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Cincinnati Bearcats 65, Texas Longhorns 59: Post-Mortem

A frustrating season comes to a fitting end for the Texas Longhorns.

The Longhorns, through a stupefying combination of incompetence and bad luck, scored 2 points in the first 12 1/2 minutes. They went into halftime down 31-17. They let the Bearcats extend the lead to 19. And they stormed back to tie the game at 52 with 3 minutes left to go before letting yet another close game slip through their fingers.

Stop me if you've heard this before.

Star-divide

Ultimately, the slow start created too high a mountain to scale all the way up. The Cincinnati Bearcats weren't particularly good, but they were more experienced. And while young talent allowed the Longhorns to claw their way back, inexperience ultimately doomed them.

  • First, a hand for fifth-year senior Clint Chapman. He, like the team, overcame a slow start to put up one of the best games of his career against the formidable Yancy Gates. Chapman put up 10 points, 14 rebounds, and 4 blocks. It was his second double-double of the season, and the first game since January 4 in which he notched double-digit rebounds. Ultimately though, Chapman was unable to stop Gates' final two buckets, a nice power post move and a perimeter jumper, that pushed the game out of reach.
  • J'Covan Brown once again led the Longhorns, scoring a team-high 19 points to go along with 6 assists and 5 rebounds. Unfortunately, he shot only 6-15 and had 5 turnovers, including a very costly one with the score knotted at 52.
  • Needing an offensive spark, the Longhorns turned to Sheldon McClellan. The freshman drained two 3's in the 19-point comeback, but also missed two gimme fast breaks and hoisted a head-scratching 3 in one of Texas' last-minute futile possessions. McClellan and fellow freshman Julien Lewis combined to chip in 24 points, which, in the theme of the season, was good but not good enough.
  • Both Jaylen Bond and Jonathan Holmes had rough nights against Cincinnati's four-guard lineup. The two were active on the offensive glass (the box score lists 2 offensive rebounds each, but likely doesn't account for a few missed tips). However, they continually missed bunnies and were constantly out of position on the defensive end.
  • Ultimately, though, the biggest reason for the loss (and for the season-long frustration) was another uneven performance by Texas' point guard, Myck Kabongo. Kabongo finished with just 2 points and 2 assists, against 0-6 shooting and 2 turnovers. In a game where Texas needed its precocious young freshman to shine, he laid an egg instead. Cincinnati's junior point guard, Cashmere Wright, wasn't world-beating, but put up a very solid stat-line of 11 points, 6 rebounds, and 5 assists. Oh, and only one turnover.

There's plenty of off-season to dissect the past season and the future of the program. But for now, the outlook for next season rests in the decisions of three people: Brown, Kabongo, and Cameron Ridley. Both Brown and Kabongo have a decision to make about their future.

Brown has one more year of eligibility left, but he's a fourth-year junior who has just about maxed out his draft stock. He has an outside shot of getting selected in the second-round, but he could go overseas and start earning a paycheck. On the other hand, he has a chance to come back and earn his degree while leading a Longhorns team full of potential.

Kabongo isn't NBA-ready. That's been painfully evident to anyone following Texas basketball this year. However, the NBA Draft is not about readiness, but about potential. With a weak crop of point guards, Kabongo is a borderline first-round draft pick who sees his Canadian friends Tristan Thompson and Cory Joseph pulling down NBA paychecks. While he has a chance to play himself up to lottery status, the allure of getting drafted may be too entrancing.

Finally, Ridley is Texas' centerpiece in the 2012 recruiting class. He is not only the lone five-star prospect, and also the lone commitment that remains unsigned. With Chapman and Alexis Wangmene graduating, and Bond and Holmes clearly more 4's than a true 5, landing the 6'10" Ridley is imperative for immediate success next year.

In my eyes, the Longhorns played about as well as could possibly be expected this season, and they are to be commended for making a 14th straight NCAA Tournament. But Scipio says it bluntly, and best: "[Barnes] has created the success he’s now a victim of, but themz the breaks. Keep meeting a raised bar or we seek out someone who can."

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I think Barnes did a pretty good job this season playing with the freshman and getting to 20 wins and the tourney. My only complaint about this season was his quick trigger on pulling Kabongo with 2 fouls in the 1st half. In the games Kabongo was playing well, I thought us losing him in the 1st half for 10minute stretches really hurt us and we went down double digits to good teams. Maybe playing him could have been better for him and we might have gotten an extra win or 2 to get our confidence up.

My real issues with Barnes were the last 2 years when we actually had talent to go to the Final Four. I was just surprised he could not keep the team chemistry together and do a better job of handling whatever problems that rose during the season.

I am hoping we get JCB and Kabongo back but it will most likely only be one of those 2. So, with JCB next year we have the talent to be a 26 win team. W/o JCB we are most likely a 22 win team. But one thing I say is as long as we keep making the tourney then we have a chance to make a run to the Final Four and Championship. So I am ok with Barnes since he has the team making the tourney and then its a crapshoot. Aside from Bill Self’s one championship, he has a bunch of 1st and 2nd round stinkers to far less talented teams. And I think his one team that won the title had to survive a buzzer beater shot from Stephon Curry’s Davidson team. Sadly Curry passed the ball to his teammate to take the shot.

by memphizbell on Mar 16, 2026 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Disappointed

They achieved about what we all expected but the way they did it was tough to watch.

I still contend Corey Joseph was better than Myck Kabongo. Yes, they play somewhat different positions, but I would rather have had a freshmen-Joseph Brown duo this year. Kabongo did really nothing today. Kabongo set the tone early getting to the hole and missing 2 layups on the first two possessions. He makes one of those and the team probably responds.

Chapman played well. Lewis had his best game in a while. McClellan continues to do good things inconsistently. Missed dunks? Okay. Bond and Holmes really haven’t done much this year but they are 6’7" guys playing center, so that was expected. I would like to see them play 3/4.

J’Covan didn’t shoot a great percentage and had too many turnovers but he is being asked to do too much and at least early on all the defensive attention was focused on him. He shot 40% while having to shoot tough shot, create for himself and others, so I consider that a great game actually. He hits 1-2 more shots and its actually an excellent performance. The 5 turnovers weren’t good but again, he is creating for the team while also having a PG on the floor with him. The first TO was horrible being double teamed and making a lame pass that went for a breakaway. The other 4 were basically him trying to make tough passes to Chapman and McClellan. The last one to McClellan when the game was tied was tough, but he saw the play and Sheldon didn’t. Maybe J’Covan should have been more careful but if Sheldon sees that play like J’Covan he gets a short jumper or a layup. That’s why it is hard for me to blame him too much. Again 1-2 more shots made and a little more care with his passes and J’Covan has an excellent game. He merely had a good/very good game.

I would almost rather have a Javan Felix and J’Covan Brown tandem next year. Hopefully, Felix can shoulder ball handling, distribution, and some play making. Then Brown can create shots too and help with ball handling. I just don’t like Kabongo.

by Monahorns on Mar 16, 2026 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Based on recent history and the tenor of their post-game comments

I fully expect to lose J’Covan and Kabongo. It seems almost foolhardy to expect a different outcome, sadly. No clue how to feel about the Ridley situation.

Next year could end up being pretty similar to this one. It’s hard not to start looking at your watch after awhile.

Drink. Laugh. Drink some more.

by NotDarrellWyatt on Mar 16, 2026 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

J'Covan said "at the end of the day, I have a family to take care of"

Myck refused to answer any questions about the NBA. This according to Mike Finger’s twitter.

Drink. Laugh. Drink some more.

by NotDarrellWyatt on Mar 16, 2026 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great review.

