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Back From Europa; Weighing in on Things Longhorn - David Ash, Rankings, Freshmen

I'm back from a great vacation in Denmark. The current fashion trend in Europe is best described as faggy bike messenger, shants aren't merely restricted to wiggers and Kevin Smith as they are in the States, and there are more good looking women per square meter in downtown Copenhagen than a coke queue in a Las Vegas suite at Bellagio. I'm also pleased to report that the United States, once the world's clear leader in morbid obesity, is now facing stiff competition from our once healthier European cousins, particularly ZEE GERMANS, who choose to showcase their corpulence in lime green pants instead of America's preferred Husker Nation tee and crocs.

Additionally, Danish food is shockingly good, Danes all speak four languages and better English than I do, I wish Vikings were still sacking European coastal towns in longships, and my girlfriend won a half marathon in rural Jutland and received half of a lamb as first prize.

Some Longhorn stuff went down, too. Let's talk Ash, preseason rankings, precocious freshmen...

Star-divide

David Ash is our starting QB. Well, no shit. Although Harsin intimated that we could see both QBs against Wyoming and this has led to wild speculation and rampant internet seated peeing that we're faced with some sort of rotation or that there's even a McCoy package - a fairly hilarious concept - it's pretty clear to me that our staff has decided that David Ash's make-up is such that he needs to be challenged and threatened with his job in order to spark his competitiveness. And it's technically true to say that both QBs will play when Ash leaves the game in the early 4th quarter with the Horns up 35-7. My lazy, uninformed read was that Ash is a player who needs support and confidence and carrots over spurs, but this suggests - in combination with some practice reports I've heard - that our coaches believe that the best way to snap him out his nice-guy, easy-going ways and spark some fire and edge in him is to give him a good slap from time-to-time and create focus. I'm guessing they have a better read on it than we do.

Although Case McCoy has improved and worked hard to overcome his physical limitations, he still can't threaten a defense outside the hashes and his self-sacking tendencies and Soviet mechanics will reappear in game situations. It's a triumph that he turned himself into a serviceable back-up and he should be appreciated on that basis.

The coaches don't completely believe in Ash - nor should they - and if he implodes or is injured, it makes sense to have Case McCoy mentally bought in to bring him in to win games for us in hopes of salvaging a season. Remember the Ash Package last year? It wasn't because David was a special runner. The coaches knew that there was a reasonable likelihood that Gilbert would go up in flames, McCoy wasn't ready, and they wanted to obviate risk. Same situation here.

If that makes you uneasy, well, tough shit. Blind faith in Ash won't help him play better.

Count me among the rare few that doesn't really care about the timing or reassurance of naming a starting QB. David Ash is the guy until he's not. Wanting a starting QB named back in the Spring is an illusion of certainty that has no bearing on the actual play on the field and it's mostly about what makes us feel good, or a chance to hold forth on Mack Brown's imagined bungling. Why manufacture bungling when there's been so much real bungling?

If David Ash can turn into former UGA QB David Greene, it's all quickly forgotten anyway.

Texas ranks #15 in the preseason AP Poll. We're edging up from the 20s as national pundits catch up to the fundamental analysis some of us were doing back in February. We can absolutely win 10 games and media infatuations with TCU, West Virginia, and Oklahoma State are likely to be peeled back soon enough. Right now, this league reads fundamentally like a two team race, likely decided in Dallas in October. That feels cocky to write after two seasons of 13-12, but whether it's OSU winning the league last year, Texas tanking in 2010, or Baylor winning 10, those who make predictions assuming the future will always resemble the past will be surprised at how many black swans are out there.

Texas Fan & His Magical Freshman infatuation. Almost more irritating than an old Mack Brown staff's tendency not to play freshmen soon enough is a fan base that has been trained by a historical lack of program development to find saviors in every true freshman at every position. What was required last year because of half a decade of staff sloth won't be needed in 2012, and, if it is, is a terrible sign of what the season holds.

  • Everyone is excited about Jalen Overstreet, but his flashes are best projected to 2014 than September of this year. And maybe at LB
  • Any freshman OL who helps us this year is probably bad news in the larger scheme of things, particularly if the great buzz around Luke Poehlmann is true. A true #3 OT gives us so much breathing room as we have a half dozen different combinations in the interior OL that we can make work. I'm for redshirting as many young OL as we can possibly get away with
  • Malcom Brown and Johnathan Gray are both legitimately that good, but it will take a little time to integrate both as the depth charts ahead of each aren't exactly sparse. That's why an opening three of Wyoming, New Mexico, Ole Miss is so welcome - they can get garbage snaps and take some learnings lumps without consequence in time to set them up for the big games. Gray may be a surprisingly tricky integration, particularly if he doesn't show reliable ball-handling and feel in the Wildcat before @ OSU, WVU, OU and Brown and Bergeron are running shit at halfback
  • Young help at wide receiver, like OL, is needed, but a negative indicator of overall program health. It's probably good news, not bad news, if John Harris or Bryant Jackson secures a #4 or #5 WR job as it probably means they're showing something rather than Texas exhibiting staff risk avoidance
  • Help on defense from youngsters is mostly about an embarrassment of riches. If Duke Thomas or Hassan Ridgeway fight their way on to the field, it's more about their talent level than deficiencies above them
  • We now have a staff that played every freshman that could possibly help us last year. They took the lumps and the criticism. At one point, we started true freshmen at CB, LT, QB, RB, and WR. Erase your historical lazy staff memes. If one of our favorite precocious freshmen isn't playing, it's probably because there's a junior or senior playing better. Occam's Razor is now back in fashion on the 40 Acres. Use it
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Poehlman

