipio Tex on May 23, 2025 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Of course it is obvious! Yet.....
…. one has to wonder how anyone can refer to Mack as a CEO head coach. All the early tee-times, shenanigans, wine tasting and a minimum of high school in-person visits obviously went unnoticed. CEO as in Carly Fiorina, I suppose.
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by HornChamps on May 24, 2025 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Mb
Personally, I feel MB1 is the best RB currently on the roster. I put I lot more stock in vision over power. That said I think first team is overboard. It seems highly unlikely that any Texas RB will be first team. They maybe #1 in NFL scouts eyes, but they only allow 1 football in use per play. RBs may only average about 15 carries per game. There are at least 3 very talented RBs. I would bet Bergeron may end up higher, as he seems most likely to get the short yardage carries, ie TDs.
by codaxx on May 23, 2025 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
Forget awards and player rankings, I hope the 15 carries per RB pans out.
It means we’re running, and running well in all likelihood. If one gets hot, I fear the coaches might give him the ball 39 times but I’m hoping that lessons were learned.
by WreckerTex on May 24, 2025 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
bergeron may be more explosive
but malcolm brown is the better running back.
he proved that while he was healthy last season with his ability to create positive plays out of the nothing the offensive line gave him at the start of the year.
bergeron looks like a beast, performed well when given the chance, and showed he can run all over two of the worst defenses in the country. that’s all nice, but until he gives an indication that he can do the kind of things brown did, he’ll still be behind him in my mind.
by Timmy Teat on May 23, 2025 6:50 PM CDT reply actions
Brown and particularly Gray are more subject to taking it to the house.
But Bergeron strikes terror into a defense!
"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal
by Snide Aside on May 24, 2025 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
no
Gray is the only running back a defense will fear on our offense. I like to compare MB1 to Emmit. Neither was/is taking anything to the house unless someone calls a taxi. Not slow but neither are a burner. Gray is a danger to go 50 yds on any play. Personally, I think only thing stopping Bergeron from becoming better is Texas fans. He looks for contact to a fault and the more we build up the road grader image the bigger that problem will be.
by codaxx on May 24, 2025 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
It's too bad you didn't get to see any of Emmitt prior to the 2000 season - he was really fun to watch
I’d also like to take this moment to formally invoke the power of Longhorn netdom to cure Mike Davis’ dropsies, convert David Ash into a 3500-yard passer and get Dom Espinosa’s back squat up to 750 pounds.
by nobis60 on May 24, 2025 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
emmitt
not trying to slam Emmit. Very under-rated back. He just was not a burner. He wasnt a a guy that would truck you, but he was like a cat. If he could fit his helmet in a hole somehow is body would come out the other side. His vision was amazing also. Most RBs are physical freaks, that wasnt Emmit . Guy just had natural ability to run. I just think MB1 has a style similar to it with a little more power. Hopefully by next yr, you agree
by codaxx on May 24, 2025 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
You need to watch some Emmitt highlights
He trucked people all the time. He also had great open field moves and plenty of speed, even if he wouldn’t win a footrace with Desean Jackson.
by CMDR on May 25, 2025 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
emmit smith
droppe din teh draft after running a 4.7.. think about that
by codaxx on May 25, 2025 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, dropped all the way to the first round
Emmit had plenty of long runs. On the video he outruns the entire Redskins secondary for an 80 yard td, and in probably his most famous, takes one about 75 yards against the Giants in a MNF game where there wasn’t a Giant defender in the frame until he slowed down in the last 5 yards. He’s not Chris Johnson or Jamaal Charles, but he was a legitimate threat to score on every play, from any position on the field.
by Horncasting on May 25, 2025 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats just silly, and frankly lazy
He played in the NFL for 15 years. He did not have a great or even good OLine for 15 years.
His last years as a Cowboy were during the terrible rent-a-coach, scrounge-a-quaterback years when the Cowboys were just a terrible team. 3 straight 5-11 years in the stretch when he broke the record. He was with the Cowboys for 7 years after their last playoff win in 96. Those were neither great teams nor great lines.
Larry Allen was drafted in 1994 after Emmitt already had “3 rushing titles, an MVP, two Rings and a superbowl MVP.” to quote a youtube comment.
by CMDR on May 25, 2025 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Not lazy, accurate.
He played in the NFL for 15 years. He did not have a great or even good OLine for 15 years.
Exactly right. And his numbers reflected that. Which reinforces Sailor’s contention. The height of the Cowboys OL was the height of the Dallas Cowboys football team, namely 1991-1995. That’s the time period when the Cowboys were sending 3, even 4, OL to the Pro Bowl every year: Stepnsoki, Tuinei, Newton, Williams; later, Allen, Donaldson.