I expected the loss and I predicted it to go down the way it did, but I’m still disappointed. Particularly watching the Bonnies and Seminoles right now. Pretty impressive to make it into the NCAAs with this bunch, but stealing a Sweet 16 would have been good for morale.

- Tips near the basket make sense when you’re surrounded by trees or you’re out of position. When you’re surrounded by smalls and you’re in dominant position, grab the ball, and go back up strong. You will get fouled or you will convert.

- Sheldon has a ton of potential and hit some big shots, but he killed us on both ends over the last 1:30.

- Big props to Julien Lewis and Clint Chapman, who met the challenge of the game from the opening tip.

- Kabongo was AWOL. He had some stretches of inspired defense, but his offensive game was catastrophic. For large stretches, we were better with him off the court or standing and watching JCB.

- JCB’s teammates don’t see the game as he does. Mostly, that’s on them.

by Scipio Tex on Mar 16, 2026 3:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Could not agree more

about pulling the ball down and going back up . . . Our percentage on tips was awful . . .but unless your an inch or two away, I’m not a fan of tips anyway.

by Cirque Du Salado on Mar 16, 2026 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more, especially with this:
- JCB’s teammates don’t see the game as he does. Mostly, that’s on them.

My brother and I were talking about this as the second half played out. Brown is just a natural basketball player. He’s not fast, strong, or long, but he just knows where he and the ball should be. I can’t remember who he was passing to, but rifled the ball into empty space that should have been occupied by a wing cutting towards a completely undefended backdoor.

Of course, the cut wasn’t made and it looked like Brown just threw the ball away, but those of us paying attention know better. I’ll miss the guy if he leaves.

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by pleaseplaykindle on Mar 16, 2026 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great write ups all year- thanks

I seldom disagree with Scipio, and when I do I assume he is right and I am wrong, but I think both you (JC) and he are gving Myck a crutch or making allowances for him that he doesn’t deserve.

Maybe I was wrong when I said if he goes pro after this year I will feel like it was a waste of a scholarship, but the dude is not good (at this point in his career).

Blah, Blah, Freshman, Blah Blah.

I’d rather have a freshman TJ, DJ, Gibson or Josepth. There’s just something about Myck I don’t like. Maybe it’s my perception that he’s a mercenary and a 1 and done, out for himself, I’m just here going through the motions because I have to be somewhere for a year before I’m NBA eligible.

And the story that was supposed to be heart warming that hoggy rowe told at the big 12 tourney about his meeting with Barnes and the whole- have to have 2 feet in while I’m here thing made me think this even more.

Like I said, maybe I"m wrong and it wouldn’t be the first time, but I think he’s gone, and he will then replace Avery Bradley as the horn I have the absolute least desire to mak it big in the NBA- I just won’t care at all about his career.

Anyway, hope I’m wrong,he comes back and makes the big leap forward we saw from DJ and TJ, but those guys started at a higher level than Myck in my opinion.

The ONLY benefit in him having been here, if he does go pro, is being able to tell talented kids you can come to Texas and make the league. I guess that has some value (having players drafted every year like an assembly line

by Wulaw Horn on Mar 16, 2026 3:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I agree completely

That is what I dislike the most about this program. I haven’t thought for once that Myck would be here for more than a year.

I will save thoughts on Barnes for other posts, but players like Myck and Bradley make me lose interest in Texas basketball. And I bleed orange with the best of em.

by jenx on Mar 17, 2026 9:47 AM CDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

This team, even w/out J'Covan and Myck is full of potential

Unfortunately I don’t think we’ve got the guy in place to maximize it. Which is upsetting on multiply levels, but in particular it’s upsetting because I really, really like Rick Barnes as a person. But just watching the Texas sideline this year it’s clear that the players aren’t having fun and frankly it doesn’t appear that any of the coaches are either. There seems to be little conviction in the team’s belief that what they’re doing is going to be successful. I can’t help but think maybe some changes would do all parties a world of good.

by flamingmonkeyass on Mar 16, 2026 4:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree 100%.

FUN is absolutely essential to winning. If you’re not having fun, enjoying being out there on the court, you are much less likely to perform well. I rarely see Barnes giving positive reinforcement; he seems to criticize everything his players do.

by Harry Garcia on Mar 16, 2026 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fun?

I can’t think of a single coach producing ranked teams in high D-I that puts “fun” — whatever that means to you — ahead of drilling players and demanding hard work.

by BobInHouston on Mar 17, 2026 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

More of the same

To me, the most frustrating thing about this year’s team was that, despite all the youth, it wasn’t all that different from Barnes’s other Texas teams - no offensive scheme (i.e., one guy dribbling the ball in place, one other guy running around like a chicken w/ its head cut off, while the other 3 guys just stand around); poor end-of-game coaching; looooooonnnngggg periods w/o a single bucket, resulting in either blown leads or huge holes that the team has to dig itself out of; etc.

Obviously, Texas doesn’t have the tradition that some other programs have, but going to 14-straight NCAA tourneys (yes, Barnes does get credit for that) has to make up for that deficiency, especially w/ kids since all they care about is recent history, so Barnes has had ample opportunity to take this program to the next level.

Plus, Barnes is paid like an elite coach. Is it to much to expect that the program reflect that?

I wonder if Bellmont has set this bar that making it to the NCAA tourney is good enough, like having 10-win seasons in football is good enough, but more isn’t demanded.

Unlike football, where the HC is so dependent on the assistants, basketball is very HC-centric. Thus, I don’t see how Barnes will be able to make the needed changes in the program the way that Mack has.

by Joetx on Mar 16, 2026 4:10 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

The difference between this season and last

Last year Barnes choked the life out of that team, and capped it with a control-freak inbounds design that cost them the Arizona game. When Barnes looks in the mirror, he sees who blew the last six weeks.

This year, he pretty much get everything out of what he had. I mean, what would you do on offense when the inside option is to throw it to Chapman or Wangmene, or two undersized freshmen? You’d give the ball to a guard who could, well, dribble around and create for himself.

Who knows if Barnes got blindsided by Thompson leaving? It doesn’t really matter. But if he’d had him this year, it’s a top-15 team, maybe better. If he’d had, say, Ricardo Ratliffe, that would have been enough.

Barnes is an elite coach, unless your definition of elite requires a national championship.

by BobInHouston on Mar 16, 2026 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's true

I think you need to take more than one team (led by one of the greatest college Points of all time) to a Final Four to be considered Elite.

I’d also throw in that an elite coach should be able to best an opposing coach tactically, at least occasionally. When was the last time you remember Barnes getting over on someone schematically? (Note: games against coaches named Drew don’t count).

I

by flamingmonkeyass on Mar 16, 2026 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well he is certainly paid an elite salary

But there was nothing elite about what I saw on that court today, especially in the first half. And I don’t think four consecutive seasons of failing to advance past the opening weekend is particularly elite, either.

I’ll concede that he’s been a good coach, and slices of his tenure have been great. But that was a long while ago.

Drink. Laugh. Drink some more.

by NotDarrellWyatt on Mar 16, 2026 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he weren't pretty good...

…this team would have missed the tournament by a mile.

They could have lost to UCLA, or Temple, or any one of a half-dozen B12 games that would have kept them out.

They could have quit and lost about ten games when they fell behind, including this one, which was the worst of all of them, and they didn’t.

He did a lot right this year — it’s just hard to see.

by BobInHouston on Mar 16, 2026 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You didn't state he was pretty

good. You thought he was “elite.”

