Tumbling To Earth in 2012: Oklahoma State, Baylor, TCU
All three teams are poised for a fall after completing historic 2011 seasons. Oklahoma State finished 12-1 with a BCS win and a legitimate gripe at being refused a national title shot, Baylor rode a Heisman Winner to a 10-3 year featuring wins over Texas and Oklahoma, and TCU went 11-2, part of an amazing five year Horned Frog run of 47-5.
All three of these teams are headed for a decline in 2012, despite preseason magazines that seem strangely optimistic about TCU and OSU's chances. That's a tribute to both programs and their recent run of success, but also evidence that prognosticators tend to rely more on a general feeling of Top 20 belongingness than working through cause and effect.
First, the obvious call.
Baylor
Key losses: QB Robert Griffin, WR Kendall Wright, C Phil Blake, RB Terrance Ganaway, OG RT Griffin
Concerns: OT, QB, entire defense
Baylor's decline seems straightforward enough. Despite returning 14 starters, they lose singular talents in RGIII and Kendall Wright, NFL draft picks like Ganaway and Blake, and their downtick on offense will prevent the compensatory output required to outweigh a still-bad defense. Baylor isn't going to fold into a 3-9 debacle - Briles has real talent on campus now and it's getting developed - but 6-6ish looks like their most likely destination and their possible +/- win deviation looks to be a narrow 1. That's unless Nick Florence is a secret Colt McCoy or Phil Bennet discovers defensive coordination ideas in a decade outside of the 1990s. @WVU, @Texas, @ OU does them no favors either. Pencil those three losses in now.
Take last year's 10-3 Baylor team that averaged 43 ppg, peg them at this year's more likely 30ppg, and you're hoping for .500. That's what Baylor fans should pray for, too.
Blackmon not back, mon.
Oklahoma State
Key losses: Justin Blackmon, Brandon Weeden, Jaimie Blatnick, 2 All-Big 12 OL
Concerns: True freshman QB, only 4 returning starters on O, OL, DL
The majority of publications still have them ranked firmly in the Top 20 (Phil Steele has them #12) which is a performance by experts paralleled in stupidity and incompetence only by the scientists in Prometheus. Please, take off your helmets in a chamber of seeping alien biological materials and now attempt to pet the predatory snake creature hissing at you!
But enough about Stillwater and T Boone's trouser eel...
They'll be starting a true freshman at QB, their entire WR corps is gutted, and the OL talent will take a step back. So not only is Lunt going to have a steep learning curve, but his natural support mechanisms won't be there. David Ash has great sympathy for this predicament. We're glibly assured that OSU will rely more heavily on Joseph Randle and Jeremy Smith early to take up the slack, which would be heartening and persuasive if I didn't actually watch OSU's games and understand football.
Last year's OSU running game was explosive because OSU's passing game terrified opposing DCs. They had a great WR corps and a 43 year old QB throwing darts without conscience on quick recognition and untouchable three step drops. Randle and Smith feasted on 5 man fronts and dime personnel to the tune of 1800+ rushing yards at 6.2 yards per carry and 33 TDs. That kind of crazy efficiency CAN'T be repeated. At least against reasonable defenses. Not even a rough approximation. They will run more often, much less effectively, and without a running threat at QB, their running game can and will be throttled when needed. I'm happy to let a freshman QB try to beat me throwing to a new WR corps. I'm not robbing run-stopping Peter to pay pass protection Paul.
Also, consider that OSU played a wide open offense last year with minimal turnovers, finishing the year at +21, +1.6 per game (yes, some of that was their D inordinately forcing turnovers, let's just assume that's static, even though they'll force fewer). Experience at key positions meant they weren't punished for being edgy. They had 7 games where they finished with at least +2 turnovers. Only 2.3% of Weeden's passes were intercepted on 565 attempts. That holds? No.
Finally, while OSU's defense will be good, winning ugly really isn't their forte. They're not constructed to take the air out of the ball and Mike Gundy isn't going to play Tresselball at the expense of QB development. They will take their lumps and look to 2013.
It's a credit to OSU that they still will surmount these myriad challenges to go 7-5ish with a minor bowl win, but I felt obligated to lay down a spike strip on the prognostication clown car parade route.