In those five years (which starts in Smith’s 2nd year in the league), Emmitt rushed for 8019 yards, 85 TDs, and a 4.54 average. Including individual best seasons featuring a 5.3 and 4.7 yards per carry average. In those five years, he went to the Pro Bowl five times.
In the other ten years of his career, Smith rushed for 10,366 yards and 79 TDs and a 3.92 average. In none of those ten seasons did Smith’s per carry average exceed 4.2. In those ten years, he went to the Pro Bowl 3 times.
Emmitt Smith’s performance rose and fell in exact synch with the rise and fall of the Dallas Cowboys.
by Scipio Tex on May 25, 2025 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
To be fair
In those five years of his peak performance, he had prosthetic legs - flex foot cheetahs if I remember correctly - that improved his speed.
I’ll never understand why he went back to his silly human legs later in his career.
by Big(g) Ern on May 25, 2025 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats exactly what you expect with any running back
Every single back in the history of the league rises and falls with the quality of their OLine, but Emmitt is the only one who gets tagged with “great Oline” as a denigration. Jim Brown ran behind 3 HOF linemen, but you can call him an all-time great without any qualifiers. And frankly, you could make the exact same argument about how much better the Cowboys Oline looked during Emmitt’s prime than it did in his downhill years.
Emmitt’s prime coincided with the OLine prime and Aikman and Irvin’s primes. And magic happened.
by CMDR on May 25, 2025 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
funny
this all started because I compared MB1 to Emmit. Was meant to be positive.
by codaxx on May 25, 2025 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
What's striking to me
is Smith’s relative statistical ordinariness outside of those prime years. His achievements were a function of volume and incredible durability as much as his pure running ability, which was obviously top notch.
You don’t see that clean distribution with players like Brown, Sanders, or Payton, who had dominant years scattered throughout their careers in almost random fashion, often playing with poor surrounding talent.
What defined the Cowboy magic for me was a team loaded at every position on the field playing simple schemes and kicking ass. Too many fans insist on boiling it down to a skill position personality cult (Triplets OMG!) for my taste. When you have the best OL in the league, the best blocking fullback, a great pass catching TE, good special teams, and a Top 5 defense, and then watch it fall apart in real time even while the Triplets were still in their prime - well, it doesn’t make much for me to understand prime movers.
by Scipio Tex on May 25, 2025 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know
Bergeron, in the secondary, is fearsome. I saw a techie DB circle around behind him so he wouldn’t have to take him head on. But, no, a long run for him should be fifty yds. at best.
I disagree on Brown, he is faster than you give him credit for. At least he was in HS.
"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal
by Snide Aside on May 24, 2025 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Mike Davis?
Has Steele ever actually seen him play?
by ransomstoddard on May 23, 2025 7:53 PM CDT reply actions
What would 4th team all-conference numbers look like? Davis has shown he’s good for 40-50 catches and a handful of TDs.
by nordberg on May 23, 2025 8:18 PM CDT reply actions
Hard to believe
There are not more receivers that have fewer alligator arms, drops, wimp outs, and “yes, I’ve now been pantsed by every sophomore cb in the Conference” than Davis
by ransomstoddard on May 23, 2025 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
So you’re thinking more like 3rd team?
by nordberg on May 23, 2025 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
MB vs JB
It seems the internets have come to take it as fact that Berg is the better back. I suspect that Mean Joe will look like the better back against bad defenses, as he’s got more explosion through the hole, and more power to plow through the poor DBs who will reluctantly try to deal with him thereafter. But MBI, I suspect, will have more success against tough defenses, where the holes are fleeting. No idea how Gray factors in, but he could steal some of the limelight from one or both.
by cornbread n flapjack on May 23, 2025 10:59 PM CDT reply actions
I actually don’t fault Steele for his RBs projections (outside of having a guy 1st team all-conference that didn’t start his team’s spring game). Not sure how I’d do it either. Barring injury I think all three will have fairly similar numbers.
by nordberg on May 23, 2025 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Sincere Props Scip
Anyone who knows a Baylor OL lineman is changing positions and will have success is a true fan and expert of the Big XII. Guaranteed Steele never heard of the guy or seen him play a down.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
by realmccoy on May 24, 2025 7:41 AM CDT reply actions
Well
The lack of defensive names for Baylor, Tech, and Kansas tells you something about their 2012 ceiling
The fact that KU even got 3 named on the defensive list is simply mind boggling. Helps that Steele is lining up 12 players on each side of the ball. Maybe Dave Campo can utilize this same defensive tactic 60-70 times per game for KU.