I agree with flaming. One Final Four doesn’t make you an elite coach—not with the resources available and the Big XII brand—he’s still the only coach in Texas history who’s gotten the full benefit of being in a major basketball conference.

He’s a good, solid coach. Texas can probably do better.

by DoubleB on Mar 16, 2026 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Probably"?

Never miss the tournament, average about 25 wins a year? That’s just where you start.

Barnes had 10 years at high D-I before coming to Texas. I don’t think that pool is very deep.

by BobInHouston on Mar 16, 2026 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love how making the tournament is somehow the reflection of quality. “Hey, we’re one of the top 68 teams in the country.” It’s an arbitrary line, kind of like being ranked in the top 25 in football. It means nothing.

So this is the best Texas hoops can do? The ceiling is Thad Matta at Ohio State (4 of last 6 years as a top 2 seed—more than Barnes has had at Texas)—who’s previous stop was Xavier which isn’t exactly high-major hoops. Absolutely no reason Texas can’t do that. Is finding that guy easy? Probably not. But the ceiling is higher than Barnes has reached.

by DoubleB on Mar 16, 2026 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Set your own metric

People are bitching because they just “made the tournament.” Well, with this particular team, that was the goal, and they achieved it.

People are bitching because Barnes has fallen short in the tournament. Well, Thad Matta has all those 1s and 2s and he’s made a n-c game and hasn’t gotten past the S16 the other times, which is basically the minimum expectation with a one or a two. We’ll see how he does this year.

But as we suspect, Matta probably doesn’t come to Texas. So you have to keep looking.

by BobInHouston on Mar 16, 2026 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Matta has put his team in a position to win a championship more often than Barnes in half the time, but he missed the tournament in 2008 so I guess Barnes is better.

I guess you’d rather have Texas last basketball decade than Florida’s as well. Screw the national titles. It’s all about making the tournament.

by DoubleB on Mar 17, 2026 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

But Barnes got to the FF in his fifth season

That’s “half the time.”

It is about getting players and cashing in when you get the chance. He got the players, but legitimately fumbled two chances. That’s an issue.

But the thing is, last year’s team wasn’t expected to come together like it did. So people are getting a bonus unexpectedly, then raising expectations and crushing the coach. I was as ticked off as anyone that Barnes’s timeout and harebrained inbounds play made a major contribution to them losing last year. But if the team wins three or four fewer games (not winning at KU or A&M, not running off the long B12 win streak), as it was expected to, and went out in the second game, nobody would have had a broken heart.

He’s still getting players. If that stops, then you look harder at what he’s accomplishing.

As to the rest of your post, no, missing once is not a big deal, just like Jim Boeheim missing or Jim Calhoun missing or Billy Donovan missing. I’m certainly not discounting the NCAA streak over winning the NC. But Barnes doesn’t do that either.

What Barnes did do this year (and last year, to some extent) was remake on the fly better than those guys do. That’s why I think this year confirmed that he is an elite coach. You don’t get championships for that, though.

Look, Barnes and Donovan are nearly twins in their recruiting philosophy. Barnes and Izzo have comparable records (but not when it comes to cashing in), and Barnes’s career path, in terms of peaks and valleys, resembles Boeheim’s.

He looks like a lifer to me, and I’m OK with that as long as recruits recognize that he and Texas have a lot to offer.

Would I look to replace Barnes if I knew for certain that he’d never win the NC? I thought this through last year in the depths of my post-Thompson declaration funk, and the answer is, probably yes. But we don’t know that for sure and until the recruiting reflects that, I see no reason to change. Good coaches surely would take a more critical look if UT fired the best coach it ever had because of the random nature of the NCAA tournament, which was proved over and over last night.

As to who I think they should look at down the road, depending on timing, Buzz Williams is at the top of my list.

by BobInHouston on Mar 17, 2026 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

“What Barnes did do this year (and last year, to some extent) was remake on the fly better than those guys do. That’s why I think this year confirmed that he is an elite coach. You don’t get championships for that, though.”

This is a fair point. I’m not sure it makes him elite, but he’s never had a team collapse on itself (and this year could have been that team) like Pitt or UCLA this year or those coaches above. But as you stated, it doesn’t get you a championship.

He’s clearly a top 10 recruiter, but right now the program isn’t top 10. If he’s going to continue to get elite recruits, he needs to get more out of them if they’re only going to be here one year. Having one-and-done recruiting requires him to be an elite coach and teacher and I don’t think that’s his best skillset.

Winning the tournament certainly requires luck which is why it’s a matter of getting as many opportunities as possible. It also requires beating good teams. In his 14 seasons at Texas, Barnes has beaten a seed better than his once (MSU in 2002) and a top 4 seed twice (MSU and Stanford in 2008—both 3’s). It’s one thing losing to that Memphis team in 2008 (they were just better). It’s quite another blowing a Final Four trip in 2006 to that LSU team—elite coaches don’t lose that game. He’s never shown himself to be a great tournament coach and to win a national title requires winning the tournament.

by DoubleB on Mar 17, 2026 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you're making some excellent points

But your constant use of “elite” detracts from it. When you throw out the “elite coaches don’t do that” or “elite coaches don’t lose that game” tropes, I wonder how much basketball you’re watching outside of Texas and the Big 12. Elite coaches lose those games all of the time. It’s not called March Madness for the predictability of its results. The WTF losses compiled by various coaching legends with high level teams in the tournament are too many to even cite. Kansas alone would fill up two paragraphs. Unless Larry Brown, Roy Williams, Bill Self aren’t elite coaches?

How many elite coaches are there? Which active coaches comprise this select fraternity?

by Scipio Tex on Mar 17, 2026 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Elite phrasing

came from Bob in Houston above.

Point well taken. That LSU loss was awful as the door had opened up that season. Beat WVU on the last second shot in the Sweet 16, Duke was out, etc. It’s the hoops equivalent of the 2001 Big XII title game.

Everyone loses games in the tournament. What I’m saying is that elite coaches win big games in the tournament. I think Donovan at Florida’s a good example. There was a serious dry spell from 2001-2005 where they didn’t sniff the 2nd weekend. But he got to the Final Four in 2000 as a 5-seed (and a great gameplan to beat Duke in the Sweet 16) after catching a break in the 1st round winning at the buzzer. And then wins a national title in 2006 with a very good, but not all-world team. He has 9 wins over teams seeded 4 or better, compared to Barnes 2. He also has some upset losses thrown in that mix as well (including some really bad ones). Has Donovan been lucky? Sure. But he’s also won games against better teams and top teams. Where are the those wins in Barnes’ tenure at Texas? Or are we all hoping for a Kansas 1988 run where everything breaks just perfectly for a flawed team.

by DoubleB on Mar 17, 2026 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I carried it from Joe

But if that’s the line we’re drawing, I think he’s arguably in the group.

by BobInHouston on Mar 17, 2026 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Elite coaching fraternity

Obviously subjective:

K, Williams, Calhoun, Pitino, Boeheim, Izzo, Calipari, Donovan, Self

by DoubleB on Mar 17, 2026 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

In terms of compensation, I would think being in the top 10 (Barnes is what, #8?) puts you into the “elite” group.

In terms of team performance, I think consistently making deep or fairly deep (i.e., making it past the 1st weekend) NCAA tourney runs puts you into the “elite” category.

It seems to me your definition of “elite” is just making the NCAA tourney.

But is having beaten JUST ONE higher seed in 14 appearances really “elite?”