When will things get back to NORML in Ft Worth?
TCU
Key losses: RB Ed Wesley, both OTs, Tank Carder, Tanner Brock, only 11 returning starters overall, ability to operate heavy machinery
Concerns: DB, OT, High Times Man of The Year voting, general feeling of program implodey-ness
The stench of purple patchouli has not penetrated the protective stench cloud of 'maters n onions favored by national sports media. TCU ranked in the Top 20 is a classic example of "Yeah, but still..." as argument. The predictors are fully aware that TCU lost several starters to killjoy narcs, that rest games against SMU, San Diego St, and New Mexico are nowhere on their Big 12 conference slate, and that the secondary and offensive tackle appear to be areas of growth and inexperience.
"Yeah, but still...." You can't never count out Gary Patterson. TCU has been 47-5 over their last five (Patterson is 109-30 overall). They won the Rose Bowl. They beat Boise St. How can you argue against their success?
By looking at their schedule, players, weaknesses, and match-ups. And factoring in a light spritz of the stink of program implodey-ness, which Ft Worth is currently spurting like a geyser.
TCU will feature a very good, completely underrated WR corps, a rock solid QB, and a solid interior OL. Puff, puff, passing game. They'll also have inexperience at OT and a defense with a surprising paucity of studs or experience. Last year's uncharacteristic 21.5 ppg allowed average wasn't an aberration. It's a predictor of what's to come in 2012. This team isn't better on defense and the offenses they'll see every week are going to be capable of punishing weak links. TCU is going to have to win some shootouts.
Their schedule reads favorable early - a 5-1 or 6-0 start is no stretch - but it gets ugly quickly with games @ OSU, @WVU, @ Texas and home stands against OU and Kansas State. Stringing those games together at the end of a season on a defense struggling with depth issues is no small thing. I expect TCU to decline by three or four wins.
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It's just common sense
Something a lot of the national pundits either don’t have or don’t use.
Oh, my bad.
My bad?!
Your bad don't work in my world! -Ray Lewis
by TexasGarcia37 on Jul 3, 2025 8:38 PM CDT reply actions
Did Greg Davis go to work at Athalon?
"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal
by Snide Aside on Jul 3, 2025 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
TCU's schedule
Just got a whole lot tougher. I know they played some good teams, but, as you said, there aren’t a lot of easy in - conference games on the schedule to allow dinged players to rest. They should benefit in recruiting in the long run, but there will likely be some growing pains.
by Longhorn in Canada on Jul 3, 2025 10:37 PM CDT reply actions
Great write up Scip. It's great to actually be talking about the upcoming season finally.
I think you’re dead on about all three. I just haven’t been able to understand what the so-called experts were seeing to keep these teams near the top. They all lose way too many key players, and as you pointed out TCU hasn’t had to go againast this kind of schedule before.
It seems like all the experts (both print and TV) are hesitant to ever predict anything different than what happened the year before. I don’t know if they’re lazy and don’t really research what the changes are (players lost, schedule, etc) for particular schools from one year to the next, or they’re just afraid of looking stupid when everyone else is predicting the status quo.
by Nunna Yo Bizness on Jul 3, 2025 10:40 PM CDT reply actions
Agree. Agree.And agree.
I’m trying to decide which of the three schools you describe will fall in the mud puddle where the water is deepest and the mud muckiest.
I’m thinking the Uiversity of Frog.
The defense has feasted on mostly non AQ competition. Now, the defense is less capable and the opposition far stronger than Colorado State Wyoming and UNLV.
You could make a case for Baylor and OSU being near Top 20 status if they weren’t replacing highly-drafted QBs with totally new faces. There’s a great opportunity here for a Tech or an Iowa State to do something like what Kansas State did last year (not 10-2, but a several-games improvement).
Where do you see Clemson and Florida State finishing in the Big 12 standings?
by edsp on Jul 3, 2025 11:26 PM CDT reply actions
I’m not really sure who has the biggest decline - that depends on the known unknowables and the unknown unknowables. I’ve got all of them slated for a minimum of a three win decline, in any event.