So, can Luke catch the ball fairly reliably? Will he be used at both OT and TE? Can he run at least a 4.7 after he catches the ball?

by Burntorangebaybe on Aug 22, 2025 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Listed on roster as OT/TE

But believe that’s blocking TE in jumbo only, and concentrating on being in best OT form possible for this year.

by CMDR on Aug 22, 2025 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

TD pass

seems like he caught a TD pass last year out of the jumbo formation.? am I thinking of someone else? maybe his only catch EVER, but bodes well for deception this year?

by Burntorangebaybe on Aug 22, 2025 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

He Did Catch a TD Pass....

Against Baylor. I haven’t seen it in a while, but it seems like it was either a tackle eligible play, or he was the TE on the weak side of an unbalanced line and snuck into the endzone on a delayed release. I think we used a similar concept to score a TD pass against KSU when McCoy hooked up with Irby.

Poehlman’s body type is excellent for this because he looks like just another linemen to the defense…..which he is.

by Bobby_Batronic on Aug 22, 2025 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

No reason

not to use him as a TE in jumbo formations but I’m hoping that Greg Daniels can take his job as “dependable blocking TE”.

by Nickel Rover on Aug 22, 2025 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's the hope, and the expectation, really

Its common to use your 3rd OT as TE in jumbo/goalline packages anyway, so no reason to not expect that, but with Poehlman coming on as the 3rd OT and 6th lineman, you should expect his role as a TE on normal downs to decrease well below the level it was last year, providing Daniels can sufficiently fill that role.

by CMDR on Aug 22, 2025 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really excited about Greg Daniels

He has Cory Redding’s body and some want-to. If he can make himself into a 260 pound blocking TE with legit hands, that’s a huge asset to what Harsin wants to do out there.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Black uniform

What’s with the black on the uniform. Does he play for OSU?

Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.

by Caradoc on Aug 23, 2025 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome back

I keep saying SOMEDAY I’m going to get to Scandanavia. Your travel report nudges me further in that direction.

Agreed on the “play the freshmen” theme. I think we have 3-4 who can help on defense, now — but they aren’t critical to us staying afloat. Different story on offense.

I think one of the rookie wideouts has to contribute for the passing game to move forward.

But I’m more intrigued with the variety and trickeration possibilities of Ash, Shipley, Harris, Monroe/Daje Johnson, three stud running back sets Harsin can dream up and turn loose. Lots of misdirection opps, one-on-one matchups that (wait for it) actually favor our offensive player over their defensive player.

by edsp on Aug 22, 2025 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Thanks

Agree with you on the different options on offense. Potentially overwhelming if we had a less creative OC. I’d honestly prefer to have some straight up, completely dominant types rather than a bunch of he’s-really-interesting-in-this-one-package types, but the speed and versatility we’ll be able to loose on offense will really help us in the big unscheduled play department.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking . . . and concerned about . . . our offensive style

I fear we may be much more into the home run play than a pattern of consistent singles and walks.

Meaning, too many 3-and-outs, but the occasional omygod burst from out of nowhere that nets 60 yards or six points.

by edsp on Aug 22, 2025 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that will be the case

unless we still suck at fundamental execution. Harsin is similar to Snyder in that he’s scheming to get leverage on every play to create 5 yards here, 8 yards there, 3 yards, and then, eventually, BOOM! 50.

This design is absolutely designed Moneyball style, to draw walks and load up the bases before the eventual 3-run homer. The fact that we didn’t see that last year was about how we couldn’t complete slants or avoid disasters, not by design.

by Nickel Rover on Aug 22, 2025 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you not seen our RBs?

Did you read my comment, or did you merely see that it disagreed and begin composing your response immediately? by BrooklynHorn

by run Bevo run on Aug 22, 2025 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome back!

Sounds like your EuroTrip was a little better than mine – while Spain was a great time, I had to contend with a drunken Polish maniac in the close confines of a sailboat and also learned that while nubile Spanish chicks may not be all that up on English, they can communicate “Christ, you’re old!” with their eyes efficiently enough.