But your focus on what is “elite” is just a red herring to divert attention away from the real issue here - why do we keep on seeing the SAME problems, year-in and year-out, with Barnes’s teams? It’s not as if Barnes doesn’t have the resources at his disposal to fix the problems. He is either unable or unwilling to fix the same problems that have existed w/ each of his teams, save those that have a Superman who is able to overcome his coaching (sound familiar?).

Is it too much to ask a head coach w/ a salary in the top 10 to fix problems that have plagued his tenure?

by Joetx on Mar 18, 2026 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Barnes does have a good record of making the S16...

…compared to his peers. Through last year, Barnes has made five S16s at Texas, all five between 2002 and 2011.

Here is the list of teams that have more than five S16s in the last 10 years:

Duke (8)
Kansas (7)
UConn (6)

If you want to go back to the full tenure, it is:
Duke (11)
Kansas (8)
Michigan State (8)
UConn (7)
Kentucky (7)
UCLA (6)
UNC (6)

Penders beat six higher seeds at Texas. You want him back?

Sure, the offense can get frustrating. It’s at its best with a top-flight PG, but it wasn’t that bad this year, according to Ken Pomeroy.

And, landing on Barnes for having a disjointed offense this year makes little sense to me. Much too young to expect cohesion.

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, his 5 Sweet 16s occurred b/t 2002-2008, not 2011. Yes, that’s impressive for that time period, but it also shows that his teams haven’t made it past the 1st weekend since ’08.

And, as long as we’re recounting history, Barnes’s Texas teams have lost in the 1st round to a lower-seeded team 4 times.

Why do all of the Barnes apologist automatically resort to the straw man argument that if Barnes wasn’t here, we’d have a Penders clone?

You keep on avoiding the main issue w/ Barnes - why do we keep on seeing the same freaking problems every season?

And why is it too much to demand that he at least attempt to fix them?

by Joetx on Mar 18, 2026 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amen Joe

As to Penders, that is one hell of a straw man. Basically it boils down to this: “As long as you’ve done a better job than the guy who held your job previously, there’s no way in a million years that anyone should ever contemplate replacing you!!!!!!”

Drink. Laugh. Drink some more.

by NotDarrellWyatt on Mar 18, 2026 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not even close to the point

If you have very high seeds (1-4), the chance of you going out to a higher seed is much smaller. Penders picked off several good teams along the way, but I am sure most of us will agree that he is not close to the coach that Barnes is.

by BobInHouston on Mar 19, 2026 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree with that

But Penders is also not the measuring stick by which I judge Barnes. After 14 years, he’s old news, to put it mildly. I don’t care about what Penders did that many years ago. I care about what Barnes is doing (and not doing) right now. Penders is history.

Drink. Laugh. Drink some more.

by NotDarrellWyatt on Mar 19, 2026 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

So your idea is...

If you don’t make it past the first weekend for four seasons, then you should be gone.

This means that you essentially want to make coaching decisions based on 8 games. This strikes me as very bad idea.

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by Reggieball on Mar 19, 2026 5:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

1. It’s not just these past 4 years.

2. I didn’t call for Barnes’s outster. What I do call for is a guy paid like an elite coach to at least attempt to fix his systemic shortcomings.

by Joetx on Mar 19, 2026 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought you biggest problem was the size of his paycheck

But if you spell out what you would like fixed, maybe we can discuss them.

by BobInHouston on Mar 19, 2026 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Read my first comment in this thread.

It’s like playing a game of see no evil, hear no evil w/ you.

by Joetx on Mar 19, 2026 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Offense

What is funny is that the first thing out of some critics of Barnes is that his offense is broken, and the second thing is that they want Brad Stevens. Who also had a broken offense this season. An offense much worse than anything Barnes has ever put on the floor. The Butler offense was a god awful mess.

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by Reggieball on Mar 19, 2026 5:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

1. I made no mention of Brad Stevens.

2. Barnes’s offensive problems aren’t restricted to this past season. Like GD GD, he needs a Superman to have an actual offense.

3. If you can’t acknowledge Barnes’s shortcomings, there’s no point in responding to you.

by Joetx on Mar 19, 2026 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually we've always used offensive rebounding

to overcome shooting deficiencies, with or without Augustin and Ford. We didn’t have the strength or length to do that this year. Give us Ridley and some S&C work for Holmes/Bond and our smalls and I expect that will change a bit.

by Scipio Tex on Mar 19, 2026 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry...

I got you mixed up with someone else.

I am quite aware of Barnes shortcomings. #1 and #2 in some order are defensive rebounding, and not getting the best shots out of his offense.

But those aren’t the reasons for the UC loss. That game was lost by a failure to convert shots at the rim, in my view. This isn’t on anyone; it is the type of fluke that just happens.

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by Reggieball on Mar 19, 2026 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Assuming JCB and Myck come back...

I would love to see Rick try to do what UConn did two years ago. Let JCB run the pt for stretches and also let him run off the ball ala Kemba. At the end of the day, I think he is Kemba Walker minus the quickness. I don’t think Kemba had that high of a projection for the league until he erupted 2 years ago. If I am JCB, I come back to prove my leadership/point guard abilities.

Let Myck be Shebazz Napier, run a slightly different style with him space the floor and let our athletes ball. Myck really needs work on the offensive end. Unlike Joseph he doesn’t have the strength and the statistics to warrant a jump. We all thought Joseph went early but his splits were not bad, just thought he had more upside. If Myck comes back and goes 15 ppg and 8 asts he is a top 15 pick. This years draft will be loaded, I hope he sees that.

by HornsUpInLA on Mar 16, 2026 4:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Not at the point

Doesn’t mean the NBA will be desperate enough to reserve him. Kabongo’s upside would be D-League all-star next year. I’d be shocked if he played much at the NBA level.

by BobInHouston on Mar 16, 2026 4:49 PM CDT reply actions  

an appropriate ending...

honestly, the game couldn’t have scripted any better to finish up this season. and quite frankly, credit to Barnes for getting this team this far. I’m not sure that most coaches even get this team to the tourney.

considered in a vacuum, I don’t think there’s too much to be disappointed about with this team. we basically had one decent player we knew we could count on — who at times has displayed a certain lack of trustworthiness. we had almost nothing in the frontcourt and unproven high-to-mid tier talent in the backcourt.

all this said, it seems like we could’ve done more. a different game ends in the same way. so difficult to watch. in fact, for me I think this team ranks only behind “team #1 implosion” in terms of overall frustratedness.

to respond to some of the ideas noted above:

JCB: I think he’s gone. bummer, I feel like had a more intuitive feel for the game than anybody else under Barnes at Texas, sans TJ and KD. he’s basically in his 4th year and, as has been previously noted before on this site, he’s probably maxed out his NBA draft potential. I had to leave UT early becuase I had a kid and I wouldn’t blame JCB if he did the same.

Kabongo: I think there’s a good chance he’s back. first, he’s not approached his ceiling. we all know he’s got plenty of improving to do. and it’s not like Avery Bradley where you have to really spend some time imagining what an improved game would look like. it’s been on display intermittently throughout the year. he just needs to be more consistent. would hope that the situations of both Bradley and Joseph might actually keep him around as I’d love to see him take his steps forward on campus.

next year: so if we get Myck back and Ridley shows up, I think we’ve got a chance to be really good next year. with the possible exception of Gibbs, I think there’s a good chance that each of our Freshmen from this year will turn into a very solid player. and maybe Gibbs eventually gets there.

Barnes: completely agree with the comments that he’s been the victim of his own success. we were nothing before him and we’re something now. he’s never had a bad year here, which is more than Mack Brown can say. that said, it’s clear that all Longhorn basketball fans — both the real and fair-weather — thirst for more. I’m hoping the the perceived paradigm shift in recruiting strategy ultimately results in higher achievments in the post-season.

