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Week 8 Lines

The second week of the ratings vs. point spreads for this season was a wash. The ratings went 25-25-0 against the spread. Season to date:

Confidence Record
Overall 58-42-2
14+ 7-2-0
10+ 5-7-1
7+ 11-10-0
35-23-1

This week's lines:

Line Pick Conf
Arkansas +9 @ Kentucky Kentucky 14.53
Miami (FL) -4.5 @ Duke Duke 14.05
Michigan +23.5 @ Penn St. Penn St. 13.37
Missouri +6 @ Texas Texas 12.31
Wake Forest -1.5 @ Maryland Wake Forest 10.32
LSU -3 @ South Carolina South Carolina 9.58
Ohio St. -3 @ Michigan St. Michigan St. 9.30
Baylor +16.5 @ Oklahoma St. Oklahoma St. 8.77
Connecticut pk @ Rutgers Connecticut 8.13
BYU pk @ TCU TCU 8.12
Pittsburgh -3 @ Navy Navy 7.85
Army +11.5 @ Buffalo Buffalo 7.81
Akron -3.5 @ Eastern Michigan Akron 7.69
Miami (OH) +9.5 @ Bowling Green Bowling Green 7.43
Kansas +20 @ Oklahoma Oklahoma 7.27
Purdue +4 @ Northwestern Northwestern 7.07
Wisconsin +3.5 @ Iowa Iowa 6.13
Houston -12.5 @ SMU Houston 5.60
Stanford +2 @ UCLA Stanford 5.29
Hawaii +24.5 @ Boise St. Hawaii 5.25
Nebraska -7 @ Iowa St. Nebraska 4.56
North Texas +18.5 @ Louisiana-Monroe Louisiana-Monroe 4.52
Air Force -4.5 @ UNLV Air Force 4.37
Texas Tech -20.5 @ Texas A&M; Texas Tech 3.55
Idaho +20.5 @ Louisiana Tech Lousiana Tech 3.28
Georgia Tech -2 @ Clemson Georgia Tech 3.28
Middle Tennessee St. +14.5 @ Louisville Middle Tennessee St. 3.27
Western Michigan +2.5 @ Central Michigan Western Michigan 3.17
Indiana +15 @ Illinois Indiana 2.86
Southern Miss +3 @ Rice Rice 2.80
Vanderbilt +15 @ Georgia Vanderbilt 2.78
San Jose St. -2.5 @ New Mexico St. New Mexico St. 2.48
Colorado St. +21.5 @ Utah Colorado St. 2.48
Syracuse +24 @ South Florida Syracuse 2.44
Southern Cal -42.5 @ Washington St. Washington St. 2.40
Mississippi +13 @ Alabama Alabama 2.30
California -2.5 @ Arizona Arizona 2.01
San Diego St. +14.5 @ New Mexico San Diego St. 1.68
Toledo +7.5 @ Northern Illinois Northern Illinois 1.53
UTEP +17.5 @ Tulsa Tulsa 1.47
Florida St. -10.5 @ North Carolina St. North Carolina St. 1.39
Kansas St. +3.5 @ Colorado Kansas St. 1.18
Arkansas St. +3.5 @ Louisiana-Lafayette Arkansas St. 1.12
Virginia Tech +2.5 @ Boston College Boston College 1.07
Oregon St. -13.5 @ Washington Oregon St. 1.04
Florida International +8 @ Troy Florida International 0.89
Memphis +8.5 @ East Carolina East Carolina 0.75
Marshall -2.5 @ UAB UAB 0.55
North Carolina -5 @ Virginia North Carolina 0.42
Mississippi St. +7.5 @ Tennessee Tennessee 0.40
Utah St. +21 @ Nevada Nevada 0.23
Florida Atlantic +1 @ Western Kentucky Florida Atlantic 0.13

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The record against the spread is only relevant to gamblers. As a non-gambling college football fan, I’m more interested in how your ratings fared straight-up. I know they miscalculated on the Texas-OU result, but how did they fare otherwise?

by BrickHorn on Oct 15, 2025 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

It’ll take a little bit but I can backcheck later.

by Huckleberry on Oct 15, 2025 10:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Just FYI, my simplistic model is predicting another toss-up against Missouri. Of course, it doesn’t account for home/away or quality of opponents. And it does not weight recent games more heavily than early games. All of these factors favor Texas, so a properly adjusted model should predict a Texas win.

by BrickHorn on Oct 15, 2025 10:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Forget about the computers. The way I see it, if Mizzou outscores Texas, Mizzou will pull off the big win in Austin. But if Texas outscores Mizzou, look out! - because the Longhorns will stampede their way to another victory.

by Lee Corso on Oct 15, 2025 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Huck, is there a correlation between the success of your ratings and the number of games played? In other words, do your ratings peform better earlier in the year and then tail off down the road indicating sharper lines?

by Trips Right on Oct 15, 2025 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

That Duke/Miami line just feels dirty. This definitely ain’t 2001.

OU pummels Kansas at home.

I agree on the Penn State line as well. Michigan is going into early hibernation.

by Vasherized on Oct 15, 2025 12:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Trips -

They stay pretty consistent when you consider the confidence numbers. Obviously later in the year there are very few picks with high confidence values (and lots of those are because of injuries, etc. that the ratings can’t take into account).

The 35-23 record in the low confidence range so far is flukey. Typically those have been in the 52% range. Not enough to make money after the vig. I would normally expect a 30-28 record over 58 outcomes.

by Huckleberry on Oct 15, 2025 12:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Huck,

So what other factors do you take into account in determining which games to actually bet on? Or is this just your own little petri dish a la Vegas that you experiment with for fun?

by Vasherized on Oct 15, 2025 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I just use it as an objective input. I start at the top of the list and then decide if there’s any good reason not to bet that way. I usually stay away from huge lines for lots of reasons, and I also don’t think that the ratings method does that well with huge lines. Obviously true team strength becomes less of an issue in a blowout as the leading team goes into clock mode with backups.

But I don’t bet that often.

by Huckleberry on Oct 15, 2025 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Okay, here are some tables with the performances for the ratings so far. The first three tables are for predictive performance beginning once the ratings had a reasonable amount of data. The final table is retrodictive, meaning that it takes the current ratings and applies them back over games already played to see how they perform. The left-hand column, of course, shows the predicted margin of victory for a team. These are not based on point spreads, just wins and losses and includes all college football games, not just D-1A.

10/4 Weekend W L WPCT Overall 249 82 0.752 21+ 87 5 0.946 14+ 48 9 0.842 7+ 60 31 0.659 <7 54 37 0.593 10/11 Weekend W L WPCT Overall 254 78 0.765 21+ 71 6 0.922 14+ 61 8 0.886 7+ 66 22 0.747 <7 56 42 0.571

            


Season Totals
W
L
WPCT

Overall 503 160 0.759 21+ 158 11 0.935 14+ 109 17 0.865 7+ 126 53 0.704 <7 110 79 0.582

            


Retrodictive
W
L
WPCT

Overall 1835 268 0.873 21+ 626 0 1.000 14+ 391 6 0.985 7+ 415 58 0.877 <7 403 204 0.664

by Huckleberry on Oct 16, 2025 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

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