The QB situation has definitely come to a predictable pass, and I’m starting to get legitimately jazzed about Ash. Not in a VY way, a Colt way or even a young James Brown way, but the whole David Greene thing may be on the table. He’s apparently hooking up with Goodwin on deep shots with some regularity and able to fit balls in against Byndom, so that’s ahead-of-the-curve stuff as far as I’m concerned.

Glad to hear there’s good buzz on Poehlmann – I’m assuming it’s in the context of tackle rather than TE. Can you expound?

by nobis60 on Aug 22, 2025 10:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Poehlmann

As an OT. Apparently we consider him to be OL #6 and our coaches feel like he could play legitimate snaps for us and we’d be OK. Maybe that’s also a spur for Hawkins, but we’ll see.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Poehlman can't be the #6 OL or #3 OT

I clearly remember fans (and one blogger) on the internet claiming he should give up his scholarship this year.

by Horncasting on Aug 22, 2025 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right or Left?

If they bring in Poehlmann to spell Hawkins would Cochran shift over, or would Poehlmann be at LT? Or is the idea just that Poehlmann could get spans on either side?

by matonmacs on Aug 22, 2025 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopkins/Poehlman

If I’m remembering correctly, the initial plan for the year was to slide Hopkins out to OT if Cochran or Hawkins goes down. So should we take the “Poehlman as the #6 OL and #3 OT” talk as indicating that Poehlman has really stepped up or as major reluctance to slide Hopkins out as the #3 OT due to a lack of faith in our interior line depth?

by ComeAndTakeIt on Aug 22, 2025 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holiday Bowl Ash

Wins us 10 games, maybe more.

If he actually is any better than that, we will “be Texas” again a year early.

Again, I am not so much focused on outcomes this year as the process. And process-wise I really LOVE what I see across the board.

We have made what I think are gigantic elite-level upgrades to staff and approach everywhere. Whether that bears a lot of fruit this year is almost immaterial to me. It was rotten in Denmark [lame as shit I know] and it takes a while to fix it.

by bullzak on Aug 22, 2025 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

on the contrary

that is the good kind of bad joke

"If God dwells inside us like some people say, I sure hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what He's getting."

by RedmondLonghorn on Aug 22, 2025 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

No

2nd Half Holiday Bowl Ash wins us 10 games. 1st Half Holiday Bowl Ash wins 8.

by Monahorns on Aug 22, 2025 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Welcome back

Thanks for the words of sanity regarding the lack of trust in the coaching staff. I can understand that some of the fan base will still feel burned by their misperceptions of the old staff, but it grows wearying to see otherwise smart football viewers go into a tizzy every time Mack speaks about the QBs. There’s a big difference between Mack saying that he wants two quality players at every position (or that situationally he’d play both QBs in a game), and a return to the crisis mode of last season.

Harsin saying that he’d like to play both QBs against Wyoming should be greeted with a shrug and a nod, not the ceremonial lighting of hair on fire. Given that Mack has said that he wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in the other guy every third series or so, I wouldn’t be surprised if we see McCoy before the fourth quarter. If we’re up 21-0, Ash has successfully led several sustained drives, and the D is humming, throwing McCoy some keep-him-interested/make-sure-we-have-a-backup snaps won’t cause me too much concern. It’s Wyoming not West Virginia. I don’t think Ash’s continued development is dependent on him taking every snap of the season. If nothing else, a little extra coaching on the sideline in a game situation could serve him well.

At some point, those of us outside of the locker room have to have some faith that the (new) coaches can read the situation well enough to know how to push and reward individual players appropriately.

by Flipteach on Aug 22, 2025 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Good perspective.

Some athletes need support and encouragement to be their best, others need to be challenged or put under duress. I have no reason not to trust the coaches on this one.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ash/ McCoy

A competitive personality will up the anti if challenged. One who lacks that will be ambivalent or regress.

by 55f100tx on Aug 22, 2025 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I actually feel for the UT fans on this one

After so many years of coach-speak being no more than a smokescreen for sub par development, the Texas coaches are talking to the media the way most great coaching staffs do: with the knowledge that what they’re saying will get back to a specific set of ears and be taken accordingly.

by NateHeupel on Aug 22, 2025 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

So, just out of curiosity, if it's OU we're up on, 21-0, and Mack trots McCoy out there...

…will it still not cause you too much concern? Because I can tell you right now that would freak the shit out of me. I still remember when Mack swapped QB’s at the very end of a Texas Tech game in Austin about 7 or 8 years ago (can’t remember if he went from Chance to VY or vice-versa) and I nearly had a coronary at the ripe old age of about 34.

OU can score too quickly. 21-0 does not make me feel safe against those guys. Much like Baylor last year, they are just too able (historically speaking) to score on 1-play drives.