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by SAtx on Mar 16, 2026 5:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Six freshmen . . . only one of them a "possible" one and done

This season was more than I expected.

As for next year, it’s like looking at the last two days of a 10 day forecast. There are so many variables, it’s senseless to worry about.

I like Barnes. Before him, there were no T.J. Ford’s or Kevin Durant’s showing up in Austin so he’s earned a couple of years like this. He’s not perfect . . .but Memphis fans used to grouse about John Calipari’s imperfections. Now they’re made at him because he left.

by Cirque Du Salado on Mar 16, 2026 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

the big question

always comes back to can we find someone better. And there are a number of criteria to look at when asking that question. It has to be the right fit for Texas. Considering how empty the drum is on certain spring days, I’ve sometimes been more concerned about losing Barnes than looking elsewhere.

by Noonan100 on Mar 16, 2026 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

calipari is a probation angel

Memphis is mad at Calipari because he put their program on probation and bailed—same as the UMass. I’m sure he’s testing the NCAA with Kentucky. In a game where everyone good wants to play immediately so they can jump to the NBA, he’s stacking McDonald players. He hasn’t shown that he knows how to win without cheating so why would this be different?

by mdhorn on Mar 17, 2026 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

regarding NBA and Kabongo

Wasn’t it a “weak crop of PGs” last year and that’s why CJ was drafted so high?

What the hell is going on? There are so many PGs around the country yet somehow our mediocre performing PGs (Corey Joseph and Myck) are still better than so many sophomore, junior and senior PGs around the nation?

I don’t pay enough attention to the NBA draft to understand the numbers, but it seems odd that with so many PGs across the land that the expectations of our under-performing PGs exceed the results of seasoned college PGs at major programs.

by Texoz on Mar 16, 2026 7:29 PM CDT reply actions  

How many upsets have we pulled

in the tourney under Barnes since 1998? Just thinking off-hand, there was… um… well, there was…. wait, I think we upset someone in TJ Ford’s freshman year. Mississippi St maybe? 10 years ago. Besides that I’ve got nothing.

by nordberg on Mar 16, 2026 9:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Barnes

has one win in the tournament at Texas as a lower seed (over Mississippi State in 2001).

by DoubleB on Mar 16, 2026 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barnes needs to bring in an offensive coordinator

as his next assistant coach. Someone to focus solely on offensive strategy, designing plays, etc. And I don’t know what the deal is with Lanier, I know he was a good assistant for us 10 years ago, but this season he always had this scowl on his face that made me think ‘who the f is this guy and what is his problem?’

by Harry Garcia on Mar 16, 2026 9:51 PM CDT reply actions  

College bb coaches have an incredibly difficult job.

It’s not just barnes, but everyone. They had a down year because of two one and dones, but what was he supposed to do, not ask joseph and thompson to come, even though there was a really good chance they wouldn’t stay more than one year? I would be shocked if either guard comes back. And if Ridley pulls out, we’re looking at another very rough season next year, and a highly uncertain future.

by Noonan100 on Mar 16, 2026 11:34 PM CDT reply actions  

and by the way, Missouri fans...

SEC, SEC, SEC. nice showing today

by Noonan100 on Mar 16, 2026 11:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree about maximizing draft stock

Simply due to the fact that this draft is abnormally deep - even if Brown grades out as the same player next year - his draft stock would have to be higher next year. Maybe even high enough to get a guaranteed contract.

by Puedlfor_ on Mar 17, 2026 12:12 AM CDT reply actions  

This

“This team, even w/out J’Covan and Myck is full of potential Unfortunately I don’t think we’ve got the guy in place to maximize it. Which is upsetting on multiply levels, but in particular it’s upsetting because I really, really like Rick Barnes as a person. But just watching the Texas sideline this year it’s clear that the players aren’t having fun and frankly it doesn’t appear that any of the coaches are either. There seems to be little conviction in the team’s belief that what they’re doing is going to be successful. I can’t help but think maybe some changes would do all parties a world of good.”

by flamingmonkeyass on Mar 16, 2026 4:04 PM CDT

Not just this year but the last three years or more you could have said the same thing about players not having fun (and this sentiment was stated on this site and others).

I’m personally very tired of the Barnes apologists, and I’m very dissatisfied overall with the major sports (men’s and women’s) athletic programs overall over the last 5 or so years. Have we sacrificed accomplishment for the sake of money, prestige, and future conference and media positioning? Is there any accountability in the program in terms of wins and losses? Look at the major sports (men’s and women’s) and tell me I’m wrong. Having Boardwalk and Park Place doesn’t mean shit if you don’t win the game. Longhorn Inc. isn’t producing results, and in the corporate world that’s how you keep score. Time to put Barnes, and Gail G on a 12 month probationary period. If they don’t produce then bring in someone else… If you don’t like it tough shit.

by Lester Burnham on Mar 17, 2026 10:35 PM CDT reply actions  

For a second, I'll assume you are correct

Such a probationary period, once publicized, would severely handicap said coach in doing anything with an impact beyond the period, whether it be recruiting new players or convincing current players to stay. It would embolden the teams most likely to poach players in Texas or whichever out-of-state players the coaches had targeted.

If not publicized, it would cause the coach to sacrifice long-term progress for short-term results — made all that more difficult if the coach (in Barnes’s case) recruited a young core of players and had little flexibility to fill gaps.

Regardless of results — either the coach “improves” performance and stays or “fails to improve” and is let go — the pool of potential replacements will shrink and the very coach most likely to “improve” the program may well decide to pass on Texas because what happened to the last coach is just as likely to happen to him. Why bother?

This idea treats coaches as though they are fungible goods — one’s as good as another. That’s no way to build or maintain a program.

by BobInHouston on Mar 17, 2026 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not personal. It's business

DeLoss and the Board of Directors have decided to run this as a business. OK, fine. The CEO (Dodds) has provided the largest Sales & Marketing Budget in the industry. Barnes (VP of Sales) tells the CEO each year he has recruited the best talent on the market, but not only doesn’t exceed his targets he only finishes the year at about 60% of his quota. Ok for year one, leeway in year two, probation in year three, replaced in year four. That’s more generous in any business I’ve been in.

Businesses are about results. Longhorn Inc. is a business. I’m bringing in a new VP of Sales now. Can’t do any worse from a results perspective given all the resources that are in place. What are you afraid of Bob?

by Lester Burnham on Mar 17, 2026 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If it's a business

then Barnes is among the top producers in his field. Because if its a business then wins are not the bottom line. They are a leading indicator for your success and they are a key element to a healthy bottom line, but that’s it.

Your problem (and I sympathize to some extent) is that for a lot of fans its the opposite. It’s personal.

by srr50 on Mar 18, 2026 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm not going

to disagree with the fact that it’s personal for me. I also don’t think that is a “problem” as you describe. It’s also to some degree business for me and others (contributions, tickets, gear, premium tier for TV packages, etc…). Other leading indicators are ticket sales, actual attendance and fan interest.

If the focus becomes too heavy on the business side and less on accountability for W’s & L’s then you need to adjust your strategy and behavior. I think there might be some evidence that we have swung the pendulum too far toward the bottom line to the detriment of on the field/court results.

Maybe the focus on being Longhorn Inc. and on the LHN has become a big distraction. If not then maybe it’s simply a coincidence that so many of our programs are underperforming at the same time?

by Lester Burnham on Mar 18, 2026 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree that it couldn't get worse

Do you recall what Bob Weltlich did to UT basketball?

