Barry Switzer's Advice: Stay With Texas.

Barry Switzer has a bat vagina.

Hmmmmm, he makes a good point in terms of recruiting….Losing OU to the PAC # doesn’t seem so bad anymore….

don’t try to convince stoops. he still has a winning record against a mack brown who threw all good sense out the window in service to friendship, but now that mack has a brand new will — no, not that will — and boise state’s offensive coordinator on staff, stoops knows this is the time to get away and throw his rocks from a distance. watch for oklahoma to end the rrs.

stoops is astride a fickle pony and he knows it. his record the past several years — uconn notwithstanding — had his fan base murmuring before this glorious early-season number one ranking.

also, i don’t think switzer has that high an opinion of stoops, and stoops stumbling in our series would shut some sooners up wrt switzer’s program. he is going to lobby to keep us playing for several reasons.

The RRS is not going to end, regardless of conference affliation. OU doesn’t want that and Texas doesn’t, it is the show case game for both schools and has been for the last 80 years.

What Stoops said doesn’t matter. He was asked “do you have to play Texas?” What the hell is going to say? “Yes, we absolutely must play Texas to have a top ten team”? Comes on! Stoops doesn’t get into all the bluster that Mack gets into, so you can’t read it the same way.

the sooners are no longer texas-centric.

they have had such good luck with california and las vegas kids and so many high four and five-star texas kids have fizzled for them (did you see that jermie calhoun has thrown in the towel?) that they are cooling somewhat on texas kids. if oklahoma can get the pac to put the sooners in a division with the so-cal schools, and texas goes elsewhere, then stoops can concentrate on cali kids, who are much easier to recruit and leave the much harder to recruit — and to evaluate — texas kids to a lesser level of importance.

all the bluster

i see your lean.

The powers that be at OU get what our friends over at Brazos Valley State College are oblivious to - that college football is more about entertainment than about holding on to outdated traditions. The game of college football is changing and schools like Texas (who create and market a brand) will do better financially that teams like a&m that think offering last year’s product over and over again.

a&m to the SEC creates a more homogenous entertainment product. Another small market farm school in the SEC does not create a compelling rivalry with any other school. What made Texas/ a&m interesting was the farm boy/ city boy and “hippie”/ Hitler youth rivalries. OU gets it that they need dome good guy/ bad guy rivalries to create interest and generate ratings/ revenues. OU needs Texas and Texas needs OU. The good must meet the bad and settle the score on the field each year. The damned thieves need to fight it out with the flagship university of the Great State of Texas.

OU doesn’t have to play Texas for any reason other than they don’t have another rivalry to replace it. Texas can play ND, USC, or whoever and bring the “Texas Swagger” into the stadium. That will create a good guy/ bad guy environment that any home team will enjoy watching, just to see if they can send the Texans home without the swagger. OU can create compelling top ten matchups, but scheduling years in advance, there is always the risk of them playing an opponent working through a rebuilding year. Good guy/ Bad guy match-ups are a must moving forward to ensure quality entertainment. a&m isn’t doing itself any favors in the big picture replacing the UT game with a regional farm school rivalry game.

Switzer ignores the fact the he built his house of cheat on the backs of Texas kids by telling them Texas was all whitey while he was in a different conference as Texas. OU will recruit Texas forever.

also, with a weakened usc and oregon, the pac is a juicy plum if the sooners are the only really strong program that gets picked up. stoops saw in his 2000 championship that if he can project an image of power in a weakened conference and draw a natty-game opponent that has no experience playing somebody like the sooners, they can slither into a championship and his aura will approach legendary status.

watch for ou to develop a rivalry with usc at a neutral site, if there is such, in cali. it will take the place of the shootout and will always be in front of cali kids.

stoops has his win over a texas team that also lost to baylor and iowa state last year. if he can eek out a win over us this year and then skip to the coast, he knows he can safely claim domination to his deathbed day.

“the sooners are no longer texas-centric.”

OU appears to have 58 Texas kids and 4 california kids. Still seems pretty Texas-centric to me…

Yeh, you are looking at this like it is a five year decision, not a fifty year decision. They idea that OU can replace its Texas talent base with California is just not reality. In the Pac-12+OU+OSU, OU would place in California, at Most, once a year.

LOL @ OU trying to succeed without their main recruiting focus being Texas.