To err is human...but humans have such low standards.

by adt2 on Aug 23, 2025 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure everyone was going into a tizzy, actually.
but it grows wearying to see otherwise smart football viewers go into a tizzy every time Mack speaks about the QBs.

But I, for one, am not a fan of coachspeak lying. What was the purpose of trotting out a damned lie about the QB’s? Bush league IMO.

"Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games."
Darrell Royal

by Snide Aside on Aug 22, 2025 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

What lie?

Harsin started this by saying they were planning on playing both QBs against Wyoming. And guess what? They’re still planning on playing both QBs against Wyoming. They’re probably also planning to play nine or ten offensive lineman and four running backs. That’s not a statement about the depth chart at all. It’s a statement about the quality of opponent we’re playing in game one; the backups will almost surely get PT. It’s the Internet that took that nothingburger to mean there would be no #1 starter, not the coaches. And I bet that’s why they turned around in roughly 24 hours and announced Ash as the starter: to quiet the worrywarts and haters who overreacted to Harsin’s non-statement.

by Dagga Roosta on Aug 22, 2025 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dagga types faster than me.

And probably said it better too.

by Flipteach on Aug 22, 2025 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

except I doubt the coaches naming (unofficially, remember) a starter has anything to do with fan or media outrage. At least I hope not. The fact that people feel entitled to full disclosure from coaches is ridiculous.

Also, really enjoyed Scipio’s perspective on the QBs. People’s obsession with having an officially designated starter got way out of hand, to the point that McCoy reportedly having the best scrimmage of his life somehow became a bad thing.

by Austin Native on Aug 22, 2025 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

good point

success and development from one of our QB’s should not be a cause for alarm.

by Nickel Rover on Aug 22, 2025 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, c'mon!
The fact that people feel entitled to full disclosure from coaches is ridiculous

I don’t think anyone here feels entitled to full disclosure. But we don’t deserve disinformation either.

"Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games."
Darrell Royal

by Snide Aside on Aug 22, 2025 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

How's this?
Sept. 1, offensive play-caller Bryan Harsin said Monday he expects both David Ash and Case McCoy to play in the opener against Wyoming. And like Mack Brown last week, Harsin gave no indication coaches are closer to choosing one player over the other than they’ve been at any point in the 20 months Ash and McCoy have been competing.

"Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games."
Darrell Royal

by Snide Aside on Aug 23, 2025 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

And there is this!

Mack Broiwn said:

I think they both did a good job. And that’s a good thing. I think we are going to have two good quarterbacks to play right now, and we’ll just have to figure all that out as we go through. Still got two and a half weeks. It’s not like it was last year where we are sitting here wondering. I really think that in our mind and we ask everybody in the staff room, and we’ll go around and say, “Who would you play at quarterback.” It’s not only you all asking; we ask, too. I got the same questions you do. And the answers are good. But we are having more consensus that both could play right now and still win a game for us. I think part of that is because a game like an A&M; game and a game like the Cal game, is the players have seen both of them win. So they know that most of the time around here, we have not had a backup quarterback that could go in and win. And right now is the first time that I think we are in the best shape.

Put into a position of trying to read between the lines is disinformation, IMO. Out of his and Harsins remarks did you get the impression that Ash was the starter? Did you get the impression that a starter had EVEN been selected?
Did you get the impression that one QB was outperforming the other?

I had all of the parsing of words I could stand with Clinton – don’t need it from Mack.

"Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games."
Darrell Royal

by Snide Aside on Aug 23, 2025 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't recall Mack lying.

He often speaks politically, but I think the problem more often is that we read too much into what he says. Saying that both QBs are playing well and he’s not ready to name a starter is not a lie, even if he fully expects Ash to take the majority of the snaps. Talking about how he’s used two quarterbacks in the past is not the same as saying that the QBs will be shuttling in and out on alternating snaps this season.

I know that I’m so desperate for the season to start, that I’ll read most every update I can get, but I try to avoid putting too much weight into what Mack says at a press conference. There often seems to be a yawning chasm between the angst I read in articles that parse his words and the relatively mild things he actually says when I read the transcripts myself.

Admittedly, I don’t watch/read every presser, so maybe I missed the things he’s said that frustrate you.

by Flipteach on Aug 22, 2025 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Corollary

Not fat = more attractive. I’ve made similar statements. Yes, Europe is catching up, with Germany and the UK leading the pack. I was surprised regarding your affinity towards Danish cuisine. Haven’t been there but may go this winter. What should I ask for?

Could UT’s run game be so efficient and elegant as to mask the Horns passing woes? I think that is the key question for projections that UT will win up to 10 games.