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes I do.

That was during my 4 years in Austin and I had at least 3,000 others in attendance watching with me. Good seats still available. The women outdrew the men and the women had a player taller than the tallest man on Kaiser Bob’s team.

Bad hire with Weltlich. We are smarter now and have a program and reputation that allows us to pull from a much more elite coaching tier, and guys with you know… personality.

You can’t let one mistake paralyze you for decades BIH.

by Lester Burnham on Mar 18, 2026 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

So you think Barnes is a mistake that needs to be fixed?

We just fundamentally disagree. How about we wait until he doesn’t make the tournament, or doesn’t win 20 games, or finishes below .500 in the league, or doesn’t sign a top-100 player (the latter being the most important)?

But ignoring that for a second, think back to the guys that allegedly in the final group when Barnes was hired… Bob Bender (had just taken Washington to the Sweet 16… fired four years later after three seasons of 11, 10 and 10 wins) and Phil Ford (recommended by Dean Smith… never got a head coaching job).

Just because you think you should be better doesn’t mean that picking a new guy isn’t a gamble. Picking through the pile every three years because you made another “mistake” won’t advance the program.

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

No.

I didn’t say Barnes was a mistake. I was referring to Weltlich.

My point is that I think we should be performing better than we are on the court. I think Barnes did a solid job this year considering the youth, but I think we underperformed the previous two years.

Maybe we need a new a voice and a different approach to advance the program to the next level? Maybe I’m a spoiled alum who has unrealistic expectations? Maybe Barnes is a nice guy who runs a clean program and performs better as the underdog with slightly lower expectations?

by Lester Burnham on Mar 19, 2026 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Serious question

Do you think Barnes will ever win a national championship at the University of Texas?

If the answer is yes - could you please expound upon what evidence you have that leads you to that conclusion (or mayhap why your intuition tells you he can).

If answer is no - why are you so adamant about keeping Barnes? The fear that the next coach might not be as good? And? The difference between being “pretty good” versus “above average” measured in terms of satisfaction is marginal at best when your goal is to be a serious contender for championships. That’s my aspiration for Texas basketball. Perhaps you’re comfortable with being less than that.

by flamingmonkeyass on Mar 18, 2026 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't see this as a teardown

Look at NC State. They had Herb Sendek. Five straight NCAA tournaments. It wasn’t enough for the fan base. They chased Sendek out of town. (They came after Barnes, FWIW.) They hired Sidney Lowe. Five years of nothing.

Now Mark Gottfried has them back in the S16, but that’s not the point. How patient would you be with Barnes’s replacement if he did what Sidney Lowe did? Nobody really knew that much about Rick Barnes when he was hired. He’d been to one S16. He’d never recruited nationally. I agree that they’ll get a better pool to pick from, but when Kentucky had to hire a replacement a few years ago (also having talked to Barnes), they ended up with Billy Gillispie.

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Serious answer

I’m not sure.

I do know that he has put the program in position to compete for a national championship. I agree with Scipio: In some ways he is a victim of his own success, but that’s they way the business works, and its his job to meet the raised expectation.

I also happen to believe that he has earned a shot at doing so, and this year’s recruiting class is an encouraging sign since it is full of talented “full-term” players. If he gets Ridley to sign then the next couple of years will tell the tale.

by srr50 on Mar 18, 2026 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree Barnes deserves a shot

Even I don’t think that Barnes deserves to be let go this year. But I think there should be more pressure on him than what there seems to be.

You (and Scipio) are correct in that Barnes is a victim of his own success. That success has undoubtedly grown the UT fan base’s interest in basketball. My worry is the very interest that Barnes has built can so easily wane here at Texas if the team isn’t performing at a high level. The less interest there is the less pressure there will be to replace a coach who provides good but not great teams. In that way Barnes’ failure will help prolong his tenure.

I can’t help but think of Jody Conradt’s last, what, decade as coach on the forty acres? One nice run surrounded by above average seasons that were just good enough to keep “real” pressure away. As a result what was one of the premier programs in the nation still hasn’t recovered.

At the end of the day what it boils down to, for me, is that Rick’s should of had some incredible momentum these last 5-6 years, and the program has almost nothing to show for it. I just struggle to see a scenario in which he can possibly be more successful in terms of recruiting and program momentum than he’s already been; and yet he’s continued to fail to capitalize.

by flamingmonkeyass on Mar 18, 2026 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hasn’t Barnes already had his “shot?”

Hasn’t he had several shots?

How many more seasons does he need?

by Joetx on Mar 18, 2026 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you fire a coach

who wins 20 games every year and has been to the NCAA tournament every year on campus then the odds are greatly increased that you end up with a Bill Gillespie as a replacement followed quickly by a grease fire of a program.

by srr50 on Mar 18, 2026 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

John Wooden went 15 years at UCLA

before making a FF.

Guy Lewis went 14 years between FFs (and made three in a row). Eddie Sutton went longer.

At high D-I, first, you have to recruit. Then you have to coach. It’s not the other way around.

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

What were the sizes of the NCAA tourney field during their tenures?

Unless you answer that question, you’re comparing apples to oranges.

by Joetx on Mar 18, 2026 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Getting to the NCAA tourney when the field is only 32 teams is much more difficult than it is now.

by Joetx on Mar 19, 2026 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

FB comparison

To make a FB comparison, saying you’ve made it to a bowl game for the last 10 years doesn’t have nowhere near the same weight as even 20 years ago since: a) there are 34 bowls (not including the BCS title game); & b) you only need 6 wins to be eligible (& you can even count a win against an FCS team).

And, as UCLA showed last season, you can even have a losing record & still make it to a bowl game.

by Joetx on Mar 19, 2026 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll stick with Rich Barnes'

17 consecutive trips to the NCAA Tournament. How many HCs can match the acomplishment?

Mike Krzyzewski can match the number. [END OF LIST]

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by HornChamps on Mar 18, 2026 9:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Making decisions on coaches

My perspective on making a decision on a coaching change is this:

1) Make a realistic decision about both the absolute ceiling and the level of consistent performance that your program should be able to achieve. Factor in the program’s financial resources, facilities, location, fan support, prestige, hot undergrad ass, and accessible recruiting base.

2) You obviously hired the coach you have now because you liked his (real or perceived) strengths. If he’s been around for a while, it’s time to start talking about his weaknesses. Has he displayed SYSTEMIC weaknesses, expressed over multiple seasons, that he is unwilling or unable to remedy (or acknowledge) that make it more likely than not that the program will fail to achieve your required performance level GOING FORWARD?

3) Considering the realistic pool of replacement candidates, are there several candidates who bring a net set of PERSONAL strengths and deficiencies (which will be relevant to their potential in YOUR program, as opposed to their PRIOR PROGRAM accomplishments, which will have ZERO relevance to YOUR program outside of 2-3 lines in the media guide) that make them more likely to help your program to its required performance level than your guy?

4) Consider the risk tolerance of you (say, as an AD) and your key constituencies (read:major donors who care passionately about your program), as well as the question of whether making a change now would be broadly viewed as so heavy-handed/unfair to your current guy as to make your job less attractive to your desired candidates.

My answers relative to Texas basketball would be as follows:

1) Our ceiling should be high - we are the premier athletic program in an increasingly talent-rich state that has enjoyed sustained name-brand relevance and are repped hard by one of the top 2 players in the NBA. My standards are simple. I award one point for a regular season conference title, one point for a conference tourney title, one point for a first round tourney win, 2 points for making the Sweet 16, four points for the Elite 8, six for the Final 4, and either 8 for losing or 10 for winning the title game. For Texas, any four-year stretch with less than 6 points or five-year stretch with less than 9 points and your job is up for review, and there had better be a strong case for positive trajectory over the next 2 seasons based on recruiting, retention and the ability to run a set play at the competence level of, say, Duncanville High School.