I’d like OSU a lot more if their offense wasn’t completely gutted across the board.
Clemson would probably lose to Kansas at home and beat Texas on the road. Schizos.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree; How about some non conf reality checks?
I agree with those 3 in the Big 12. How about some non-conference teams who may be in store for a reality check:
USC: Do they have enough depth to run the table? (How could they with all of the scholarship restrictions?)
The SEC West triumvirate: Alabama (repeats are tougher than they look; just ask Saban himself), LSU (losing an NC game to Alabama can lead to a long hangover; just ask Texas!), Arkansas (also implodey).
by Hoju on Jul 3, 2025 11:38 PM CDT reply actions
Thoughts
USC went 10-2 last year. Hard to imagine they won’t at least match that performance. The Trojans have done a pretty solid finessing of the scholly restrictions by essentially flushing out every non-performer in the program. I think their issues show up most on D, if at all. They should be an offensive juggernaut.
I think Alabama loses 2. LSU could go 8-4 or win the whole enchilada. They’ve got internal issues and I’m not plugged in enough to understand them. I think most people have already downgraded Arkansas appropriately.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
How do we feel about Kansas St. ?
Last year they overachieved in the win loss column relative to the rest of their statistics and I doubt that Collin Klein can stay healthy all year.
by Pinche Gringo on Jul 4, 2025 12:01 AM CDT reply actions
I actually like their chances
Matching last year’s super favorable TO margin could be tough, and they lose a lot of experience (if not talent) on the OL.
But they return most of their best players and they have young up and comers at TE, FB, and WR.
When everyone is fielding defenses that play 5-6 DB’s who don’t practice blowing up lead blocks by FB’s or bringing down 6-5 230 lb runners, the trends are in your favor.
If they find some depth at DT to replace losing Kibble and their new starters on OL can play with the same chemistry of last year’s unit I think this is one of the 3 best teams in the conference.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 4, 2025 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions
KSU over hype
KSU had their Cinderella year in 2011. Everything fell in their favor along with a decent schedule set up.
KSU won lots of games by just winning ugly and by less than a score. They got all the right bounces while other teams got hammered. Example is TTU who actually should have won the KSU vTTU game if not for back to back rare turnovers late in the 4th. people overlooked KSU in 2011 as a 5-7 to 7-5 team. They will not overlook in 2012. I see KSU dropping back down to reality and they will be praying for an Even 6-6 season.
Just as everyone in the Big 12 has written off TTU as repeating 2011 will be more than shocked to see that not happen as I fully expect a Tech team to fall somewhere between 8-4 to 10-2 if not better. The key to Tech is how much improved is the Defense that is not exactly new. Tech ran the 4-3 in 2010 and ran it several times in 2011 like the OU game. Tech still has a top tier offense with a QB who threw over 4000 yards where only 4 of 22 starters were able to finish the season and not on the injured list.
Kansas is the sleeper team that will improve from no Conference wins to maybe 2 or 3 wins. Struggling teams will get caught by Kansas. I predict TCU because they are known to take off during a weak team game week to prepare for a tough team game the following week. That has been the TCU MO for the last decade. I do not see that mentality changing because they entered the Big 12.
by BleedRedBlackforTech on Jul 4, 2025 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Thoughts
KSU got a lot of breaks. But their path to improvement is pretty clear. Particularly with 8 starters on offense and Klein throwing the ball better. I think they win fewer games than 2011, but they’re not going 5-7 unless Snyder loses his wand.
Tech has a real shot at getting better, but your defensive issues go a lot deeper than base defense alignment.
KU isn’t winning 3 games in this league.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Luck?
if it’s luck why did it happen in every game and why does Snyder consistently have teams that do these things?
They prioritize possession of the ball and they have a diverse and hard-nosed power running game in a conference where teams’ best 11 defenders are usually in nickel or dime lineups without classic inside linebackers or run-stuffing DL.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 4, 2025 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
in fairness
K-State was 22-25 in his previous four years.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
shockingly so
though, right? They were winning more games than expected before last year.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 4, 2025 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Any UT Fan who claims they are confident going into a game with KSU...