This is because, assuming Ash does morph into Greene, Mack should also have reserved cocoons to morph Mike Davis into AJ Green, and Nameless-OT into Jon Stinchcomb (revered Geogia OT)? The deficiencies in the passing game start with McAsh but, as you know better than I, extend elsewhere, and even a logarithmic improvement in QB play will be negated without improvements in these other areas.

by Quigley on Aug 22, 2025 11:33 AM CDT reply actions  

Their food is very straight down the middle stuff.

Sausages, meats, fish, cheese. Hearty food, high quality. Most of the country is a giant farm so they have good produce, cheese, beer, and meats. If you’re into exotica, Copenhagen has some fine dining stuff, but I don’t care about that. Their winters are pretty bleak, I think.

I really don’t think any running game can mask a bad passing game. If you can’t punish a defense at some basic level when they overplay the run, it just doesn’t work.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Copenhagen's climate

is pretty similar to the Pacific Northwest. Their summers are a bit cooler though.

So yeah, the winters suck.

"If God dwells inside us like some people say, I sure hope He likes enchiladas, because that's what He's getting."

by RedmondLonghorn on Aug 22, 2025 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Congrats to Lady Scipio

Are we to assume that the winner of the marathon was rewarded with a whole lamb?

by tronaldinho on Aug 22, 2025 11:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Correct.

You actually get a redeemable voucher.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does/Did Customs let you bring it in?

Or did you have to eat it there? Spit roasted lamb will be a tasty tailgating addition but I’ll be somewhat surprised if you were able to get it nac onto US soil.

by tx2step on Aug 22, 2025 6:52 PM CDT via Android app up reply actions  

one more thing...

Chris Brown has a piece on packaged plays up at Grantland. Basically, every team other than K-St and UT, should be running them.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8287610/packaged-plays-rethinking-concept-modern-play-calling

If OU doesn’t run a packaged concept by 2nd down in Dallas, then OU fans should ask for the OC head.

Tempo + packaged plays largely negates the defense’s ability to adjust to the defender that is being keyed. If teams run a packaged concept on 1st/2nd down, then they have a good idea how the D is protecting the defender that is being read. On 1st or 2nd down after a first down, they’ll run the same packaged concept with an adjustment to punish the defense’s adjustment.

College defensive coordinators that try to adjust their reads on teams playing with tempo will be taking great risk of busted coverages. The only way to get around it is to be so creative or lucky that the offense don’t have a package to make you bleed for your protection of read.

I would anticipate OU won’t show this prior to Dallas because it is so obvious. If they do show it, then it will likely be a carbon copy of OSU’s or WVU.

by Quigley on Aug 22, 2025 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

hey! we've got packages!

not the sort you’re talkin about but it;s packaged nonetheless

http://coachhoover.blogspot.ca/2011/09/boise-st-texas-shift-and-motion-package.html

by mattw on Aug 22, 2025 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes.

This is one way a run offense could be of sufficient complexity to negate expected deficiency in the pass game. OU’s got a similar problem on offense, running the ball when they really need 2-3 yds. The response was the Belldozer.

by Quigley on Aug 22, 2025 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I fully expect Diaz

to have some answers to the packaged concepts by the time we show up in Dallas. As Chris Brown mentioned, the first thing defenses will do is switch up the players covering the “stick” so the QB doesn’t know who to read. One great thing about having Vaccaro, is he could easily slip down into the role of outside linebacker in that curl /flat zone and cause some damage.

by texitect on Aug 22, 2025 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Summarizing Brown's thesis

Tempo + packaged plays largely negates the defense’s ability to adjust to the defender that is being keyed. If teams run a packaged concept on 1st/2nd down, then they have a good idea how the D is protecting the defender that is being read. On 1st or 2nd down after a first down, they’ll run the same packaged concept with an adjustment to punish the defense’s adjustment.
College defensive coordinators that try to adjust their reads on teams playing with tempo will be taking great risk of busted coverages. The only way to get around it is to be so creative or lucky that the offense don’t have a package to make you bleed for your protection of read.

by Quigley on Aug 22, 2025 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing

with these plays. You’re basically running the option, except instead of pitching it you are throwing downfield. You are talking about lightning quick decisions before throwing the ball.

Weeden was 28 years old and a quick decision maker operating against defenses that were totally unused to these concepts.
If you ask a QB to make these quick reads against a disguised defense that hits you with a Fire Zone, you may not find the post-snap read you expected and you may not have enough time or a throwing window to make it happen. Diaz can design Fire Zones that attack or complicate the commonly packaged concepts and make them a risky venture. He can also mix them in with a no-huddle defense.

