Texas Bringing Bo Wallace in for a Visit

Is he Cam Newton 2? Because that would be ok.

Makes me feel warm and cuddly.

I’m of 2 minds on this right now - while it would be good to have another QB (esp one we think can play right away) - does this further retard the development of Ash?

Will be an EE?

How many years of eligibility would this guy have if he made the transfer?

Encouraging, and it raises a couple of questions: 1.) Can things move quickly enough that he can enroll for the spring semester? 2.) Is this an indication that Case has told the staff that he will transfer. (Or, I guess the counter to this is whether this is a signal to Case that he should transfer0)

I think David Ash has already retarded the development of David Ash. I hope I will eat crow in a year or two but I just don’t see him as the long-term option. I know he’s young and had to play much earlier than the coaching staff wanted him to; however, I just haven’t seen anything that he’s done that makes me think he’ll be a good/great QB in the future.

Apparently Ty missed the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl.

Either way, this is a smart move. It lets you redshirt Brewer and Overstreet.

here’s a profile on bo (remove the x from hxttp):

hxttp://247sports.com/Player/Bo-Wallace-6420?pi=27797

he threw 3 td’s per int and averaged 67% completions. 4604 yd passing (53 td) and 206 yd running (5 td).

Whatever happened to that other guy (the texas tech QB who graduated early whose name escapes me?)

Texas is one half of the way towards being a legitimate contender for the BCS title.

I don’t care how good a group of backs you have, with a young line (and if with bringing in Hawkins you still have youngsters at two key positions) you must have a credible down field passing threat.

Texas still is a long way from being consistent throwing the ball and I bringing in Wallace is the best way to evaluate the offense and take advantage of the window of opportunity the Horns would be damn fools not to do it.

Ty. Ash is a freshman and managed the bowl game quite well. No turnovers. No big mistakes. And his team won.

Take a deep breath and remind yourself that a kid that was in high school 8 months ago shouldn’t be starting for Texas, or any major program.

looks like great insurance.

agree with vash that he would guarantee el camisa rojo for the new guys. would also take pressure off david and let him progress at his pace.

he will have three seasons to play three wherever he goes.

Ash gets hurt next season who becomes the replacement??? If you have to plug in Brewer then he would lose the redshirt. Waste a year of his elgiblity and developement. Need a backup QB that can be effective if Ash gets hurt during the season.

striker - that’s the question, really, and why I generally like the call. But are we bringing him in as a backup or as a starter? If he’s a backup, why would he want to come here unless he has no other opportunity? If the starter, is that because we think we can win NOW with him under center? IF we can start him to win now and still develop Ash and redshirt Brewer & Overstreet, then it’s a grand slam.

If bringing in some real competition retards Ash’s development then there really wasn’t much to develop in the first place. I like the “win now” mindset. Too many other things are heading in the right direction to let the question mark at QB jeopardize what we might be able to accomplish over the next two years.

This verifies that the UT staff have decided that McCoy will not be the QB or McCoy told staff that he will be transferring. Not sure if this is proactive or reactive.

Ash has potential. Shame he did not get a year to sit, learn and refine his skills. Did not attent spring practice, was 4th QB on roster and finished the starting QB for Texas at the end of season. He did very well and has a good ceiling.

McCoy needs to go. Tired of the drama he brings to the locker room.

I’m not good at judging game tape. He looks like he could at least provide viable upperclassman depth. I’ll feel better with him at second team QB than I do with Case as he played this past season. The Suchomel article I read indicated that Wallace would have three years to play three season (he used his redshirt at Arkansas State according to the article).

The absolute statement about not having seen “anything” to indicate Ash may be a “good/great” QB in the future has gone from merely inaccurate to idiotic. This is not to say that Ash is guaranteed to be great, but he has surely shown on many plays that he can be quite capable. With consistent performance and continuing improvement Ash has surely indicated he could be a solid QB at this level.

I’ll trust HarsinWhite on this one.

Striker, Ash was at spring practice last year. The announcers talked about him quite a bit during the broadcast of the Spring Game. He evidently had already made a good impression on the team.

Overstreet will get his shot a QB but seems like a potential strong safety with development. Albeit, he could develop on either side of the ball.

WanderingHorn- That is the big question that has to play itself out during spring practice. Worse scenario, Ash would still get his set of plays because of his ability to run and strong arm.

I was wrong. I was thinking Ash was not at spring practice. Thanks for the info Roma.

Either way, he was the 4th string QB and did not get pertainent amount of snaps to develop and be designated as a first or second string QB. Demonstrates he has potential to be a very good QB.

regarding why bo would come here, i can guarantee you after the season he just had that he expects to either start or play a lot. not going to be many opportunities for him to play alongside the talent he would find here, and having wily wylie and canny manny around in addition to our excellent offensive staff just makes his odds for success all that much greater.

he could find a powderkeg looking for just the spark he can provide, and he knows it.

I’m with RomaVicta on this. Every time somebody says something like “Ash has shown no evidence whatsoever that he can ever be anything”, I think to myself “hey, there is another moron and wants people to know it.”

i bet bryan sees dash as having as much potential as any qb he has coached.

Can #11 come with him?

I view this move as one of possibility. Bring Wallace in and let him compete. If Ash beats him out, he’s quality depth that allows you to redshirt Brewer while still working Overstreet in on packages if Harsin and Applewhite want to do that. If he beats Ash out then Ash is quality depth that does the same.

The only issue is that Ash and Wallace will be the same class, sophomores next season. But we’ve seen what happens when you don’t have enough quarterbacks.

Ralph - I had the same thought when watching that video.

Ash had a solid year with the circumstances this year. Ash will be vastly improved over the offseason as will the O-Line. I think Wallace is a must becasue of the Case drama and if Ash would get hurt Case does not have the physical (arm) Div 1 football

So who kidnapped Mack Brown and brought in the cyborg replacement?
And who is actually controlling said replacement?
What is going on here?

He’s dreamy

1. GJ Kinny (sp?) transferred to Tulsa- Felt the staff was all in that Gilbert would replace Colt
2. Gilbert - Just a bad choice. He is a system QB. Will do well in a SMU/Houston system
3. Allowed another QB to transfer
4. Case McCoy- Example of entitlement

1A. Good decision- offer Ash a scholly. Good decision

Four poor decisions, thus the scenario today.

Now the following decisions made from 2008-2011 have made the scenario of the QB’s depth we face for the next two seasons. What is the resolution to ament the mistakes or poor judgement made previously???

It’s too early to start drinking. Besides - as they say ‘round these parts, I feel like I been shot at and missed, and shit at and hit. All that notwithstanding, I am gruntled by this move. Like most of you, I’m assuming this means an end, one way or t’other, to the multi-McCoy Drama Club shows we were treated to this season. Whether Wallace is The Answer depends first and foremost upon the answer to What Is The Question?

Tapes of Wallace make him appear to be a decent passer. Beating everybody else in your league is a strong accomplishment regardless of who comprises your league. He certainly throws better than McCoy Minor, and while he looks pretty skinny, he doesn’t look frail. Definitely worth having a good long in-person evaluation.

All in all, this seems to be a Good Thing, even if it turns out there’s really no mutual interest. I suspect that it’s a combination of filling a backup role (if not a starter role) and showing DG-B that we’re fucking SERIOUS about throwing the ball to him as often as possible.

Jacob Karam, the Tech Xfer… in all the Holidaziness, I think I recall having seen somewhere that we have told him we don’t have a scholly to spare right this instant, but if he enrolls at Our School, and walks on, and makes the Team, we’ll by God FIND a scholly for him… anyone know aught about that?

I like the look of Wallace. After the first minute or so I was disappointed since he looked like another one-read spread QB, but as you get into the highlights you see him going through progressions or tucking it and running when his first option isn’t open. Doesn’t look like he takes snaps from under center, but I am guessing that won’t be too much of an issue.

I do worry about the 3 to play 3 and would have preferred to see us take Crist to ensue a smoother path of succession (and the almost immediate jettison if he can’t win the job), but I doubt he would have considered us once Weis called. Karam scares me in that he hasn’t started since HS and we can see what Wallace is capable of against more developed talent. Karam or Wallace could bail if they don’t get the job this season since both would have a season to play at another school, so there is no guarantee that either of them would hang around to play back-up.