OU cant win without Texas kids. California is fine, but Texas is next door. Switzer knows this and I imagine Stoops does also. Since he is an employee, he might not can say so, but Switzer can. Just like A&M, OU has a bunch of supporters who are taking the program in the wrong direction because of pride ( dont want to be seen as Texas’s tag along ). Pride goeth before a fall. If we go to different conferences and UT ( or OU ) decide to end the series, it would be devastating to OU’s recruiting. If they do go different paths, it wouldnt all surprise me to see Stoopsie go somewhere else. How about Ohio State? They will probably be coach shopping in a couple of years

They didn’t have a problem recruiting Texas before the SWC broke up.

Switzer is an addled old guy, he couldn’t spell Big-12 if you spotted him the Big and the 12.

wahoo, wait three years and run those numbers again.

ou is always going to have texas kids on the roster. i’m speculating, though, that a huge shift west is in the works. the pac is ripe for plucking and the sooners know it.

sort of like the big ten for nebraska with ohio state reeling.

“Am I wrong?”
“No, Barry, you’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole!”

True, the Sooners didn’t have too much trouble recruiting in TX in the SWC days, but they are now in a situation where they are guaranteed to play 2-3 games a year in the state, and not just in Dallas. So I think losing that would be bigger than what it was before.

The conference change wouldnt hurt OU’s Texas recruiting but the end of the RRS (if that happens) would.

The best part of UT going to B1G if that happens is seeing the face of Dr. Tom when he hears that Texas is back in the same conference as Nebby

yeh, I’m not sure that Brown ever cast good sense aside in the name of friendship. He had a staff that did what he asked, and it was generally at or near the top of the nation in terms of production. It sure didn’t look pretty sometimes, but I don’t think it failed to meet Mack’s expectations, except of course in 2010.

shiver

I hate talking about 2010. That was a bad year all around.

5 and 7 will be a rallying cry for texas fans for a generation or more.

stoops is astride a fickle pony and he knows it. his record the past several years — uconn notwithstanding — had his fan base murmuring before this glorious early-season number one ranking.

also, i don’t think switzer has that high an opinion of stoops, and stoops stumbling in our series would shut some sooners up wrt switzer’s program.

U r high.

OU didn’t have much trouble recruiting Texas in the Switzer years because they were paying the players blatantly. Afer Switzer left, there was a drop off in their success rate and their record showed it. Then the Big 12 was formed and when Stoops came in, their success got much better but not as good year in and year out as it was when they were cheating. Our on field success against them is what determines whether we totally outrecruit them and our young coaching staff has shown it can do it even after a 5-7 year. The bleeding has not been stopped but it has been slowed down substantially.

As it stands currently, we have stemmed the flow of top level talent to OU, particularly in their former stronghold, the Metroplex area. If they go to the Pac 12—-fine, but I doubt seriuosly that the RSS would end. It’s a true marquee national game and too much in both schools’ interests to let that happen, and I suspect that was as much a reason we went up there as anything. OU will still recruit Texas hard; why wouldn’t they?Bottom line—- although going to the Pac 12 without us may not materially hurt OU’s recruiting in Texas, it certainly could and it has absolutely no possiblilty of helping it.

I don’t see a problem here.

Barry Switzer has a bat vagina.

What the hell does Studentenverbindung have to do with Oklahoma?

Is Switzer paying us back for giving them the wishbone?… I knew that investment was going to payoff sometime.

If OU could keep the game with us but also play West Coast teams in their new conference, that might be a pretty recruiting tool for Texas kids. Play Texas in Dallas and visit the west coast to play USC et al sounds sort of glamorous to me. Particularly if we get stuck playing the dregs of the Big 12 or some exciting ACC teams. Oh boy!

I don’t want the OU series to end. It’s one of the top three rivalries in college football and I don’t care if it helps their recruiting. It’s fun. It’s good for both universities. Although the A&M game is often televised nationally, the OU game is actually of national interest where the Aggie game is just the only thing on.

Maybe I’m getting old, but I don’t like all these changes. I’d have preferred that Nebraska and Colorado stay. Interesting that Missouri started all of this and are stuck here.

OU may gain some socal recruits, but not many. Let’s see - Norman or LA…hmmmm; okay, Norman or San Francisco…hmmm; how about Norman or Phoenix…hmmm.

steel, it’s not about the towns, it’s about the football. california is new england with good hs football teams.