Is either delusional or has been rendered delusional by a marathon session of picklejuice- boarding.
Seriously though they have played the spoiler in TOO many seasons to take them as a gimme’.
"I love my haters" -VY
by TheBlanton on Jul 4, 2025 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Some of that is just how they’ve fallen on our schedule in certain years and injuries, but Snyder is going to out coach you 90% of the time and Manhattan isn’t an easy place to play.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
In Manhattan, December 3rd (I'm praying for a blizzard), on Senior day for Klein and Brown?
I don’t care how good UTs defense is, if the Cats are still healthy, they’re not losing that game.
"Don’t use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." - Ephesians 4:29
by Sean T on Jul 5, 2025 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
KSU
I am really on the fence about this team. None of their offensive or defensive stats jump out at you. What jumps out is how well they are coached. You see that reflected in their turn-over margin and almost non-existent penalties. This is a team that does not beat you. It sits back and waits to pounce on your mistakes. They are the ultimate counter-puncher. They really should not be in the race for the conference, but I would not bet against Their coach. I view them as a back-end of the top 25 poll. If Texas manages to play smart they should win, but been a long time since I saw Texas play an intelligent game on offense
by codaxx on Jul 4, 2025 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I think
that their modest (although very solid) PPG and YPP totals hide what was actually a very good offense last year. Their Red zone proficiency, control of the clock, and ability to avoid TO’s made them more effective than higher scoring teams.
While I think it’s funny to dismiss them as being “magical” or “lucky” there are real explanations for why they “overachieve” with their Juco’s, transfers, and overlooked recruits.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 4, 2025 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Klein appears to be made out of the same material as VY
KSU was 10-3 LY and I can’t see them declining more than three games as with OSU, Baylor, TCU.
There’s no question that they had a lot of luck and that those trends tend to even out over time, but you have to weigh that against the fact that they’re also going to improve overall.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
21 of Texas's starters need some sort of OU picture in their lockers starting in August
Edmond needs a picture of Klein.
by nobis60 on Jul 5, 2025 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Hey Scip,
you have a column forthcoming about teams that may make a jump to the top of the middle?
I guess the top 4 of WVU, UT, KSU, and OU is solid enough that it’s unlikely that anyone else will gain much distinction.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 4, 2025 8:17 AM CDT reply actions
My best candidate went to the SEC:
Missouri. To answer you another way, Texas will be the only team that I feel confident will add 2+ wins to its final season record.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
missouri
that’s right, they would have been a great dark horse. Might have had the best DT in the conference in that Richardson fellow.
I’m intrigued by ISU, they are a Collin Klein away from being pretty frisky. I noticed Phil Steele had their LB corp out of the top 40 in last year’s preseason mag…nice one Phil.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 4, 2025 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Care to explain further about the Tigers?
As far as I can tell, no one in the SEC has a clue about our program yet, and I hunger for some commentary from outside of the echo chamber.
by Tigermad on Jul 7, 2025 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I really like James Franklin
I like some of the new talent on D. Just straightforward stuff.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 7, 2025 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions
"despite preseason magazines that seem strangely optimistic about TCU and OSU's chances"
Hold on right there. If we can’t trust things we impulse buy in the supermarket, what can we trust?
I happened to be in a Baylor coffee shop during RG3’s pro day, which was on continuous loop on multiple tv’s. The volume was cranked, but the cocky conversations around me were even louder, and full of knowing references to their good friend. The confidence was, to put it mildly, excessive. It felt like being at Enron about ten minutes before the feds came through the door.
by Parlin on Jul 4, 2025 9:48 AM CDT reply actions
Andy Fastow tactic at Enron:
When employees would question how Enron’s model actually worked “Well, if you’re not smart enough to understand, we probably made a mistake hiring you.” Baylor should be excited that Briles is going to keep them out of the cellar and is building a real program, but 10-3 isn’t happening again until the next RGIII rolls in. Good luck with that.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I digress
After hearing about Enron for years, I decided to find out what they did as a prelim to investing. Looked on line, nobody seemed to know. I couldn’t figure it out. I didn’t invest.
by BobInHouston on Jul 4, 2025 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting article but
2 of those teams beat the crap out of Texas in multiple years, with players Mack couldn’t be bothered with recruiting {Blackmon, etc}, although to be fair, he did decide that RGIII would make a great TE.