I’d take #5 too.

I see this in terms of recruiting as much as anything, guessing DGB and perhaps moreso the kid from Skyline are eying the hook and we need a little more bait.

Like it…Almost seems as if we don’t have a choice.
We need some depth. Case likely to move on. We really need to be able to redshirt Brewer and/or Overstreet. Sad that UT is at this point. Not sure what coaches can do about QBs transferring when they don’t get to start. Is this a huge issue at other schools too?

I have been told that the players have confidence that Ash will develop into a very good quarterback - the feeling seems to be he just needs to grow into the role and gain confidence. From a physical aspect, he commands great respect from his teammates. He was a freaking true freshman this year. More than anything, he just needs to develop confidence and get comfortable with the playbook and play instinctively. Ash didn’t get starter snaps until this fall - give him a spring of those reps and a summer to hone his skills and develop rapport with his receivers over the summer, and I think we’ll see a drastically improved player next fall.

The bottom line is that Texas has one quarterback who they believe can play at the level they need for him to play to compete for titles. That is based not only upon the assumption that he will continue to improve to that level (Something I think is possible.), but that it take place at a fairly rapid clip.

You have a back-up who really has not shown the physical tools needed to compete at that level.

Two true freshman and not matter how talent are true freshmen, one of which was picked by your new Co-OC and the other was basically the best athlete on the field and very raw.

So what again would be the downside of landing Bo Wallace besides competition for snaps and I don’t think many of us see true, honest competition as a bad thing.

It’s almost impossible to win the MNC without a Jr or Sr QB.

If you have one of those, and they’re mistake-free, a great running game + a lock-down defense buys you a ticket to the MNC game vs either USC or the SEC champ.

The JUCO QB of the year
+
Brown + Bergeron + Gray
+
Diaz D
=
strong likelihood we play USC or SEC champ next year in BCS Championship

If we get Bo Wallace, then Mack Brown has officially changed from the “Man in Orange” to the “Man in Black” in my opinion. And Stoops would know it’s a new ballgame now.

“1. GJ Kinny (sp?) transferred to Tulsa- Felt the staff was all in that Gilbert would replace Colt”

GJ Kinne and Gilbert were 2 recruiting classes apart and Gilbert had no affect on Kinne’s decision whatsoever. At the time of his transfer, Kinne was running 4th string behind Colt, Harris and Chiles. Kinne game to Texas gambling that he could beat out a redshirt freshman (at the time of Kinne’s signing) McCoy and after the spring it was obvious to him that it was not going to happen.

david ash highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8T0CoD5dBk&feature=player_embedded

I think you see a lot of improvement throughout the year—esp. in the Cal game.

I also think there is a good chance Ash can be the guy we need him to be. I don’t think it’s a sure thing, though. And I don’t mind bringing in Wallace to replace McCoy if McCoy is leaving. I don’t watch Wallace’s highlights and see a sure thing with a Nat’l Championship upside though. Just me. Hope I’m wrong.

My thought: Why Not?

If Ash shines in the spring and fall and takes a strong hold of the starter spot, Perfect. If not, you’ve got another option that isn’t a true freshman. This is not a Montessori Pre School. Produce or sit. We are painfully thin at QB, Case McCoy is not good enough to be a back up at this point. You need to bring in another QB.

this a freebie from bobby burton:

According to Buddy Stephens, the HC at East Mississippi Junior College, his quarterback Bo Wallace is flying to Indianapolis today then driving over to Bloomington, Ind., to visit IU today. He flies to Dallas on Friday, then travels to Waco to see Baylor on Friday.

Wallace will then be visiting Texas officially on Saturday.

However, a short junior college dead period starts Sunday so it will be just a one-day visit to Texas.

Wallace then plans to visit Mississippi State in the middle of the week.

Wallace was called last night by Texas co-offensive coordinator Bryan Harsin. According to Stephens, Harsin offered Wallace a scholarship.

Wallace is a mid-term graduate so he will make a decision and enroll at the college of his choice in the next week to 10 days.

Wallace, a Pulaski, Tenn., native, was thought to be leaning toward Mississippi State prior to the Texas offer primarily because of his desire to play in the SEC.

However, Texas presents a different option for Wallace.

Interestingly, Wallace is being recruited to Mississippi State by former Texas wide receiver Les Koening, who is currently the offensive coordinator at MSU.

Wallace originally signed with Arkansas State out of high school before transferring to East Mississippi JUCO. Texas signed defensive tackle Brandon Moore from East Mississippi JUCO earlier this recruiting campaign.

those are really good vids you do, alphalpha. ’preciate your work.

Respectfully disagree, Horncasting. Here’s the timeline, as I remember it. Correct me if I’m in error:

1. Nov.-Dec. 2006 — Kinne commits to Texas when the presumed QB frontrunner for the class of ’07 decommits. That was John Brantley, who stayed in-state with Florida.
2. November 2006 — Having played the ’06 season with a RS frosh at QB (McCoy major) and a true frosh at backup (Snead), Snead figured out the pecking order and transferred to Mississippi.
3. 2007 season — We played the season with McCoy backed by Sh. Harris and incoming freshmen Chiles and GJ Kinne. Colt stayed healthy (despite some dreadful O-line problems), Chiles played as part of the “all-freshman offense,” and Kinne RS.
4. Feb 2008 — Gilbert commited to Texas the day after the 2008 class signed. Gilbert wanted to commit BEFORE signing day, and Mack talked him down.
5. Spring 2008 — Kinne was 3 or 4 on the depth chart. Gilbert was already commited, and being called the anointed one, the next in the Vince-Colt line of succession.
6. April 2008 — Kinne announced he was transferring.

McCoy having two more years as starter, and Gilbert’s coronation a year later, told Kinne where he stood.

Had Kinne stayed, he’d have been a third-year sophomore in 2009. When Colt went down, Kinne would have played most of the Alabama game (assuming we RS Gilbert, which we should have).

regarding mack, i think i can guarantee you that anything that bryan and major and the gang want to do is going to fly with him.

Hmmm… Indiana, Baylor, Miss. State… and Texas. I dunno what the QB sitch is at the first three, but I doubt he’s guaranteed to start anywhere else. The only one I’d think much of here would be Baylor, and between their atrocious D and filling some Really Big Shoes (and after seeing Waco) I don’t know that I’d want to take that option if it were my choosing going on. Surprised Fat Cholly hasn’t offered him at KU for the all-new Eleven Quarterbacks offense he’s planning.

Not saying he’s guaranteed to start here, but if that’s an issue with him, he’s not guaranteed anywhere else, either… is he?

edsp - Excellent timeline and explanation. Well stated.

strong likelihood we play USC or SEC champ next year in BCS Championship

Let’s not start sucking each other’s dicks quite yet.

Tex Long,

IU and MSU have a bunch of guys with no one really standing out, IU lost their big QB commit, while at MSU you have the worst offense in the SEC. Kevin Wilson is at IU and he can claim Bradford while Mullins I came can claim Tebow and to some extent Newton.

In the case of Baylor they have Florence as a senior, a frosh they red-shirted, and then no one else that really stands out. The selling point there obviously is Briles can claim his system and coaching took a kid no one thought could play QB and won the statue so just imagine what I can do with you Bo.

Selling point for me at UT is that we are a qb away from competing for a title, we are only offering you a chance, but if you are the guy we can do great things here.

hxttp://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Bo-Wallace-68369 (remove the x)

thinking about bo’s timeline. i see that he was a 2-star qb out of high school. a small southern tennessee program. he opted for arkansas state where he redshirted and then transferred to east mississippi where he lit it up for one season.

since bo can transfer after one season, then it is clear that he didn’t have to go jc. i’m betting someone (maybe his hs coach? maybe the arkie state people?) told him he is much better than to play at the arkansas st level and suggested he go beat up the jc ranks for a season to get his name out there. then find the best looking powder keg he can and blow it up.

my guess.

if this kid is really good and rivals had him at two stars, he becomes another link in my chain to hang the recruiting services.

ok, you schools out there that chafed when we had 3-star colt mccoy, we’ve got an angle for a TWO-STAR kid now. say your prayers.

yeh,

You don’t wake up next to Miss America with both of you wearing rings on your left ring fingers and tell her to get a lawyer because she can do much better than you.