2) For Barnes, I fear that his deficiencies imperil my performance standard going forward. An X and O coaching deficiency with respect to offensive execution, set plays and late-game situations is largely beyond debate in year 14 of his tenure (sans lottery PG). Disturbing questions about his ability to balance a roster in the one and done era and ability to coach with an overall relatable style that doesn’t grind his team down have raised themselves over the last five years as well.

3) When the question is framed in terms of the personal strengths of realistic replacement candidates rather than an approach of ‘who has done more than Barnes over the last 14 years’, I believe we can find candidates who can meet my performance standard with relative ease. I would claim zero ability to successfully LEAD this search with any tactics more sophisticated than ‘throw money at Brad Stevens,’ but I feel very confident that smart and engaged basketball folks could put together an attractive list - one which would not rack up an outright dire record of tourney performance relative to seeding.

4) My own risk tolerance is high, as I believe Texas’ advantages (which are much more plentiful than they were in 1997) provide us with a high programmatic floor outside of an outright botched hire. I would imagine DeLoss’ risk tolerance is fairly low. If we have any major boosters with any expectations for, or input into, the basketball program then I am
unaware of them.

I’m willing to start the clock from last season, and give Barnes two years to score five points. Can he do it?

by nobis60 on Mar 18, 2026 1:06 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

One important caveat

Myck Kabongo is in no way ready to jump to the NBA, and is so unready that a jump now would actually imperil his long-term future by making him unlikely to be one of the best 60 PGs in the league at the end of his rookie deal and thus have him out of the league with no lucrative second contract in sight.

Myck Kabongo may be unwilling to heed sound advice on this matter, and may jump regardless of what anyone says.

If I was to learn that the advice Kabongo actually RECEIVED from Barnes was ANYTHING other than, “You need to come back to school,” I would fire Barnes on the spot with any and all consequences be damned.

by nobis60 on Mar 18, 2026 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Conference tournaments are cute

In the Big 12, winning them is irrelevant, unless you have to win it to make the NCAAs.

Are your points cumulative or selective?

Regardless, you treat pre-tournament as prologue, and think almost nothing of the conference championship — the same as a conference tournament or a first-round win. Essentially you are willing to make your entire evaluation on an event that spews random results. I wouldn’t do that.

FWIW, I have a similar system, but I put a lot more weight on the regular season, because that’s what gets you the seed you need to have the best chance in the tournament. Perhaps I’ll post it.

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Regular Season

should be weighed more highly agreed.

by Monahorns on Mar 18, 2026 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please do post your system

I’m unapologetic about being a tourney guy first and foremost when it comes to CBB - it’s where the legends are made, it’s what people remember, it’s what everyone is playing for under the current system. I don’t make the case that the tournament is the end-all-be-all for determining the best coaches or programs, but I’m happy to use a minimum standard of tourney success - over a period of several years, mind - to determine when my coach’s seat gets hot.

I think my system puts a good amount of weight on the regular season in that if you’re achieving strong regular season results and not shitting your pants in the tourney then seeding alone should make hitting the minimum standards pretty simple. If you manage a good enough regular season that you net a #4 seed or better, you can make the Sweet 16 and earn 3 total points - half what you’d need to stay safe over a four-year stretch - by beating at toughest a #13 and #5 seed. Really knock it out in the regular season and net a conference title and you’re probably looking at a #2 seed at worst and a good shot at all but assuring your position in a single tourney run.

The regular season sets you up for tourney success. What happens in any SINGLE tourney is a crapshoot to a degree, and would never advocate deciding a coach’s future on a single tourney run and its inherent randomness. If it takes a TON of regular season success for you to get the seeding you need to meet the standard - if, for example, over a 14 year stretch you have beaten a higher seed ONE time and are a combined 8-15 in games where you didn’t outrank your opponent by at least SIX seeds - then maybe your tourney results aren’t so random.

by nobis60 on Mar 18, 2026 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Great posts, Nobis

Agreed 100%. Also, with regard to the “random” nature of the tournament argument that is being thrown out there in Barnes’ defense, one can easily turn that to say that if Barnes shouldn’t be dog piled for his tournament failures, then he also shouldn’t be so lauded for his previous successes. If you’re going to assert that poor tourney performance doesn’t reflect how elite a coach Barnes is, then you can’t turn around and trumpet that long ago final four or the elite 8’s either, because they were also the product of a system where “random shit happens.” People can’t have it both ways.

Drink. Laugh. Drink some more.

by NotDarrellWyatt on Mar 18, 2026 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

But by Nobis's own standards, Barnes is properly competitive

Even without making the S16 for four years (and he certainly wasn’t expected to this year), Barnes has still made five, and gone further three times.

We’re not talking about him being above criticism. (If it’s not in the ether, go back and read my post about the end of the Arizona loss last year.) We’re discussing firing the guy. I cannot find anything in his record worthy of firing.

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whether Barnes is "properly competitive" isn't really germane to my post

An argument has been put out there (on this thread and in other ones). I think it’s a poor one (though I concede that random flukes can and do happen in the tournament in any given year). But it’s not a valid excuse for a pattern of similar failures over multiple years. If he’s that unlucky in the years in which he has done poorly, then he could just as conceivably have been lucky years ago when he did well.

I’m glad we can agree that he isn’t above criticism.

Drink. Laugh. Drink some more.

by NotDarrellWyatt on Mar 18, 2026 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barnes admitted he'd done a poor job two years ago

Last year, too, I think.

But to add this year and say, see, more of the same, I’ve had enough — that just doesn’t make sense to me. It was a total rebuilding job that went pretty darn well, considering the pieces at hand.

Even having screwed up the end of last year’s finale, they still should have had the chance to control the finish, because an official screwed up, too. Would it have been enough for you if they’d won that game? To me, that doesn’t really change the kind of season it was…. Missouri had one like it this year. They shouldn’t be throwing it back, either.

by BobInHouston on Mar 19, 2026 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

You've completely missed the point of my posts

or have elected not to respond to what I’ve actually written. Either way, I’ll take that as a concession. So I trust we won’t be seeing the “the tourney is a completely random crapshoot!!” argument from you in the future.

And I’m not sure why you’re so fixated on last year’s finale since 1) I haven’t specifically mentioned it, and 2) our history of tourney failures goes a lot farther back than that (and has been detailed by more than one person on this thread—often without rebuttal). Trying to narrow all that down to one example from which you attempt to mount a defense is fairly pointless. Then again, you’ve made it more than clear that you view success in the NCAA tournament as unimportant in the context of judging a coach, and so there really isn’t much point to us discussing this, as your perspective on that and mine are so far apart that it’s comical.

Drink. Laugh. Drink some more.

by NotDarrellWyatt on Mar 19, 2026 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

You got me way wrong; the tournament does matter

But how you get there is important, too. I’m not going to go out of my way to look for reasons to bounce a coach who does all the things he needs to do to go back every year.

People talk about all the money Texas makes and how that’s some sort of entitlement to excellence. It’s not. What it does do enable you to put in place the machinery to come back over and over, including recruiting the best of the best. People who want Barnes to recruit more 3- and 4-year “program guys” really don’t want the result of that, which is one, and possibly two chances at a good tournament run every four years. Chapman and Wangmene were program guys. So were Matt Hill and Balbay and (to some extent) Gary Johnson. Texas never will be UNC, KU, UK, or maybe even Duke (we’ll see what happens post-K). What they can be is Florida, MSU, Ohio State.