Until we can actually put a respectable product on the field, I say we try to be humble. No team from Texas should ever lose to a team from Baylor in any sport—-ever. Much less get the crap kicked out of it in successive years.
by ransomstoddard on Jul 4, 2025 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
multiple years? try a couple of years
I will take us against TCU by 6+ points and OSU with their freshman QB. I think Briles has built something solid in waco and I see a close game with BU this year. The point of the article was to say that the other teams lost valuable players and wont be nearly the team that Texas saw on the field the past couple of years.
by kcc28 on Jul 4, 2025 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That fallacious thinking already addressed above.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 4, 2025 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree Scipio "nothing is ever as good as it seems"..
Wrote something along the same lines you did for whole conference with a few links embebdded.
Super market impulse buying huh? Neat.
"do routine things routinely"
by centexraider on Jul 4, 2025 12:38 PM CDT reply actions
Enjoyed your take on the teams & linked back to DTN your earlier work on results of Spring ball..
Nicely done.
"do routine things routinely"
by centexraider on Jul 4, 2025 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Nailed!
The most sensible analysis I ave read about the profiled teams.
by longhornflash on Jul 4, 2025 3:31 PM CDT reply actions
It could be argued that TCU actually came back to earth last season, but
it didn’t show up in the record because of reasons that were obvious.
The team really never had much focus (insert whatever drug usage joke you want) after the loss to Baylor until the game in Boise. Unfortunately I think that game will serve as a norm for much of this year.
There is young talent at offensive talent and if Teyo and Dunbar play as expected I think the offense scores points as they have a nice balance in the passing game and two solid backs in James and Tucker.
Defensively if you are a Frog fan you can look to some young talent at defensive end and the return of Anderson from knee surgery to combine with Maponga as part of a nice rotation at defensive end and there is young talent at safety and corner which you can try to be optimistic when looking at the schedule and say they will have a chance to grow up some before they get to the tough half of the conference.
The big problem is linebacker. TCU lost three they did not plan on losing (one to recurrent concusions, one to grades, and one to being a dumbass). That leaves one experienced linebacker in Cain who is solid, but if he is the best the Frogs have stopping the run is going to be tough. Hope is a early juco or one of two freshmen can help, but I don’t like the idea of depending upon freshmen.
The key game to focus on early for TCU early is Virginia. I am not as worried about Kansas because I don’t think they catch TCU by surprise as some have stated. Remember that TCU opens with Grambling and knowing Patterson the Frogs will start prepping for theri Big XII opener early.
Virginia returns 3 starters on a very big offensive line that projects to be all juniors and seniors, an experienced junior quarterback, and experienced group of backs, and a pro-style power running game. They might not have a great back, but if TCU can’t stop this running game I can see them really struggling in the Big XII. A win doesn’t mean the Frogs are worry free, but it does mean hope.
The one saving grace for the Frogs is that they actually deeper across the roster than I think many think and Gary will go get JUCO’s to plug in with the rest of the team.
by davey o'brien on Jul 4, 2025 8:45 PM CDT reply actions
thanks for all your TCU knowledge
I think TCU gets punished too much in the court of public opinion for how they did against RGIII. That game occurred before everyone was aware of how dominant the Bayor offense was.
Later, though RGIII torched KSU, OU, and UT’s defenses, people still talked about the Baylor game as though it exposed how vulnerable TCU was to a good Big 12 offense. Well…they were no more vulnerable than every other defense that tried to stop it.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 5, 2025 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
It was funny last year when a couple of the regulars here who
savaged TCU during that game suddenlly realized Baylor in Waco with RGIII and that offense were pretty damn tough to stop when they got on a roll.
The Baylor game didn’t bother me nearly as much as how TCU played in some of the games they won and the SMU game.
I was told by friends in the program that the coaches were at their wits end with the team during the season last year. Difficulty keeping them focused after the SMU loss and it was seen again the way team slept walk through the bowl game.
by davey o'brien on Jul 6, 2025 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Post No
Oops.