Wallace is no Miss America, but there is no way in the world anyone associated with ASU told he he was too good to be playing at their level.

In fact ASU finished the year 10-2 and are in a bowl. I can’t guarantee it, but maybe if just might have something to do with the fact he was sitting behind at that time a guy who played as a rs-frosh in 2009 and was all conference in 2010 as a soph. Wallace knew he would not see the field until the starter was gone and left to get immediate snaps.

Wallace has a really quick release - arm strength seems average. Harsin may like his running ability as well.

Davey well done. Excellent

Karam is looking at Uof H ,UTEP and Indiana

I like the fact that TEXAS is making this move. If Case last name wasnt McCoy would he even receive an offer? We all know the answer to that one

I think this is great. In the end Texas needs QBs from a roster management perspective. Is Ash going to be the answer. I hope so, but there is no guarantee. This probably means that Case transfer is highly likely. Also means that if Brewer needs time to develop the coaching staff can do that. This move is less about finding the next Cam Newton and more about giving us options to develop the position in the future or Wallae could light it up and own 6th street

2011 STATS:

David Ash - Games 13, Comp 99, Att 174, Comp% 56.9, Yds 1,079, Tds 4, 8 Ints.

Bo Wallace - Games 12, Comp 336, Att 502, Comp% 66.9, Yds 4,604, Tds 53, 14 Ints.

Keep in mind Ash did not play in the first two games and he shared snaps with Case, Bo’s numbers are impressive he averaged 383.7 yards a game. I think he would be a great addition to the team. this would allow Connor to red shirt and Ash to develop giving us stability at the position for years to come.

@1776
“It’s almost impossible to win the MNC without a Jr or Sr QB.”

Unless you are the predestined Tim Tebow.

Our ‘Horns will have probably the best group of RB’s in its history.
We’ll have an outstanding group of young receivers.
Searels will have several, young, massive linemen to coach up.

Do we need to even discuss the potential for our Defense next year?

Without a passing threat, the development of the Harsinwhite Offense is limited.
Find a QB that can throw, and the potential for the Offense explodes.
We’re a QB away from threatening to dominate.

This is a no-brainer.

Reggie, the same of the offer to lil vaccaro. McCoy should transfer and take the drama with him too.

Any QB that was good enough to redshirt at Arkansas St should be good enough to start at UT. Nice pickup.

Bring him in and let him compete with Ash. May the best player win. Although I have my doubts about Mack’s “open” competitions. We are relying on too many iffs with Ash at this point. What if he becomes consistant, what if he progresses, what if he starts making the correct reads. These are all hopefull scenarios that have not played out yet. Bo Wallace is insurance if not the answer for next year. Everybody should be on board with this decision, its that obvious to me. And I dont even make 5.3M like Mack to be an expert!

Here’s the bio on Bo Wallace at the time he signed with Arkansas State (Feb. 2010). He was a 2-star by Rivals at that time, but other services had him ranked higher:

Bo Wallace, QB, 6-4, 195, Pulaski, Tenn. (Giles County)
He led the Giles County High School football team to a Class 4A state title and a 14-game winning streak. . . As a senior Wallace had a 70-percent completion rate, 3,287 yards passing, 37 passing touchdowns, and 47 total scores. He also had 4,195 total yards, breaking a state record. . . Wallace also ranked in the top five in state history in total touchdowns (2nd), passing touchdowns (T-3rd), and passing yardage (5th). . . Wallace earned The Tennesseean’s All-Midstate Football Player of the Year award, and he was also one of 11 Tennessee Titans Mr. Football honorees. . . Senior season was named Region 12-4A MVP and was the MVP of the 4A state championship game . . . Also in 2009, named Super All-State, Tennesseean State Player of the Year, Tennesseean Dream Team member . . . Finished his career with 8,778 yards of total offense and 6,395 passing yards, which rank fifth and seventh all-time in the state, respectively . . . Junior season was the Region 5-3A Offensive Player of the Year, 3A All-State selection, Hazelgreen 7-on-7 MVP, an Army All-America Combine participant and an EA Sports Elite 11 participant . . . Completed 99-of-164 passing attempts for 1,243 yards and 12 touchdowns, while also rushing 153 times for 1,139 yards and 10 touchdowns in 2008 . . . Sophomore season was the Region 5-3A Quarterback of the Year and an all-state selection, completing 100-of-170 passing attempts for 1,696 yards and 15 touchdowns . . . Also ran 81 times for 353 yards and three touchdowns as a sophomore . . . Freshman year was the National Underclassmen Combine Freshman MVP and Ultimate 100 participant.

respectfully disagree with Wallace having a “quick release”…Not slow but not quick either. And he forces a few passes that his receivers bailed him out on and he has a ton of time to go through his progressions. But I am all in for the necessity of depth and playing experience.

re Bo Wallace’s stats.

Ash was a true freshman playing the third toughest schedule in the country (per Sagarin, last I checked). With a young offensive line and dinged up or injured playmakers, after receiving limited to no reps in the spring, summer and fall.

Bo was playing JUCO ball for a team that looks pretty talented compared to the competition.

I think you gotta watch Wallace’s tape and ask yourself, put this guy in the OU game next year. Are we getting more points than we’d get with Ash? I don’t think there’s an obvious yes to that answer. But I’m willing to reserve judgment. I definitely think he’s a great get if Case is leaving.

I’m not sure Wallace is so good that it’s worth taking a bunch of reps away from Ash in the off/pre-season. That’s not an Ash/Wallace debate. Ash just has more experience in our offense and it seems to me that Ash has a higher upside in our offense. Wouldn’t necessarily have the same opinion if we were running the spread. Just my $.02.

Gay,

The quarterback at ASU this year would have easily started at Texas. Don’t let the school that Bo originally signed with influence perception on the level of talent currently on the roster at the quarterback position in Austin.

Remember that the ONLY reasons Ash played this year was the melt-down that took place when Harsin tried to insert Gilbert into his offense (Not playing the staff just the situation was a very, very bad fit for many reasons.), Wood was about as accurate as a pollster in Iowa two weeks ago, and McCoy doesn’t have the physical tools. If things had gone to plan Texas would have had Gilbert start this year and Ash be worked into the games as and when he was ready.

“But are we bringing him in as a backup or as a starter? If he’s a backup, why would he want to come here unless he has no other opportunity? If the starter, is that because we think we can win NOW with him under center?”

I think it’s clear from Mack’s press conference after the bowl game that he thinks we can win in 2012. The defense will be one of the best in the country. The O-line is in hand and staff projections are for considerable improvement there. The running backs will be outlandishly good. Receivers are expected to improve a lot. A serious search for a legit TE is on. QB is the bottleneck and the ceiling. Ash has shown encouraging signs, but is still a project. Case is definitely a project. Brewer will be a true freshman. The staff wants to win IMMEDIATELY, so they are looking to bring in someone with a proven skill set. He does not have to be Cam Newton. He just needs to be able to control the game and make the throws that Harsin’s offense requires to be made to keep the running game opened up.

Great move, imo.

"It’s almost impossible to win the MNC without a Jr or Sr QB."

Unless you are the predestined Tim Tebow.

I think the first season the Gators won with Tebow he was mainly a change-of-pace guy (mostly a runner near the goal line) and a frosh, and Chris Leak, a former high school # 1 or #2 QB recruit, was The Man at QB. I think Chris was a senior that season, so you haven’t really disproven the point …

Even a superficial glance at our qb play this year would reveal the truth and wisdom in bringing in Wallace, and 17 other qb prospects from anywhere we can find them. And kickoff specialists, and punters. Seriously. Hold open auditions. Beg JUCO players to visit. Virtually anything at these three posiitons would be an upgrade.

First, this: “He led the Giles County High School football team to a Class 4A state title and a 14-game winning streak”

I always like to see that with the QB take. So much to be said about guys from championship winning programs doing well in college (e.g.: Drew Brees, Andy Dalton, cf: Garrett Gilbert).

But I concur with the consensus here. If he is willing to come in and compete with Ash, and not just be anointed starter, what is the downside?