If Ridley comes, and if Kabongo comes back, next year’s team will be pretty salty. If not. it’s one more rebuilding year. But in two years, they should be good. Maybe not FF level, but good. The year after? It’ll depend on the recruiting between now and then.

Then we will get to the real issue… whether Barnes can handle coaching a championship team without gritting his teeth so hard that he bites through his tongue.

by BobInHouston on Mar 19, 2026 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

You nailed it.

My biggest frustration with talking basketball with Texas fans is that they tend not to watch much other basketball and often unaware of the wild variations in quality from the name brand elite teams from year to year. Hell, a guy just listed Georgetown as a better program than Texas over the last 14 years in one of these threads.

The challenge is simple:

1. Take the top coaches in college basketball
2. Adjust for program (we all agree UNC is a better job than Texas, Texas is a better job than Arizona St)
3. Eliminate dirty coaches (you just lost some studs)
4. Be cynical about 1 year mid-major wonders and duplicability of results at program schools
5. Look at a personal attributes that meld with Texas
6. Can they recruit their ass off? Do they have a history of it?
7. Would they take our job?
8. Are they 69 years old?

That list gets small. Real quickly.

We can’t hire Jim Calhoun, John Calipari, Tom Izzo, Roy Williams, Coach K….

So we’re going to take a shot on a young, promising guy and that can be a real roll of the dice in ways that don’t compare to our football or baseball history, legacy, fan support.

I totally reject the “you don’t want to go back to Weltlich or Penders years” logic, but there’s a real possibility that Texas could make a weaker hire than Barnes. And that’s in the only other sport on this campus that creates revenue. Not an idea I take lightly.

by Scipio Tex on Mar 19, 2026 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

The best example of the "We can hire anybody we want"

mentality recently was Kentucky.

Tubby Smith was there for 10 years - went 263-83 won the National Championship his first year (no credit from UK fans -somebody else’s players).

He went to the NCAA’s every year reached the elite 8 three other times and the Sweet 16 two other times. Went 1-1 three of his last four years — and left with four years on his contract to take over at Minnesota — hardly a lateral move.

That’s how Barnes leaving Texas will be handled anytime soon. Make his life so uncomfortable that he will take something, anything to get out of town.

Then their nationwide search turned up Billy Gillispie — that turned out well.

My point being that running someone off with a record like Barnes at a place like Texas will limit your initial search and hire.

Odds are the really, really good coaches won’t want to replace Barnes. They will want to replace the guy who replaces Barnes.

by srr50 on Mar 19, 2026 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bottom line is...

…you don’t give a coach any real credit unless he wins in the tournament.

You just assume that getting a high seed will get the job done.

Barnes can’t displace KU at the top of the Big 12, which is on an all-time run. No shame in that.

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Duncanville High School's

coach is very good. That’s pretty high bar you are setting.

by Monahorns on Mar 18, 2026 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nobis, you nailed it

Couldn’t have expressed my sentiments any better so I won’t try.

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by AKHorn on Mar 19, 2026 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rick Majerus

He is one coach I would consider over Barnes if it came to that. I am in know way saying Barnes should be replaced this year. And I know Majerus lifespan is always in question. I just think he is one hell of a coach. His Utah teams were awesome. And he had St. Louis play well against Michigan St. today. He coached the last 3 minutes practically perfectly.

He actually was Texas first choice to replace Penders. The only problem was that he demanded a dedicated practice facility for the basketball team (you know to prove that the AD was serious about Basketball). Dodds refused. Barnes accepted without the facility. Then Dodds gave it to him anyway. No disrespect to Barnes who has been a good coach, but that makes me sad.

by Monahorns on Mar 18, 2026 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

It was more than just a practice facility.

The idea of a coach living in a hotel did not sit well with the Powers That Be at Texas. That and as you alluded to, he was considered to be a prime candidate for a heart attack on the sideline at any time.

by srr50 on Mar 18, 2026 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

The way I heard it

from a guy a guy in that world was that the practice facility was the primary issue. They may not have liked his living situation and health but I think he is the Texas coach in 1998 if the practice facility had not been an issue.

by Monahorns on Mar 18, 2026 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aware they wanted Majerus

Anybody would have.

When they actually made the decision, that was long gone.

by BobInHouston on Mar 18, 2026 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Texas would have hired Majerus...

We would be on to his successor by now. The health problems that forced him to stop coaching at Utah would have affected him at Texas. I wonder who we would have ended up with? Paul Hewitt had a good season that year. So did Rick Stansbury. But neither of those guys left where they were at.

Trent Johnson might have ended up at Texas, he took over at Stanford that year, and is now at LSU. Thad Matta also made the jump from Xavier to Ohio State around that time. He is the only big success that I can find who changed that year. Perhaps Texas would have made a run at him, but Matta’s strong recruiting ties in Ohio are a big part of his success. Perhaps he could have built them in Texas, but perhaps not.

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by Reggieball on Mar 19, 2026 5:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Two things I learned from this

Barnes has two wins over top 4 seeds in his 14 years here. And one win over a team with a seed higher than his in, again, 14 years.

I’ve always been a Barnes guy, but wow.

by nordberg on Mar 18, 2026 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Comparing Barnes to Penders

is apple and oranges.

Penders coached in the dying embers of the SWC—a regional conference that outlived its usefulness about 10 years before it actually fell apart. More importantly, it was a mid-major in basketball somewhat like C-USA today.

Barnes is coaching in a Big 6 conference with all the accompanying perks associated it. He’s thus far the first and only coach at Texas to do so.

I don’t think Penders is as good as Barnes. Frankly, I’m not sure he would have been great in a high-major conference. But the product potential Barnes is working with is vastly greater than the one Penders or any former Texas coach has had to work with.

by DoubleB on Mar 19, 2026 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

When you refuse to acknowledge Barnes’s shortcomings and his refusal/inability to fix them, then all you’re left w/ is to use Penders as a straw man to make Barnes look better than he is.

by Joetx on Mar 19, 2026 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Barnes lack of top 4 seed wins and higher seed wins are somewhat misleading. If you’re a top 4 seed, you don’t play anybody in the top 4 until at least the Sweet 16 and so on.

But winning the national championship in basketball requires winning the tournament. And winning the tournament requires not just good fortune, but beating teams as good as or even better than you. Donovan has 9 wins over top 4 seeds and I believe 5 wins over teams seeded better than his.

Do you believe Barnes can match up and beat 3 teams of similar talent to his in 1 tournament. History says no.

by DoubleB on Mar 19, 2026 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’d add that his ONE victory over a higher seed was in no insignificant part due to Texas getting to play in Dallas against Miss. St.

by Joetx on Mar 19, 2026 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's possible

If he ran three top-10 draft picks out there for a couple years like Donovan did.

by BobInHouston on Mar 20, 2026 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Use of Timeouts

I know I should come to expect it, but why doesn’t Barnes use first half timeouts? We were 1 of 14 from the field…a timeout may have helped to calm some nerves, draw up an actual offensive play, and right the ship.

Just my $0.02.

Hook ’em!

by uthookem on Mar 19, 2026 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

It's not just 1st half timeouts

Barnes has a consistent history of refusing to use timeouts to stem the bleeding.

by Joetx on Mar 19, 2026 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not true

He uses about as many as most coaches.

Two years ago in Austin against KU, he used four in the first half. It didn’t help.

But if you have it tracked, let us review.

by BobInHouston on Mar 20, 2026 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions  


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