It comes down to this: In the Big 12 you have to be able to “bend don’t break” some and make situational stands in the Red Zone and on 3rd down. As long as you don’t allow big plays from these they aren’t going to end your world, so it comes down to open field tackling and playing with leverage, like against everything else.

by Nickel Rover on Aug 22, 2025 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

pressure

One of the interesting things about Brown’s piece was that Weeden didn’t have to worry about pressure because the defense were reading the OL as a running play and not rushing the passer even. I wonder if the defensive response will be to temper this response somehow. Diaz was just recently talking about how many offensive concepts in the Big 12 read the DE. It seems like there’s got to be an interesting schematic defensive response.

by matonmacs on Aug 22, 2025 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, pressure

Because the OL is blocking like a draw, the initial block looks like a pass block, but then switches. The DL reads this and should pull back, really causing uncertainty in the in the DL pass rush.

by Quigley on Aug 22, 2025 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

this was interesting

but against a Fire Zone, the DL and blitzers will still be aggressive, you just need the 6 guys in coverage to know how to respond to these plays and be really good in space.

Teams that don’t have athletic, sound tacklers in the back 7 are going to have a tough time being aggressive against these packages. Like, Baylor.

by Nickel Rover on Aug 22, 2025 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cat-mouse

If OU can’t run it this year, with a 4th yr starter at QB, Finch in the slot, Millard at HB/TE, who can?

The fire zone is a useful response if it is correct. It gets back to being a cat-mouse game except this really pressures the defense to be sound in the back 7 and can suppress the DL’s pass rush instinct.

by Quigley on Aug 22, 2025 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Diaz knows how to make the Fire Zone correct

OU can give it a go, it matches some of your existing no-huddle philosophy.

But if the pre-snap read is confused that’s going to make it hard to make the post-snap read in time, and again we’re talking about something even riskier than making a pitch to a back here.

But overall, it’s a pretty big development and it makes life hard for LB’s and S’s.

by Nickel Rover on Aug 22, 2025 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The other interesting thing here

is officiating. I suspect that since the Big 12 management historically loves offense more than penalties we will see plenty of OL five yards + down the field (not called) on plays that turn out to be passes. But if I’m wrong, that may significantly effect the way these plays are run as far as the blocking schemes and I suspect the SEC will be less permissive.

I’m thinking this will play against us in the regular season but help us in the bowls.

by texitect on Aug 22, 2025 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fun

Yes it will be fun. I should have referenced NR and LHS as they’ve taught me a lot about my fixation with this topic.

Last post here. Interested in reading replies.

by Quigley on Aug 22, 2025 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting stuff

I’ll be curious to see how these plays work for Sumlin at A&M; this year. Packaged play concepts remind me of the zone read (both concepts read a defender, make him wrong) so if the offense gets clicking with high-level talent it’s extremely difficult to slow down.

I bet that this system involves a lot of rep-intensive timing concepts which do not lend themselves well to mid-season introduction. If a team is going to run these packaged plays, they’ll need to have them installed well before a particular game week.

by HawkHorn on Aug 22, 2025 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

nailed it wrt reps

the smartfootball guy is a noted leach/holgo honk and that, of course, is where all of this stems from. if you’ve read the leach book it’s basically hey reps, do some more reps, we repped, did some reps, repped it up, repped some more, repped, also…repped, then we repped. then goes and reads some doris kearns goodwin shit and talks about that and then more reps.

by mattw on Aug 22, 2025 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad you enjoyed Denmark

And spot-on observations. Drop-dead gorgeous women abound in Copenhagen, the food is actually good, the beer excellent, the airport gorgeous and easily navigable, the Danish people friendly and generally better English-speakers than most Americans, and Copenhagen itself clean and enjoyable with great nightlife. (Watch the Danish version of “The Killing” – which was the original show – for great shots of Copenhagen).

Oh, and did I mention the spectacular beauty of their women?

by CT-K-Stater on Aug 22, 2025 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

They probably speak English well

because they helped contribute to it. The Danelaw ain’t just a river in …

by Monahorns on Aug 22, 2025 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very true

And being a mercantile-oriented micro-economy amidst larger nations doesn’t hurt, either. It is noteworthy that after English, German is another language they’ve mastered.

by CT-K-Stater on Aug 22, 2025 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting thing about that

It’s even more simple. Their attitude is that English is important and that undue national language pride sets you back (see France) so they’re required to take it in school early and often. Additionally, they subtitle television and never dub. So Danish kids hear English every day. They’re the rare Euro country that’s patriotic (Danish flags everywhere) but simultaneously very comfortable acknowledging that knowing English and/or German is a must to be successful. The Dutch are the only other similar country I can think of. Most other nations are incredibly weird and conflicted about language, patriotism, American influence etc.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Norway is somewhat similar

I think. Maybe it’s a Nordic thing.

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by RedmondLonghorn on Aug 22, 2025 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Iceland is another, Scip

They, too, juggle their native tongue with German and English. And they speak English incredibly well.
I believe Germany also made English a requirement in the public school classroom from the earliest years through graduation in the late 1990s.