For those of you curious about #11

hxttp://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/59557/lacolton-bester

you know the drill - remove the X at the begining.

His name is LaColton Bester. His height ranges from 6’0 to 6’3 & 177-205lbs depending on who you check. HS Class of 2009.

No-brainer of a move.

With respect to Case, there’s quite a lot of smoke that he was shopping himself to other programs during bowl workouts. That, combined with his exploits during the OU game and the fact that he’s one of two people in America that doesn’t realize his physical/technique shortcomings means that he’s out the door one way or the other.

That means you have NO option but to bring in another QB. Even if Ash meets the loftiest expectations for development in the off-season, you’re still one snap away from burning the redshirt of an unprepared Brewer, and there’s no guarantee that Ash progresses as we hope he will (I think there’s a lot to like, but no guarantees whatsoever). You have to get off the true freshman QB carousel and stay the hell off it, so getting another QB in is vital.

Once you’ve made that decision, go get the best guy you can. To my knowledge, Wallace looks the most accomplished of any of the offseason transfer options that were out there (Crist might have worked out, but I saw a lot of Gilbert robot-turnover machine in him at ND). Maybe it would be nice if he was a year or two separated from Ash as more of a pure stopgap, but it is what it is. A few questions exist:

1) Will we have an open and honest competition in the Spring/Fall between the two? I for one believe we can. While it’s possible to be cynical about last season’s QB competition being handicapped for Gilbert, I think it shook out in the way you’d expect an open competition to function - the guy with the most experience and physical tools won out, the guy who was horridly inaccurate transferred, the guy with the most varied skillset got a package of plays to take advantage of that and the natural ‘backup’ became the backup. I’ve seen a lot of evidence that Mack is making aggressive moves to win now and no evidence that he’s mucking about with what HarsinWhite are trying to accomplish, so I see no reason why we can’t promise Ash and Wallace each a fair shot at the job.

2) Can we convince Wallace that we’re his best opportunity? I’ve got no insight into his thought process, but my sales pitch would go like this. “Bo, we think you’ve got the talent to start for us and lead what could be a pretty special team. You know we have another guy on campus who we think highly of, but we wouldn’t reach out to you and offer you a scholarship if we didn’t think you had a good chance to win a competition. As you think about your future, realize this - if the NFL is a possibility for you, we can get you there. If you have that talent, you’ll win this job and start for us for a couple of years at least. Kellen Moore is on the NFL’s radar for running this offense with far less talent surrounding him than you’ll have. You’ll get all the chance you need here to prove yourself to the NFL. And if the NFL doesn’t work out for you - drafted or undrafted - there’s no competition whatsoever between the benefits of a Texas degree and T-Ring relative to anything you’ll get from Baylor, IU or Mississippi State. What do you say?”

3) Who wins? Based on one season’s viewing of Ash and extremely limited viewing of Wallace, if I had to guess right now I’d say Wallace becomes the nominal starter with Ash as the nominal backup running a rather expanded version of the ‘package’ that he was intended to run this year. The primary reasons for this thought are twofold. One - as we saw against Cal and a number of other times this season, if the run game is functioning there is SO MUCH CANDY available in terms of WIDE open guys that consistency/accuracy are paramount and Wallace appears more advanced on those standpoints. Two - our run scheme is accomplished and variegated enough that we (finally!) don’t need a run threat at QB to make our ground game effective - it certainly opens up nice-to-have options but is by no means a must-have.

It sounds like we can expect a decision reasonably soon - hope he goes with the good guys.

I would say nobis60 is 100% correct, but I don’t know what “variegated” means.

This is win on several levels. First you bring in someone with legit skills to compete with Ash. Second, given that he will only be a red shirt sophomore you could take a QB in 2013 who is raw that has more upside as opposed to the more technically proficient and college ready prospect. Anyone know who that could be?

The 2013 QB prospect will have a few seasons before he is asked to be ready to play. You know…like how it should be.

Pretty terrible camera angle, no idea what he’s looking at most of the time.

davey: points all. i was just trying to envision a beast case scenario.

capt dick shunnery to the rescue for coldshot:

hxttp://dictionary.reference.com/

I think you gotta watch Wallace’s tape and ask yourself, put this guy in the OU game next year. Are we getting more points than we’d get with Ash? I don’t think there’s an obvious yes to that answer. But I’m willing to reserve judgment. I definitely think he’s a great get if Case is leaving.

I’m not sure Wallace is so good that it’s worth taking a bunch of reps away from Ash in the off/pre-season.

The “all in on one guy” philosophy is the reason why this team is in the QB bind it’s in…works fine when you have a Vince or a Colt, not so much when you don’t know the hand you’ve been dealt.

Other schools maintain healthy QB depth charts, no reason for Texas not to.

^sorry meant to italicize that second para, now I appear to be contradicting myself; how embarrassing.

agree with tommy’s take.

“Other schools maintain healthy QB depth charts, no reason for Texas not to.”

100% correct.

Texas has been flirting with a QB disaster for years. There have been several seasons where one injury would have prompted a 5-7 loss season. We have just been lucky….until now.

does anybody miss Jesus Shutttlesworth and Typsie Gypsie..I could sure go for a Big Cigar or Assest Report right now..

This is great news. Hope he commits to Texas. Great to have two depth quality QB rotation next year. As it stands currently we only have one QB (Ash) that can function and execute at the Div 1 level. Case McCoy just does not have the physical abillity to execute the complete passing schemes. Cannot throw the deep ball. That is sorta important at the QB position.

This is a no brainer good scenario if Wallace will commit to Texas.

Granted he is not a Cam Newton or Russell Wilson, but he is a solid functioning QB that can execute the offensive game plan. Apparently can read defenses, make decisions and ability to throw a deep ball. That is what we need in a two deep QB rotation.

I think the bottom line question here is this:

Who do you prefer to have of the two, Bo Wallace or Case McCoy?

And since we probably don’t get this choice, since McCoy is likely transferring, THEN WHAT?

Will Bo’s dad need $200K to renovate his church?

im impressed by #11 some good moves and catches

“ReggieBOi37 said:

January 4th, 2012 at 11:15 am

does anybody miss Jesus Shutttlesworth and Typsie Gypsie..I could sure go for a Big Cigar or Assest Report right now."

Yes, but I can’t justify the $99 annual price tag for that info.

be patient, graysopper. the tips and jeese move is temporary.

team dirty leg, very good point. this isnt a debate btw Ash and Bo. We and any other decent team needs 2 good QBs going into a year.
Do you want Bo or Case and its very clear the answer is not Case. We dont know what Bo or Ash will do next year. They will both get a lot of reps in spring and summer and compte for the starting job. other guy will be back up. Brewer gets RS unless he is clearly the best guy out there.
Good aggressive move by staff! We needed to bring in someone and if staff feels that Bo is better than Karam or Katz, ok!
 Hoping for announcement for Case soon.

And yes i miss JS and TG!!!

thecontractor said:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:24 pm

And yes i miss JS and TG!!!

Me too. No homo!!!

There is plenty of time for him to select TEXAS, and sign a LOI, and enroll for the first day of Spring classes.

He would count against ‘last years’ scholi #s.

It looks like I will be happy to write my check to the LF and pay for my season tickets !!

Wow those receivers look like they can catch. They are not coming also right.

mikedavis said:
“Wow those receivers look like they can catch. They are not coming also right.”

No worries Mike, they’re not coming so your job is safe … unless C-4 or Thomas Jefferson Johnson or (please God, please make it happen) DG-B can possibly pass you on the depth chart.

The fact that both Kevin Wilson and Art Briles are after Bo is a good sign that Harsin was right to offer a scholarship to Bo.

Nobis60,

I agree completely with your post and really can not find any downside with this whether Case is a Horn or not.

Arriviste and Newy25,

Agree with your thoughts as well. TCU has Paschall, Brown, and Boykin with two other quarterbacks set to sign in February. Yes, most likely one with transfer, but that is CGP’s primary focus. It is to make sure he has the players need to compete and somehow they still get kids to sign. Same can be seen How many quarterbacks did and does USC have on the roster? LSU has how many and Kiel committed there?