Spot on, Bro.
Most just don’t get the fact that 2011 was a true rebuild for the roster. The Frog 2-deep for 2012 might not be any older than what the Horns will throw out this year.
I think their key will be how well the young safeties learned from their reps last year; Patterson knows how to take advantage of the scraps of talent he has back there if he can just get their light bulbs to turn on. It’s relatively easy to hide a single linebacker in the 4-2-5. It’s harder to hide three safeties when two of them are either chasing butterflies or worrying about plot twists in Breaking Bad.
by Philly Frog on Jul 5, 2025 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Top of my head the Frogs might have 5-6 seniors on the two deep and
they have multiple sophomores they are looking to step this year. If they mature over the year it could make the back half of the schedule interesting and if they don’t we take our lumps and buld for 2013.
If you gave us back Brock and Horn I do think a 7-0 start would be possible and I would think we would have a chance to win at least one in the last five if not more.
Now, as we stand with the question at the second linebacker spot and the fact that TCU is looking to break in three young (though very athletic) safeties I can see TCU going 5-2 and would be very happy going 7-0.
If we did do that I would be disappionted dropping the last five because I truly believe for TCU to go 7-0 at the start some of those young players would have to come up huge.
by davey o'brien on Jul 6, 2025 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The First Guy Out of the Tunnel....
Should preferably taller than your head coach given cleats and a helmet, and it would help if his paunch was smaller than the HC’s as well. ( referencing Patterson photo at the beginning of the article)
And yeah, I type that knowing full well that we have an animated 400lb Ho-Ho leading us on to the field every game.
Agree with the article completely. Of those three OSU is the only one giving me any real pause, and that’s only because their secondary is legit. BU defense still managed 3 losses even with an elite offense, and TCU seems like they have enough internal problems and personnel questions to lead to an off year.
by Bobby_Batronic on Jul 4, 2025 10:27 PM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
It took 13+ years into Mack's tenure
But someone finally crafted the perfect description of Mad Dog.
Well done.
by nobis60 on Jul 5, 2025 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed about OSU.
As Scipio pointed out in his piece ranking the Big-XII’s defenses, OSU has the conference’s #3 defense and they cause havoc out there on Saturdays. I can’t see OSU doing worse than 9-3, likely 10-2.
--- All roads to the Big-XII Championship lead through OU/RRS. It's not just another game! We're all about championships here. ---
by HornChamps on Jul 5, 2025 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I respect that perspective
But Texas 2010/2011 gives a pretty good blueprint for how a struggling offense can compromise a good defense.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 5, 2025 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
OSU's defense
How good do you think they really are? I know about the 2011 rankings and TO stats, but if they regress to the mean on TO’s, are they really still one of the top 3 defenses in the conference?
by Horncasting on Jul 5, 2025 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
They won't force as many turnovers
But they’ll get more conventional stops.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 5, 2025 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
For OSU, TCU and Baylor, 2012 should smell like . . .
2008 smelled for Kansas and Missouri.
After going 12-1 in 2007, Jayhawks would’ve started 6-0 in 2008 if not for a 3-point loss to South Florida . . .They finished 8-5.
Mizzou finished 12-2 in 2007 and regressed a little to 10-4 in 2008 and then to 8-5 in 2009.
Neither of those programs are configured for stringing together sustained excellence in a major BCS conference. Same goes for Baylor, TCU and OSU.
by Cirque Du Salado on Jul 4, 2025 11:39 PM CDT reply actions
This
but also evidence that prognosticators tend to rely more on a general feeling of Top 20 belongingness than working through cause and effect.
Is absolutely true. It seems that so often early rankings are completely dependent on what was done in the recent past. A 2010 pre-season top-5 ranking of Texas is evidence of that. Though Texas’ rankings that year probably had more to do with traditional success than the rankings of OkSU, and TCU this year.
www.oreadboomkings.fantake.com
by Triston27 on Jul 5, 2025 9:38 AM CDT reply actions
Yeah.
Our 2010 ranking was a legacy honor.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 5, 2025 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
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