One other thing about Denmark…they celebrate the Fourth of July.

by CT-K-Stater on Aug 23, 2025 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was also in Denmark last week

and concur on all points, though the “faggy bike messenger” look may have been more prevalent than usual due to the annual Gay Pride festival that was happening in Copenhagen last week.

I actually saw Scipio at one of the museums there, looking trill:

by Texas Hedge on Aug 22, 2025 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pity about my nose job

Glad you enjoyed the Danes.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

And reason returns to the interwebs

Glad to see that you didn’t decide to stay and enjoy the"cuisine" permanently. I’m sure you get playboy for the articles too.

I’m just going to point out to those of you who think we roll Wyoming by 5 touchdowns, they will put a significantly better QB out on the field than we will. I expect the game to be fairly close going into the second half.

That said, between the heat, and Wyoming’s relative lack of depth we should pull away in the third and fourth quarter. I also expect half the impatient Texas fans to start booing Ash midway through his first drive.

As to the packaged play concept, I don’t see any reason (excepting QB inexperience) why Texas would not adopt some of those principals, nothing says they will only work in no huddle spread offenses.

by texitect on Aug 22, 2025 12:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed.

However, LHS’s point about defensive adjustment is cogent. Tempo really cramps this.

UT doesn’t want to use tempo, rightly. The Horns should want to focus on efficiency on offense and let their defense actually win games. K-St could benefit from this, especially if Klein’s passing has improved. But again, they also win with efficiency.

by Quigley on Aug 22, 2025 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice to see you back

Nassim Nicholas Taleb really got in your head, huh? Me too.

You laid out, in typically cogent Scipio Tex fashion what I have been wanting to shout from Mt. Bonnell regarding Ash and the great alleged QB controversy of 2012.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Aug 22, 2025 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

He definitely did

Although I knew about the Black Swan stuff back in college from a Principles of Philosophy class. Thanks for the compliment.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Why manufacture bungling when there's been so much real bungling?"

Thank you!

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by HornChamps on Aug 22, 2025 12:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Of all the places on the field to have questions

I would prefer to have questions about the WR core. All we need out of them is to block, catch the easy passes, and make someone cover them. If we can keep teams in a 7 man box we will win a lot of games.

by texitect on Aug 22, 2025 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Word

Thanks for the sanity on the QB situation. I didn’t respond but Wescott on BON flipped out when Harsin said both would play. If it’s a 50/50 system, I could get a little concerned, but I too want McCoy mentally ready if Ash implodes. I believe Mack is handling it this way based on his stated goal of not having the whole team’s success so dependent on the starting QB’s success.

If Ash plays well, he will get more and more time on the field as the teams get better. At the same time McCoy needs to be comfortable with the offense within his window of capability. I agree with the tactic. Now let’s see how well they execute it.

I guess I haven’t seen much True Freshmen drama. Maybe I just don’t remember it. It seems to me like the discussion is not about a positional savior but undeniable talent that will get a chance to contribute some. None on the OL are being called for. Duke Thomas news is reminiscent of Earl Thomas news, “Wow, this guy is really talented!”. Jonathan Gray noticeably has the best speed of the RBs but no one is calling for him to be a 30 touch per game guy. Daje and Jalen are probably the closest to being Freshmen heart throbs. Daje because we do need help at WR. Jalen because most think there was supposed to be an heir to the Ash package.

I do admit, I am really hopeful one of Daje, Kendall, or Caleb demotes an upperclassman though.

by Monahorns on Aug 22, 2025 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the X factor is a perception around Mack's meddling

I see no indication that Brown is second-guessing staff. I think other people are concerned about “same ’ol Mack” stuff. I just don’t see it. As for the freshmen, you’ll see it when the games start.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Mack meddled with Davis because he saw there was a problem.

No one ever accused Mack of meddling with Muschamp, because shit on defense was working.

Now that Harsin/White have the reins, I expect Mack is content to let them run with it as long as it all looks good/productive.

by notsofst on Aug 22, 2025 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Freshman infatuation

is in full force on other sites, so apparently at least a segment of the fanbase is in full-on crush mode.

The first glowing reports and pictures of Overstreet already had a sizable minority clamoring for him to get a shot at the job this year. Apparently a well-defined physique always equals moxieness. Oh, and Mike Davis should be benched and replaced with a platoon of Kendall Sanders, Marcus Johnson and Cayleb Jones. Malcom Brown should start at DT and FB. Shiro Davis is ready now. etc. etc.

by Big(g) Ern on Aug 22, 2025 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Really great point I hope people stop missing
At the same time McCoy needs to be comfortable with the offense within his window of capability.

When GoBR and many, many others mention Case, it comes across as he paid for a pimp to spit in their mom’s mouths. Case needs to be able to take the keys and unlock the door and at least try to turn the engine over if Tom Wort decides to fold over Ash Johnny Knox style. Whills said a similar thing as you.