Texas has one quarterback on campus and that is Ash. Case and Brad McCoy have thrown salt in the soil in Austin where it concerns his career as a Horn. That leaves Texas with two true freshmen as back-ups. That alone should he enough reason to make this move, but I do want to ask those who feel Bo signing with Texas with hurt Ash’s development have you not forgotten that at least three times in the last six seasons this program has been hurt by not having an experienced/competent back-up.

I agree with everything that everyone is saying here, except Ty. Ty, you’re on the list of posters to ignore. I know this breaks your heart.

I enjoyed the highlight video- his good is obviously very good. The problem with highlight videos, though, is you don’t get to see how bad the bad is for the player featured. Where’s the lowlight video? I need to see that before I’m totally sold.

With respect to Case, how desperate of a college coach do you have to be to look at his film and say “Here’s the guy I want throwing the rock”??? He only got the Texas offer due to his last name.

Given Shipley’s TD to Attempt ratio - you should give him a look at Qb as well……

Maybe Mike Davis can change his number to 5 and get some chemistry started early. Rodney Davis #5 for emcc had 49 catches for 1007 yds and 11 tds on the season…

Hey Ty…

I’m sure your wife wasn’t impressed with you your first couple of rounds in the sack…but you get better with time, don’t you?

Same applies for FRESHMEN QB’s.

This is not brain surgery.

Ain’t no harm in it. But it might help. So no hand-wringing. Let’s sign him.

One more point in Bo Wallace’s favor. If Art Briles is interested he probably also sees something in Bo. And Art managed to see something in Case and RGIII that he was able to develop. Maybe the pickin’s are slim in the juco QB ranks I don’t know. But if Harsin and Briles are interested, I’d say there is something there.

Ash + Bo > Ash + McCoy

Last weekend I watched seven different QBs start games in the NFL who played for Texas high schools, but whom we did not recruit to play QB on the 40 Acres.

I’m tired of watching the Brees, Stafford, Luck, Dalton, RG3, Ponder parade march right by our recruiting radar.

This JUCO QB development is the best thing I’ve heard about our recruiting changes I’ve heard in a long, long time.

if you go to inside texas, click on forums, and you’ll see FREE forums with Inside the Humidor as one of them

Will Bo’s dad need $200K to renovate his church?

I had the same question.

I also got an answer: I volunteer as Treasurer of the Longhorn One Thousand, and I’m chippin’ in the first two Franklins - how ’bout the rest of you cheap bastards?

1776:
Brees was before Mack was at Texas and I think we recruited one Major Applewhite instead. Mack recruited the hell out of Stafford, as far as I know, but he did not like Texas.
Definitely dropped the ball on Luck, Dalton, and RG3, though.

Nobis60 - Your recruiting sales pitch was so damned good that I almost signed! I can throw a football, maybe, 10 yards.

Change your pitch up a little and give it to DGB!

if you go to inside texas, click on forums, and you’ll see FREE forums with Inside the Humidor as one of them

Not quite… (last time I looked) the front page dropdown lists Free Forums, and Inside the Humidor is not one of them. Once you actually GO to the Free Forums, the dropdown there does indeed list Inside the Humidor.

Persistence, grasshopper: “You flat cain’t beat a fella who don’t quit.” - George Herman Ruth, or Jerome Hanna Dean - your choice.

Stafford and Luck never considered Texas. Stafford was a legacy to Georgia and Luck just wasn’t interested. You can blame Texas for many things but missing on these two is not one of them.

The “Bo knows…” jokes will write themselves if this goes down.

Rich,

This is the internet and we can blame Mack and GD for failing to recruit whomever we want as well as the spread of AIDS, collapse of the global economies, and the fact CBS has denied to give Rob Schneider a sitcom.

We might be wrong, but it is our right damn it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That and the fact we seem to forget facts that get mentioned every time this subject comes out or that the very same medium that allows us to post such things is also great to do a bit of research first.

Should be a Humidor article coming out tomorrow that will hopefully give us some insight into the Bo Wallace offer:
http://insidetexas.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=25

That should be decided to give Rob Schneider a sitcom. Unfortunately, ritualistic animal sacrifice was not enough to make them deny the horrific pairing of he and Cheech Marin.

Why do research when you can wait for the people who tell you you’re wrong to do it for you?

So you think it was a good idea to give Rob Schneider a sitcom?

Wallace HAS to be better than Case . . My question is “Is he as good as Greg McElroy?”

we can talk all around the issue, but the question on the last page is, would you rather have Case or Bo?

thats what this is all about. i never liked us recruiting Case to begin with. and for good reason. this is a win win sitch.

now, can we please get a fucking kicker that has the nominal talent to produce touchbacks… please?

And yes i miss JS and TG!!!

Been really busy and haven’t kept up with their whereabouts like I should….where are they? Why did they move? and why is this move ‘temporary’?!

Nevermind. Figured out that they moved to InsideTexas.com.

Still curious to know why it’s ‘temporary’.

I think there’s really no question whether it would be a good idea or have(at least) two QBs on the roster who are not freshmen. If you think otherwise, fuck off.

I also think there’s really no question that McCoy Minor should be one of those - he obsevedly should not - and again, if you disagree, fuck off.

The second (third, etc.) “upperclassman” QB is either a transfer, or we need to have open student-body tryouts, or both.

Wallace looks pretty good on tape, to me. If you disagree with this one, that’s okay, you can stay and add background clutter. Actually, Karam doesn’t sound all that bad, either. Not sure why he hasn’t played more for Tommy “No Bowl Game 4U” Tuberville, but, there it is. Might think he’d want to go back with the Pirate, but whatever. Ideally, if they’re both “pretty good”, I’d put a scholly on Bo and try to talk Karam into walking on, both for the spring - tell Jacob if he makes 3rd he gets the ride (or call the Longhorn Thousand for help).

Both? One or the other? Someone else? Hell, I’m game… whatta ya got?

Probability of signing Wallace - 85%
Probability on McCoy transferring - 85%

Vasherized said: January 4th, 2012 at 7:45 am
“Apparently Ty missed the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl.
Either way, this is a smart move. It lets you redshirt Brewer and Overstreet.”

Lol. Actually, I’d say the opposite. Ty saw it and said, “Well, Hell, I can do that…”

edsp - you are right on the timeline, however I stand by my statement that Kinne transfering had everything to do with his place on the depth chart and sitting behind McCoy for 3 years.

This ESPN article backs that up:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3385926

Could he have been worried about Gilbert, a highschool jr. at the time of his transfer? God, I’d hope not. Every QB at every school can expect QB’s to be recruited after them. In the specific case of Texas, the coaches had a recent track record of playing productive seniority (McCoy) over highly ranked youth (Snead). Ideally he’d have been the starter his RS Jr. season, possibly allowing Gilbert to redshirt, starting our succession of QB’s who start only after a couple of years in the program. Problem was he didn’t want to wait that long to be the starter and new there was no chance he was beating out McCoy.

Regardless of how smart Brewer is, this would have to impact his commitment to Texas. Let’s say Wallace comes in and wow’s everyone, now he’s the starter for the next 3 years. So all of these guys that Conner worked so hard to recruit aren’t even playing with him. Maybe I’m being skeptical but you’ve gotta wonder….

Can anyone tell me why we can offer Wallace a scholly FOR 3 YEARS, and not Karam for 2? It doesn’t seem like the staff has crunched the numbers very well on this. If Wallace pans out Brewer will be starting his redshirt junior year. If you brought Karam in he’d be off the books in 2 years and Brewer would be a redshirt sophomore competing with a then senior Ash.

Elite athletes have elite egos.
If Brewer is worrying about competing, he ain’t elite enough for the job.

Watched the file on Wallace
Not one snap under center nor any play action. Truly a spread offense highlight film.

Fellache Me, great question. Unless they’re just convinced that Wallace is a) better AND b) more likely to sign, I don’t get the math here.

@TexanNick, I’d be pissed if I was Karam. It’s like a big fuck you to him after being recruited by a pass happy Big 12 offense, and then our staff telling him he’s not good enough to receive a scholly, when Case McCoy has one. Hell he almost won the job at Tech. The problem is that Karam has been offered scholarship opportunities at other places. I can not speak on who is better, but the staff must think Wallace is light years ahead if they’re willing to piss on Karam like that. Thanks for the feedback TexanNick.