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by Triston27 on May 24, 2025 12:02 PM CDT reply actions
I can't get over that Dave Campo is your DC
He’s a good defensive mind, but that’s such a blast from the past.
by Scipio Tex on May 24, 2025 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Loves me some Campo
But some combination of his Randy West-style blond perm, his penchant for using a handheld fart machine during bed checks and his decision to pack himself into a wetsuit for a trip to Sea World have permanently impaired my mental image of him as a strong-jawed leader of men.
On the plus side, all of Kansas’ scholarship corners figure to be better than the 2011 version of Terence Newman, so he’s got that going for him.
by nobis60 on May 24, 2025 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just excited for a change.
Gone are the days of 12-15 yard cushions and watching WR screens go for 68 yards… I hope anyway.
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by Triston27 on May 25, 2025 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Come on Steele!
Why no Dalton Santos at MLB? Didn’t you read what a bad ass he is? I’m hoping he’s not Brian Bosworth 2.0
by Burnedsince61 on May 24, 2025 2:10 PM CDT reply actions
Just saying if
J. Gray is 4th team why not Santos?
by Burnedsince61 on May 24, 2025 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I got Edwards
in the Santos v Edwards battle for ILB.. Happy to set the line at 3-1
by codaxx on May 24, 2025 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I've read about Santos so far
I can easily see him starring in a remake of Stone Cold sometime around 2025 or so.
by nobis60 on May 24, 2025 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
a remake of Stone Cold. I can actually Hollywood doing that.
by Sailor Ripley on May 25, 2025 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Thoughts on Thoughts
You’re not wrong about Tom Wort. He gets more deference than he’s earned.
W/R/T Bergeron: I think Phil went full bonehead with some of the power runners in the Big 12. Trey Millard is easily one of the best players in the conference regardless of position, and he’s nowhere to be found on this list (was 1st team on several All Big 12 teams last year).
Talent level at DT is “weak”? Man, that’s putting it nicely. McFarland being a 1st team DT anywhere is just disheartening. I’d LOVE to see him earn it this year, but I think it’s more likely that he gets displaced by redshirt frosh Jordan Phillips.
Aaron Colvin at 4th team CB is smooth retarded. Primarily because he should be a 2nd team S as that’s the position he plays. Now, whether or not that SHOULD be his position is a debate for another site.
“Look for Baylor’s Ivory Wade to become the best center in the conference after his move there in the Spring”
I’d debate this point if Ben Habern could stay healthy. When he does stay healthy, he’s easily one of the 5 best centers in D1. Problem is that I’m not sure he’s every stayed healthy for an entire year.
“I’ll take WVU’s Geno Smith over Landry Jones at 1st team QB”
Not willing to go this far until Geno has to spend a year playing against Big 12 defenses, but I think there’s a case to be made here.
by NateHeupel on May 25, 2025 1:49 AM CDT reply actions
Millard
is definitely the best FB in the conference, but these All-conference teams tend to focus on ball carriers.
Talent level at DT is "weak"? Man, that’s putting it nicely. McFarland being a 1st team DT anywhere is just disheartening. I’d LOVE to see him earn it this year, but I think it’s more likely that he gets displaced by redshirt frosh Jordan Phillips.
It’s amazing. Has to be the worst DT year in conference history. Phillips sounds like the Sooners answer to our Brandon Moore. Can disrupt a few plays a game and then his effectiveness declines. The lack of good interior DL makes me feel good about the potential of our running game if we can throw the ball decently.
Yeah, I’d thought Colvin was your safety now. Is it now Lynn and Hurst at CB?
Regarding LJ, I thought 4 of his last 5 games were pretty poor. I just like Geno’s poise.
by Scipio Tex on May 25, 2025 11:53 AM CDT reply actions
LB
Tons of great linebackers on the first team, all of them are inside guys.
Do we have another year with a dearth of pass-rushers?
OSU looks great on D and I expect them to be stouter against the run but replacing Blatnick could be trouble and they’re using a DE spot to field Nicholas, who’s a good player but not a blazer on the edge.
UT has such a clear lead in number of pass-rushers that it further leads me to suspect several more Cal-style bushwackings where we occasionaly flirt with Carl Reese levels of reckless abandon, knowing that we’re perhaps as equally likely to score from the result as is the offense.
Still not many pass-rushing DT’s, maybe someone will break out there this year. 2011 graduated a lot of solid nose-tackles and many of these teams are going to be looking for impact players at both DT spots.
by Nickel Rover on May 28, 2025 10:26 AM CDT reply actions
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