Lived in LA for quite a while, knew many coaches and players. Believe me they think about the “town”.

you know, i was thinking about the sooner rebellion, and it reminded me of a situation a good many years ago up at boeing.

we were designing the 777, and in my particular little design sub-group i was considered a ‘helper’.

problem was the lead of this little group had a big burr under his saddle. he was a missile man, and he expected to be a heavy in flight control or some such. boeing stuck him in a little sub-group in environmental control and he was supremely pissed. he got along with nobody outside our little group, and design meetings that he attended tended to be shout-fests.

we were really in a difficult situation, so one day i went around visiting the other groups that we didn’t get along with and got the story from their various angles. i could really see their points, but i also really liked my lead and was solidly in his corner. so i went back and sat down with him to discuss what i had learned. he was a good guy and our relationship was good, so he listened to what i said and to my opinions and finally agreed with what i had been hearing.

so we reworked our area to conform to what was going on around us, and things really picked up for us. i continued to talk now and then with the other groups to make sure i understood their positions and my lead was appreciative of the role i was playing. UNTIL . . .

one of the leads of one of the other groups was a real bitch. i had much more trouble with her that the sum of the others, and before long in one of the big powwows, she asked in a very acid voice with a bunch of bosses sitting around who the lead in our group was, him or me?

that marked the end of the great working relationship he and i had, and it was a little dicey for several months before he bailed and headed back to a former missile company.

oklahoma reminds me of that guy after that fateful meeting.

I want to see this — OU recruiter, CU recruiter in home visit in Cali. Boulder or Norman? Game over.

OU recruiter today, in home visit in Texas — at least two games per year in Texas (even w/ aTms departure). Play against the kids you know now — maybe your own teammates. Mom & Dad can drive to your games.

OU recruiter in three years, same place — you will get to see the Bay area on your one drive to a stadium in your career. And no, the crowd won’t really care. But Tucson in late September is a lovely shade of brown. No, we don’t play in Texas any more.

The guy that can sell that is missing his calling as a coach. If OU bails for the Pac-whatever, I hope that regent that is so engaged in a unit measuring contest is happy. What price ego?

Sage analysis from Barry. Ever since “If you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t tryin,” he has been a veritable fountain of wisdom for the casino lords in the north.

First post…..I love this site.
Great job guys.

Numbers of Texas kids on various 2011 rosters.

OU - 58
OSU - 67
KSU - 16
KU - 37
Missou - 35
Alabama - 4
Florida - 1
Oregon - 7
LSU -12
The trend is clear, some don’t make it on home cookin’.
UT North - Norman annex and Okie Lite can’t deny the simple truth, after all numbers don’t lie.
Now whether OU and OSU ending up in a seperate conference would effect recruiting is an unknown. The only thing that is certain is that Texas produces a bumper crop of great football talent each and every year.

Don’t quote me on this, but I am pretty damn certain that prior to the formation of the Big XII OU did actually have players on their roster and they will going forward.

They have expanded their recruiting base on a more national level, but half of the players listed on their depth chart are from Texas and that excludes Texan Travis Lewis who is out with an injury.

As said above, OU does not have to be in a conference with Texas, but they do need that game in Dallas with the Horns. Additionally, I think Texas will need that game going forward as well.

We may “need” the OU game, but in a short term situation we certainly don’t need the OU game. I’m ok if the powers that be were to play a game of poker with the sooners regarding moving to the PAC without us and staying in the Big 12.

Of course if your going to gamble you have to be willing to lose.

I personally think they have more to lose than we do.

My only point Roach is that the two schools don’t have to be in the same conference, weren’t for decades, but that game needs to continue. For OU there are the recruiting ties to Texas, but if not UT then they pick someone else up. I know OU and TCU play in the next few years and while it is no where near the focus of that game it would give OU a game once every few years in the Metroplex where they have a strong alumni presence and recruit effectively.

Texas’ need is different, but don’t downplay it. I won’t try to claim to have an inkling of what could be in terms of the LHN and the future of college athletics. What I do know is at the end of the day Texas is going to need quality people to play, if the Ags go to the SEC, and say OU-OSU-BYU-Tech to the PAC the picture is pretty damn bleak for a few years and don’t think for a second there would not be more than a few athletic departments ready to close the door in helping Texas in scheduling for the other sports and with football.

My Sooner buddy is saying that the Sooners/ Texas meeting included a ESPN rep. He cant confirm, but that was the watercooler gossip today. Does anybody know anything about this?

ou could have ten games in the state of texas and it not mean half as much as the one they’ve always had here.

if we are mad at them and want to screw them, we should drop that game, too. but, of course, stoops is over there saying, ‘please, please’, but he’s not thinking of recruiting. he figures he can make that up out west. he wants to preserve his image.