Jesus put up a post over at IT (free), that says Brewer was caught off guard by the Wallace stuff.

Fellache and Ricky: if he’s THAT good for 3 years, I guess I can live with it if it costs us Brewer. But it seems pretty questionable to let your incoming signee get blindsided like that, right?

TexanNick, I wouldn’t concede Brewer, since I don’t believe he is going anywhere. TGOD is a huge pull for all of these kids. I do get your point though about what you would be willing to give if Wallace was that good. I don’t think he was completely blindsided by the news. Probably that there was talks of looking at Juco’s and then all of a sudden hearing Wallace will be on campus in a couple days, and that maybe he’s already been offered.

“Regardless of how smart Brewer is, this would have to impact his commitment to Texas. Let’s say Wallace comes in and wow’s everyone, now he’s the starter for the next 3 years. So all of these guys that Conner worked so hard to recruit aren’t even playing with him. Maybe I’m being skeptical but you’ve gotta wonder…”

I was wondering about that also, but hopefully Harsin can manage this issue with Brewer. If Wallace is as good as we all hope/want and he takes Texas to a BCS bowl in 2012 and an MNC in 2013, I doubt he’d stay for a 3rd year (he’d be a 5th year RS senior). If, on the other hand, Wallace is just OK/good, then Brewer shouldn’t have a problem competing with him.

In any case, Ash has 3 years of eligibility left, so Brewer would still face the possibility of sitting for the next 3 years behind Ash (assuming Ash’s game continues to progress). In both cases (Ash and/or Wallace), Conner Brewer can redshirt and have 2015 and 2016 to be the guy, and possibly 2014 and 2013 also depending on what happens.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
“I’d be pissed if I was Karam.”

Karam was a backup at Tech last year, while Wallace lit it up. Wallace was the 2011 NJCAA Offensive Player of the Year and led Eastern Mississippi C.C. to a national championship, “setting an NJCAA single-season records for most passing yards (4,604), total yards offense (4,810) and most touchdowns thrown (53).” Karam seems like a great guy and a very good QB, but Wallace is much more of a proven commodity at this point, with his 2011 awards and trophies to back him up. If Brian prefers Wallace over Karam, that’s A-OK with me.

If Wallace is that good, he declares for the NFL after his junior year; if he is not that good, Brewer/Swoopes/etc. beats him out. Either way, a red shirt QB rotation is re established.

I enjoyed Jesus’ take on the Brewer situation but remember that we are in a “dead period” right now and our coaches cannot reach out to Brewer and his family until it passes. I believe there is a small window of contact coming up and be assured it will be used to reach out and review all this. I think it is pretty obvious Case is gone. And, with the coaches having tipped the Brewer’s off to this possibility they can’t be shocked but are likely wondering what has transpired with Case, etc. It’s a shame this had to break during a dead period.

Poofy, I get that Wallace was a stat machine at EMCC. My thought was more about separation with Brewer than anything, and to ONLY offer Karam a walk-on opportunity when he would require 2 years of scholarship room. I think any of these guys are a net positive over Case, so there goes your 2 years right there. TT, Oklahoma and Stanford offered him a scholly out of high school. That is good enough evaluation to me given our current need. I too realize Harsin is the expert here, and I will be happy with his decision either way.

Like most of you, I’ve spent a lot of time on here complaining about us mollycoddling recruits and making promises about who we’d recruit that might compete with them. Well, here we are bringing in a guy that we need immediately and we’re worried about how it will affect Conner. We badly need to do this for the immediate good of the program. If Conner doesn’t want to have to win the job, then maybe he isn’t the guy we think he is. I don’t see the problem because I think he is the guy we think he is and he’ll earn the job anyway. Getting Case McCoy out of our locker room ASAP is necessary to complete the purge of this program and has no downside, IMO. Getting a much better prospect to replace him with and giving Conner a legitimate opportunity to redshirt is just gravy.

Besides, Wallace hasn’t accepted the offer, if one has indeed been made.

presently in a contact period. http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/pdfs/recruiting+calendars/2011-12+dii+football+recruiting+calendar

However, the juco dead period begins on Sunday, so they got to get busy.

If Wallace comes in and is great, couldn’t he go pro after 1 season at Texas? I wouldn’t be too worried if I were Brewer.

I don’t know what all the fuss and flagellation is about. Bo coming in doesn’t affect Brewer’s timeline in any way since Ash has the same amount of eligibility left. And Brewer has already commented that he’s fine with redshirting. This move has no real downside I can see.

“betting someone (maybe his hs coach? maybe the arkie state people?) told him he is much better than to play at the arkansas st level and suggested he go beat up the jc ranks for a season to get his name out there. "

Yes, coaches like getting rid of their best assets to help out other football programs.

“MaxATX said:

January 4th, 2012 at 4:52 pm

If Wallace comes in and is great, couldn’t he go pro after 1 season at Texas? I wouldn’t be too worried if I were Brewer."

Think about that for a second….
If Bo ends up being good enough next year to go pro then who gives a fuck about what some recruit thinks, that would be a no-brainer move then.

Team Dirty Leg,
thanks for the link. I was going off what Burton said, and he said it was a dead period now.

good point on the dead period, texmex. that really hurts in a situation like this.

i’m betting harsin’s relationship with the brewers is sound enough to handle this. especially since they were forewarned of the possibility and probably know full well that we have to make a move to preserve connor’s red shirt.

however bo works out if he comes here, bryan uses multiple qbs anyway, so everybody who can play will get some run. nice scenario for tuning connor and his offense before tossing him the keys.

oops.

shoulda refreshed.

I don’t think the coaches should be in the business of running every recruiting decision by another recruit first. Sounds to me like they already prepared him for this possibility. He just didn’t know Bo Wallace was getting a look. That is how I took the comment.

Fellache,

I am truly confused about your point.

Wallace is being recruited by multiple college programs, two of which like to throw the football, and the kid has had some success.

Karam hasn’t seen consistent time since he left Friendswood ( I have said in the past I thought he was a damn good player when I saw him there.). and no one really knows how good he is or what he brings to the table.

The only reason I can gather your would offer Karam over Wallace is so that Brewer doesn’t have to sit for more than two years even though Brewer has never taken a snap against anything more than a high school defense and there is no guarantee how he projects.

It also should be noted that Harsin “hand picked” Brewer and I can not imagine the recruitment of Wallace opening up without Harsin being right in the middle of it. The one guy on the staff who has a better handle on what Connor is capable of and how he fits in the Texas offense is the guy who signs off on recruiting Wallace.

So why is this a bad issue and why should anyone really care if Karam is upset?

Here is the pertinent paragraph from JS’s IT piece:
“A couple of things on this guys. First, Blake Munroe is about 10 feet from Connor Brewer at any point in time this week so if he says Connor Brewer didn’t know about Bo Wallace then Brewer didn’t know about Wallace. (See the JUCO QB thread on the Members Only board.) So it stands to reason that Connor Brewer is probably a little surprised and concerned at this point.”

I don’t have access to the Members’ Only board so perhaps there is more about the ‘surprise’ and ‘concern’ that Brewer is feeling. From this paragraph the surprise and concern seem to come from JS’s range of possibilities rather than Conner himself. I am not saying this is much ado about nothing, but I hope that it is just a matter of a recruit not being told up front about a move and being ‘surprised’ when put on the spot by a reporter. Hopefully the ‘concerned’ part is purely a figment of JS’s take on the situation.

IF everybody else has a decent number of QB’s in their depth chart and are satisfied to be in competition with the others with some nominal separation, then the crux of the problem must be with the offeror and not the QB’s.

In essence, if Mack started making no competition part of the deal to entice these guys early, then the culture has been established in the past. We need to move away from that and let them know they will fight tooth and nail every day to keep their job.

And then welcome those that take the challenge.