Harsin wants a well fitted offensive plan for each of the QBs and their related offensive groups in, ideally, all relative field situations. This is very ambitious, but, I’m sure, this process will be a feature of the Horns for years to come. This is not GDGD cutting and pasting an offensive plan on the fly for the QB, this is definitely a planned preparation for worst-case scenarios. And it implies a depth of serious game planning for whoever our QBs are.

Dead on IMO.

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by run Bevo run on Aug 22, 2025 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

So true
makes sense to have Case McCoy mentally bought in to bring him in to win games for us

I agree with Scip. Case McCoy is a proven winner. He may not make it look pretty out there, but Case is heady, clutch, and scrappy. And all he does is win.

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by BrickHorn on Aug 22, 2025 1:29 PM CDT reply actions  

2009 quarterback situation

Am sure Mack has learned something from 2009 and Alabama. With our 2012 defense, all we need is average-good play at quarterback to win 10 games, IMO. The way Mack is setting up 2012, hopefully we have someone who can be good at quarterback, and someone who can be at least " average" at QB should “good” go down.

by Burntorangebaybe on Aug 22, 2025 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Faggy Bike Messenger?

It's like Meow-schwitz in there!

by HornsRiverine on Aug 22, 2025 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Aren't they basically doing this movie again?

I saw some shitty preview ad that made me laugh out loud. I thought it was a parody at first. They’re serious, apparently.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Called “Premium Rush”

Basically, we’ve come to the point where our movie writers are utterly incapable of original thought

by NateHeupel on Aug 22, 2025 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking

Joseph Gordon-Leavitt is the new Kevin Bacon. That’s gonna be something like his 30th movie role this year.

The CGI in the trailer looks hilarious, fwiw.

by Dagga Roosta on Aug 22, 2025 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

John Harris

will not be 4th or 5th receiver, dude should be #2 or #3.

by bbdodge on Aug 22, 2025 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

I actually think he's #3

Practice reports have him blocking well, having good hands, and fighting for the ball.

If he keeps that up during games, the guy won’t see the bench until he needs a breather.

by notsofst on Aug 22, 2025 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suspect

the depth chart position of the skill players all change based on what the offense is trying to accomplish. I imagine Harris will see a lot of the field when there’s only 2 WR in the game, since that’s bound to be a running formation and he’s a natural blocker. But in trips or 4 wide they might take him out for DJ or Daje. In terms of overall playing time, I’m not sure if he passes Marquise, Jaxon, or Mike Magic. But based on what we’re hearing I’m thinking he won’t be too far behind either.

by Dagga Roosta on Aug 22, 2025 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Occams Razor

thats the 2nd time ive seen the term used in print this week. i guess twitter made getting to the point popular again.

by 55f100tx on Aug 22, 2025 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Welcome back, Scipio.

My sister lives in Copenhagen and I had similar impressions on my visit there. Stunning women, good food, and a very sane, grown-up vibe from the Danes.

I agree on the naming of a starter at QB—tempest in a teapot. In addition to the coaches keeping Ash and McCoy motivated, I thought Monahorns hit it with his comment on our move to a less QB-centric offense. Ash has clearly won the job but the coaches just as clearly want to keep McCoy prepped in case Ash gets hurt or plays poorly. I suspect both will play in most games with a similar snap distribution to what we have seen in fall camp when conditions allow.

Not sure if you saw SI’s college football pre-view issue last week featuring an article on the Sabanization of the game. Saban’s “process” was reminiscent of this blog’s discussions from two years ago of Mack needing to be more focused on that approach. Our program is clearly trying to re-make itself to compete with ’Bama and other SEC beasts with fast, physical defense and power-running/play action passing offense. Accordingly, the obsession with a savior at QB is out of date as we look to Ash to be more like McElroy/McCarron than VY/Colt..

by hh500 on Aug 22, 2025 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Stunning women, good food, and a very sane, grown-up vibe from the Danes.


Good nutshell description. I’d let my SI subscription run out, but will definitely go seek out that article. Thanks for the heads up.

by Scipio Tex on Aug 22, 2025 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's my conjecture on the ASH v Mccoy games.

In the past… not too distant past I might add. There were rumors of a Case Mccoy transfer. Methinks there was too much smoke surrounding those rumors to be vacuous. Fast forward one year. Lets make sure we wait til last possible moment to declare that Case isn’t starter. Because last year when it was known Gilbert was starter, Mccoy was one healthy game away from Gilbert away from transferrring.

With so much youth at QB we’re stringing the Mccoy’s along to keep him in tune and not with his head elsewhere.

Hey, its a theory.

by Orangechipper on Aug 22, 2025 11:05 PM CDT reply actions  


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