If Texas and OU in are different conferences, OU will lose its greatness without the RRR, and the (State of) Texas recruiting it generates. They know this. If they don’t know this, then they will find out, to their immense disappointment. But they know this.

OU probably does not need to be in Texas’ conference, so long as they keep the RRR. They recruited in Texas for years while in the B8. However, they know they can recruit Texas with Texas in their conference, hence I can understand their justifiable trepidation in going it alone.

The thing that stuns me, though, is this: Texas to the ACC would be Just. Plain. Nuts.

The ACC? This catches me totally flat-footed. Wow. Huh? Does anybody want to go to the ACC?

If it isn’t the PAC-12, it’s the big ten. I think the ACC talk is garbage, someone is just throwing chip brown off the scent.

ACC cannot be a top-shelf plan. The SEC’s gonna poach more teams from somewhere; if they cherry pick the best football schools from the ACC - and I figure they’ll take between one and three out of FSU, Clemson, VT - then it should be an easy call for us: HELL NO. They’re already a weaksauce football conference as-is.

Consider the obvious lack of geographical sense and poor football rivalry/history/tradition and it just seems like a horrible fit, and a totally nonsensical one if FSU doesn’t stay on board. A weak Miami isn’t enough to deliver us Florida recruits and viewers and that would be the only silver lining to ACC membership, football-wise.

It really really should be B1G, Pac 16, independence or bust. If Dodds, et al. want to use the ACC for leverage, great, but let’s hope they don’t take it too far.

I still call it the Red River Shootout. Screw that other

Dagga, VT has alreay publicly said no, but WVU would go if asked and has been rumored to be #14 for some time now. As for FSUand Clemson, there’s a bylaw that they can’t invite a school from a state from s state wher they already have an existing member. Before you ask, the ones that already have more than one from a state (such as UA and AU) were grandfathered in.

If we go indy in football, I think the ACC would be an excellent choice for all other sports, especially baseball and basketball, much like ND did with the Big East.

OU has diversified it’s recruiting base in recent years, especially with some of its key skill players. Texas will always be the base for OU but it was during the SWC. The RRR in Dallas isn’t going away - both schools need it too much. If Texas is unwilling to follow the Sooners west, OU just has to make sure Texas is forced to be an outlier in either the ACC or B1G rather than keeping the Big 12 together with spare parts. Then the proximity pitch is the about the same for both schools - more so for N. Texas base. Mack has always sold parents on the proximity of nearly every game in the state. Both would likely adjust in the future by playing more non-conference games against TCU, SMU or Houston in the pro stadiums.

Stoops grabbed a few instant starters from Cali in Tony Jefferson and Kenny Stills and Brennan Clay is playing a large role this year at RB. If Oklahoma and Texas head to opposite coasts, the Sooners benefit the most in recruiting. Just not as many top programs competing for top Pacific time zone talent. E/SE part of the country is saturated with SEC and ACC. No school in the Pac except maybe Oregon has facilities and the capital commitment to football as the programs in the south/southwest. Some guys might go for the scenery but they barely have the time to enjoy it anyway. Many of them want a football factory to get to the NFL. So OU’s main competition in Calif. would be USC and Oregon. The list is much longer for 4/5 star kids in the east.

forced

i’m locked in.

i’m also realizing that both the ags and the sooners are resorting to desperate means to pull the wires out of the juggernaut texas is assembling, if they can.

Barry is an asshole, but never a bore. You go, Barry! Sure he had his pockets stuffed with walkin’ round money. So what, who cares! St. Darryl never had his people spread a little green? As for Texas, we need to cut through the cowturdlets and head West with the Sooners. Give the (soon to be) PAC 16 a slice of the Longhorn network if they want it. Hell, give up the whole damned thing. Who wants to watch Longhorn soccer games anyway! I’m a Texas Ex but I think money is making the school adminstration (all of them, from Bellmont Hall to the Tower) ignoramuses. Get in a viable conference and stay there. There will be enough money (sometimes I think that Dodds etc think there is NEVER enough money). Besides the trips to LA, Beserkley, and Eugene will be a hell of a lot of fun (or had you rather travel to Lincoln, Ames, and Columbus. MO?).

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good insight.
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“I want to see this — OU recruiter, CU recruiter in home visit in Cali. Boulder or Norman? Game over.”
—game over indeed. the stories of highly touted recruits picking the pro football factory of Colorado for the dismal sooner program is near limitless. seriously?