Davey, sorry for the confusion, I think my point has been lost in frequent posts. Hell I’m not even sure what my point was. I think it was mainly about burying Brewer for so long behind Wallace, who was hand picked by Harsin, when neither Wallace or Karam has proven themselves against Big 12 competition. Karam and Wallace both did fairly well against HS comp I’m assuming to get D-1 schollies. Karam went on to Texas Tech, and Wallace ended up going to Ark St and then the Juco route. He tore it up at EMCC, but just because he had success there, doesn’t guarantee him success in the Big 12. We can also say GG tore it up at the highest level of competition in Texas HS football, but that didn’t guarantee him success in the big 12. How much tougher is Juco competition over the best Texas HS football has to offer?

Fellache Me - My take is, we’re not bringing in a guy to keep Brewer on the bench two or three years. We’re bringing in a guy to sit Brewer for one year. After that, may the best QB start. If I were Brewer I wouldn’t worry too much whether it’s one year or two in direct competition. If Brewer’s better he’ll get on the field.

And also - JUCO competition in Mississippi is serious. Watch some of the athletes Wallace is surrounded by. #11 in particular looks like a beast at WR.

After hearing Wallace’s name on these boards a few weeks ago I went spelunking in the web dumpsters of Ole Miss and Tennessee highschool football. And from what I gathered, the gripe against Wallace in high school was while he has plus size and feet, (a) he was a system QB, because his HS ran a complicated mutiple/spread offense against barnyard trash teams in Nowheres, TN (someone above said he was a 4A QB; not true, Giles County is 3A and in TN the classes go up to 6A) and (b) he had a long looping delivery on short drops that would kill him in college. But looking at his HS film I can’t quite see it. In these clips he looks like a star in the making:

hxttp://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/giles-county-bobcats-(pulaski,tn)/football/videos.htm (remove the x)

And while his delivery on short routes does look questionable in this film (3-step drop stuff around the 6:30 mark) his EMCC film shows a marked improvement. Not quite the laser-rocket stuff that Snide implied but passably quick delivery in the short game.

My main concern is that the kid has flowered in a spread offense. He ran multiple including I-formation in high school, so taking snaps under center won’t be virgin territory for him, but it’ll be a big change.

When Mack and Harsin decided they were going to look around for an experienced transfer QB, they visited Brewer at his home in Arizona to personally discuss it with him. After that meeting, Brewer tweeted that he was even more convinced (than before the meeting) that he had made the right choice by selecting Texas.

“Think about that for a second….
If Bo ends up being good enough next year to go pro then who gives a fuck about what some recruit thinks, that would be a no-brainer move then.”

Thats what Im saying! Brewer shouldnt be concerned about Wallace/playing time… he should Redshirt anyway. If Wallace is really good, he’ll go pro. If he’s not, then he’ll stay and (assuming Brewer is good enough) Brewer will take the spot when he is ready.

TDL,

The calendar you linked is the wrong one; it’s for div II football. The calendar for Div I football is at the URL below.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/recruiting_calendars/2011/I/Football%20Color.pdf

According to this schedule the >2 week dead just ended today. Our coaches had no way of talking to Brewer beforehand about any changes regarding Case or a need to look for a JUCO to replace him until today.

If JS talked to Brewer last night or early today the coaches simply may not have had the chance to talk to him about it between the dead period and his UA practice schedule. I would bet the coaches have already talked to him at some point today by now. I suspect the details may have been a surprise to Brewer, but he knows the QB situation has been in such flux and that there has been talk of transfers to where I don’t believe he had no inkling that someting like this was a possiblity.

Given Wallace’s packed schedule the next few days and urgency in making a decision to transfer for the Spring the coaches probably didn’t feel like they could wait until they’d talked with Brewer before contacting Wallace.

Incidentally, the dead period doesn’t apply to a Spring transfer like Wallace which is why we’ve been able to talke to him the last few days.

I saw where JS or Tipsy said they planned on posting at both places. I thought that was strange at the time, and I guess it didn’t work out that way.

Having watched Mack for 14 years, if there’s one thing I’m sure of, it’s that he will find a way to fuck up the QB “competition.” It may be what he does best.

I saw where JS or Tipsy said they planned on posting at both places. I thought that was strange at the time, and I guess it didn’t work out that way.

So it appears. I must’ve misread or misunderstood something, because I thought the deal was Jesus and Tipsy Gypsy were going, then that Typsy Gypsy was Eric Nahlin, and the last thing I saw over there had Jesus’ byline, seemed to be entirely first-person and offered a phone transcription between the recruit’s coach and “E.N.”

Prolly I’m misreading something or hopelessly naive, but it looks like those three names are all one person. Duh.

If I thought Wallace coming and Brewer de-committing would get us DGB, then I would say bye, bye Brewer!

Thrilled with the move on Wallace. As for Case, we need to quit handing out schollies (and for that matter, astronomical salary raises to our HC) based on some emotional basis from the past. Schollies and raises should be based on what can you do for us now and in the next coupla years. Performance baby.

Everyone should read Nunna’s post, and then read it again. Brewer will be fine.

Let me get this straight. I kid who verbally committed to Texas months ago, who was recruited for years by our current OC and who has spent the past several months recruiting for Texas will suddenly decommit because Texas signs another QB? Brewer verbally committed knowing that Texas had 4 QBs on campus, including the returning starter and two players who would be sophomores when he arrived. Unless he is blind, he could see that not having a decent QB cost Texas at least 2 or 3 games this year and that absent a good QB Texas would remain mired in mediocrity.

If, as he has stated, he is intent on building a powerhouse at UT, he knows that we need QB help right now and he should have no beef with that. As others have stated, if he has hurt feelings because the staff is taking action to rebuild the program in a manner which requires him to compete for the starting slot, then he is simply another “me first” kid who Texas can do without. The interest of the program outweighs the desires of any single player.

Candidly, I don’t think Brewer will be upset if Texas signs Wallace, which I feel is long shot in any event. Bo looks like he has Mississippi State written all over him.

I know this has already been said, but my god, its absolutely stunning how much we care about a football team that is subject to the whims and wishes of 18-21 year olds. The quarterback drama has been draining all year. Wish we could just fast-forward 240 days.

Larry,

You nailed it in your first paragraph.

When Connor Brewer committed the Texas depth chart at quarterback was a returning junior starter in Gilbert, a sophomore in Case McCoy, a red-shirt freshman in Wood, and a true freshman in Ash.

Brewer has made mentioned he would like to red-shirt and if nothing had changed from the summer he still would have had to fight for the position with three other quarterbacks who had been on campus for at least one more year than him.

Now if Bo and Connor both sign with Texas he must compete with three other quarterbacks, one who has been on campus longer than him and two new to campus.

So what about the second situation makes in less appealing than the first one?

Wallace will come.
McCoy will leave.
Brewer will be come.
Peace will reign.

Not sure if anyone else noticed on the highlight tape but Walace doesn’t exactly throw a tight spiral. That concerns me a little unless you play every game in a dome. He does seem to carry himself well on the field though. Prob still worth a shot to bring in and show McCoy the door.

We need to get Wallace. The best of Wallace/Ash starts next season. We need to RS Brewer and Overstreet as well unless Overstreet can take over the WildHorn right away.

We absolutely need this kid.

I have read bits of Case McCoy
1. Refused to Play during the OU game
2. Tweeted about transferring during bowl game preparations
3. He just does not have the deep throw and that is important at QB.
If True:
Get him out of the system.
He seems to be pouting like a little kid not getting his way. Fact is Ash is the better QB and not only better but much better. Ash will be slinging the ball next year and executing a well rounded offense.

Wallace gives us competition next year at the QB position and another gun slinger. One injury and he becomes the starter for some games. He is also a viable back up and posssible starter if neeeded.

If we get DGB, he can expect the ball 10 plays a game from Ash, Wallace and Brewer. Also with Thomas Johnson in the slot expect DGB to be in some man to man coverage versus a consistent double team. Throw in Caleb Jones and it man to man coverage that equals lots of big game throws anc catches. Future looks bright and it looks like 2012-2013.

Why worry about the system 2-3 years as far as Brewer. So much can happen in that time. This will be scenario for any powerhouse school. We will recruit a great QB for 2013 that will hopefully redshirt behind Brewer.
What can happen
1. Injury
2. Academics
3. Draft
4. Personal crisis/changes
5. transferrs
6. etc

Have to have a 2 deep solid QB rotation every year.

According to Texas 247 Wallace already has a Texas offer. Interesting days ahead!

Bottom line is we have no depth and very limited quality in the QB position as it stands now, I think it will be value-added to have this JUCO player. It helps in two ways first it gives you a extra body on depth and second the game experience level is also elevated. Now will that translate to better quality is the only unknown in the situation, but to give the freshmen time to practice and develop i.e. redshirt year; the upside should not be overlooked.

It would be nice to see Bo Wallace be able to step in and do what Josh Heupel, Aaron Rodgers and Cam Newton were able to do…

Burton talked with Wallace and Wallace said he did not have an offer yet. Wallace’s coach was under the impression he did and told the 247 guys that yesterday. Apparent confusion between the coach and Bo.

texmex, thanks for clarifying.

Word now is, Bo will sign with MSU….His teamate Autry has already commited….Still, anything can happen with recruiting but, Bo in my opinon will be a future NFL prospect because of his maturity and passing ability….This guy learns so quick….

You said You said very wisely.

Larry Robinson is dead on correct!

Word now is, Bo will sign with MSU

Word from who? How about a link or at least some details of where you’re getting this? If this source is 2 or 3 days old, that was before he got a call from Harsin, so it may be very different now.

If Wallace is a lock to Missstate, why is he bothering to visit Baylor and others in Texas? If he’s really just out fucking around on OPM, we might be better off not getting him. If he’s still looking, I have to believe we have as good a shot as anyone. Someone remind me… how many Missstate QBs are on NFL rosters?

It’s all good.

Enjoy the show, that’s what it’s for.

I like the kid, weird ball at times in the videos, kind of floats it/pushes it but I also call that a gamer/improviser. Not a great spinner, but I dont think you have to be and he can run (plods) but seems like a tough guy and should get bigger/stronger but might have a slim build that keeps him lanky. I like the instant depth/experience, I think he could do well with big time talent around him. Hope he fits and makes the most of UT’s education.

Oh hell…

RT @edithdp4: EMCC qb Bo Wallace tells Bulldawgs247 his official visit to MSU was even more than he expected.

RT @bradlocke: EMCC coach Buddy Stephens on Bo Wallace: “I told him if he liked Mississippi State … don’t go anywhere else.” Meeting w/Mullen today.

if he likes MSU then he loves Texas… They are Cisco Junior College compared to us… no knock to Cisco JC…

Does anyone know if Bo Wallace actually showed up at Baylor today for his visit? I’d feel a lot better about our chances of getting him if I felt certain that Mullen didn’t convince him yesterday to cancel his remaining visits and go with MSU.

Wallace does look good on tape. However if he had been operating behind our OL , I do not believe that he would have looked much better than Ash after a while. The OL performed poorly last year and ruined one QB prospect. The OL performed at a better level this year for run blocking, but still sucks on pass blocking. I believe that we have the right coaches to fix this issue, and we should start seeing reasonable improvement next year.

There is no link nunna…This came from friends and teamates of his…Stated that he wants to showcase his talent in the #1 conference in college football….Anything can happen with recruits so we’ll just keep our fingers crossed and wait till Monday….

From what I understand he IS still taking his visit to UT….Will make his decision between now and Wed….

From what I understand he IS still taking his visit to UT….Will make his decision between now and Wed….

Good news if so. Did you read this somewhere or are you hearing it from a source?

Yeah it was a quote from his coach and himself on one of the Dawg boards…Its down to us and UT was last reported….someone mentioned baylor and indiana but i think they are out,,,,states he will make his decision by wednesday…..guess we’ll wait till then…

RT @MBHORNSFAN: per @ChipBrownOB Bo Wallace,the QB from East Mississippi Community College, will not be coming to Texas this weekend for an official visit.

http://twitter.com/cps36/status/155528265572941824

How in the fuck can a recruit choose that shithole that is Starkville over UT and Austin?

How in the fuck can a recruit choose that shithole that is Starkville over UT and Austin?

I’m sure he’s never been to Austin and like so many non-Texans probably has some idiotic notion of dirt streets being roamed by cows and tumbleweeds. If Mack had done this 2 or 3 weeks ago when all of us already knew we needed help, Wallace (or one of the other transfers) would have been ours. We’ve lost Thomas Johnson, maybe Mike Davis, and this will cost DGB now. I’m so f****ing sick of Mack.

now we have David Ash with no viable backup and have to blow Brewers redshirt right away because we were lazy in recruiting? When have we ever been lazy in recruiting… I think our recruiting class is starting to fracture a bit…

So, no Bo?

If Mack had done this 2 or 3 weeks ago when all of us already knew we needed help, Wallace (or one of the other transfers) would have been ours.

Mack did do this 2 or 3 weeks ago. He said we aren’t looking at any juco or other transfers at QB. Mack is the master recruiter, and you must Trust in Mack.

Is that fair?

Mack is the master recruiter, and you must Trust in Mack.

Is that fair?

I don’t know if it’s fair or not, but the way this last month of recruiting seems to be shaping up it certainly appears naive.

I do NOT “trust in Mack”.

The brain trust needs a lead brain methinks!

Our strategic direction is fuzzy and often self-contradictory, as with the “no JUCOs/yes JUCOs” about face.

It was very obvious we had a bad mix of QBs and a very poor combination of upper and lower classmen at the key position.

And now the Wallace whiff. I anxiously await the post-Mack era…sigh…

Enjoyed reading your board and thanks for having me….Not sure why Bo would cancel his visit to Texas and keep the visit with Baylor….Im still hearing MSU from friends of his but, will wait until he actually commits himself…Congrats on your recruiting class, you guys should really be competing for a MNC every year with your recruits…Not sure about your coach, but yall definitely have the talent…I live in Starkville Ms and believe me it’s no “shithole” as the the uneducated cowcracker stated above….Goodluck to guys…

Texas cancelled his visit allegedly. Epic fail by the staff.

its between, MSU, Ole Miss and Baylor with Ole Miss in the lead now.

Bo reached out to us, we never offered a scholarship or even an official visit. We were only doing that if Case transferred and Case told coaches he wasn’t going anywhere so the Wallace plan fell through, Why? Because Mack once again promised the Brewer family that they wouldn’t take another QB unless someone transferred.

Keep making these damn promises to these boys parents and keep putting us further in a hole at QB. This makes me enraged that we could let a talent like this go because of some asinine promise to kids parents because they are afraid of competition…

If McCoy Minor bulks up and receives an arm transplant, we might be okay, if Ash learns to throw deep, if there are any receivers who can and will go after balls. Lotta ifs, there. No one said Wallace was a definite improvement, but he has looked pretty good most of the time this season, and it doesn’t look like we have a hell of a lot of alternatives to try.

It’s not so much not getting Wallace that pisses me off about this, it’s the samo-samo fucked up promising a recruit to not give him any competition to worry about… plus, it’s the whole thing of no, we don’t - yes, we do - uh, no, no we don’t. Makes me want to backhand somebody into next week.
 
Is Mack on drugs, and just occasionally forgetting to take the pink one, or what?

Speaking of promising recruits ‘no competition ’… who would / should / could we have on the squad if we’d taken another RB along with Whaley? with Shead?

Unfortunately, our good inside sources have left for greener pastures. If this does boil down to a promise to the Brewers, it’s a bad sign. We all were happy that the “entitlement” issues seemed to have ended. If that proves to be false, we know where we are (are not?) headed over the next few years.

we know where we are (are not?) headed over the next few years.

Both WVU and TCU look fully capable of kicking our ass up one side and down the other. Still, it’s not all doom and gloom - if Ash does blossom, we’ll be better next season, little doubt of it. Heck, we prolly hit 9 -3 this season without the horrendous injuries down the stretch… 17-5 and 17-13 are both winnable with any kind of offense at all, and the D should be as good if not better. Wallace might’ve been just what we needed, but we’ll never know, unless something really remarkable happens.

This makes me continue to be uncomfortable with Mack. I just can’t believe that Harsin would have jerked off this deal so badly without being undercut by Mack - that, or Harsin isn’t who we thought he was.

“Jefe said: January 8th, 2012 at 12:55 am

Texas cancelled his visit allegedly. Epic fail by the staff"

Jefe, where did you pick up this info? Did the source state why the visit was cancelled?

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