OKC Thunder Even The Series With SA, Ese - Thoughts For Game 5
Before Kevin Durant decided to destroy San Antonio's entire roster of forwards in a Jordanesque 4th quarter sequence in which he used the same screen rub to get the ball in the middle of the floor for 16 4th quarter points (on the way to 36 on 13 of 20 shooting, 8 assists, 1 turnover), the game belonged to the OKC Thunder big men. Serge Ibaka was a perfect 11 of 11 from the field (feathering the net with 5 uncontested 20 footers), Kendrick Perkins was frisky with an unexpected 15 and 9, and Nick Collison played an energetic 19 minutes with 8 points that seemed bigger than the box score.
Russell Westbrook played company man and lockdown defender, sublimating his game with only 10 shots, suggesting that he might do that more often if his teammates will hit open looks with some regularity.
Heading back to San Antonio, the savvy Spurs are hardly panicking, and the Thunder know that unless they can grab a game near the three foot ditch that the city of San Antonio has convinced us possesses touristic value, the series will be a predictable 7 game exercise in what might have been.
Tonight decides the series.
Despite their recent momentum, the concerns for the Thunder are straightforward and daunting. First, it's the city of San Antonio, where the Spurs are nearly unbeatable. It took the OKC big men shooting 22 of 25 from the field to win Game 4 in OKC, but in fairness, those shots weren't so much lucky as wide ass open. San Antonio hedged hard on OKC's trio and the rest of the Thunder roster responded the way paid NBA players should - by hitting open shots that they drill in practice every day. The Thunder also have the lesser coach and there's the very real possibility that a slow adjustment to a Popovich in-game tweak, or an overreaction to a ruse, could be the difference in what is now a best 2 out of 3 game series where the Spurs firmly hold home court advantage. A host of historical statistics favor the Spurs right now.
The Spurs concern is something more subtle, IMO.
Sailor Ripley was telling me about a conversation he had with Mike Montgomery, former Golden State and Stanford coach, now at Cal, who, when he asked if a certain player (I think Casey Jacobsen?) could get his shot off in the NBA consistently, Montogomery shrugged and said,"Yeah, sure." Long pause. "But not in a NBA Playoff game."
The playoff defensive gear - or lack of same - is the reason a brick-shooting Memphis team was feared by the high seeds, the Clippers were dismissed out of hand, and the Spurs are seemingly coming down to earth after regular season dominance. Playoff defense separates the regular season slog from the postseason. The Spurs collectively seem to lack an extra defensive gear, at least when the other team punishes San Antonio's wily defensive hedges and executes reasonable offense. SA has been a turnstile for the Thunder offense when OKC shares the ball, runs actual basketball plays, and pushes it in transition.
That doesn't mean SA can't D up. It does mean that they can't impose defensive will on anyone that's skilled and refuses to let to let it happen. The Spurs best defense is exhaustion from making people chase their offense and Popovich's ability to distill opponent scoring threats into actionable scouting reports for a roster of largely mediocre defenders. That's not going to get it done when Kevin Durant gets the ball where he wants it and the rest of the Thunder come up big like every other NBA champion there ever was. If Spurs Fan has any concern, other than foraging for their requisite daily carbohydrate intake, it should be this.
Can't wait to see what wins out tonight.
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Thabo
is he still on Parker? Crunch time Thabo-Westbrook-Harden-Durant-Ibaka sounds like trouble for the Spurs.
I notice that the primary problem in game 4 was not the Spurs offense. They shot 50% including 11-23 from behind the arc. That’s dynamite offense. Nor was it turnovers, though Ginobili’s 6 were pretty bad and likely set up OKC with easy opportunities.
The biggest problems were allowing OKC to shoot 56% and attack the basket and getting outrebounded 41-31.
I agree that Westbrook only shooting 10x means only bad things for the Spurs. When he’s playing smart and within a good system, he goes from average to superstar in a real hurry.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 4, 2025 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
They played him on Parker
Thabo had less minutes than Game 3 because the OKC bigs were playing so well.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 4, 2025 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
that makes sense
and the added flexibility only means good things for OKC.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 4, 2025 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's that guy
who ridiculed the notion that Ibaka wasn’t that important to the Thunder?
by Nickel Rover on Jun 4, 2025 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
Westbrook and Monty
Russell Westbrook played company man and lockdown defender, sublimating his game with only 10 shots, suggesting that he might do that more often if his teammates will hit open looks with some regularity.
Huge.
Re: Monty - Pretty close. Just asked if he thought Casey would be able to get his shot in the NBA. He said the question was could he get his shot in the NBA playoffs.
Subtle difference but just didn’t want anybody to say Monty said Casey COULDN’T. Monty is a top notch dude, btw.
by Sailor Ripley on Jun 4, 2025 3:43 PM CDT reply actions
operation
market garden. Was the Italian offensive “up the soft underbelly” his brainchild or was that Churchill?
by Nickel Rover on Jun 4, 2025 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think the Italian idea was mainly Churchill
Who was apparently unaware that mountains are a serious pain in the ass when you’re invading something.
by nobis60 on Jun 4, 2025 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Churchill didn't care about the success
Of the Italian campaign as much as he cared about committing the US to the European theater over the Pacific.
by The General on Jun 5, 2025 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
if true
that would hardly mean that he didn’t care about success in the Italian campaign, and it doesn’t change how fantastically wrong he was about the ease of the campaign.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 5, 2025 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Besides the lifetime achievement by Ibaka, the biggest change I noticed was that Perkins woke up and played well enough to be good/neutral instead of a complete and total liability.
Also, Charles Barkley is my favorite part of the professional exhibition: “Oh yay, we get to go to San Antonio! I just can’t wait to get down to the dirty creek. You know, Victoria don’t have any secrets in San Antonio, because those big old women can’t fit in those tiny little drawers.” Just kills it every time for me.
by Tackchevy on Jun 4, 2025 3:45 PM CDT reply actions
I really love Charles.
I find myself saying,“The thing I fine really inna-resting, Ernie, is this -” a lot.
Earlier this playoffs, he said if you locked DeAndre Jordan in a basketball gym by himself and told him he couldn’t dunk, you could come back the next morning and he’d have scored six points. I laughed so violently it startled my gf.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 4, 2025 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Watching ESPN's coverage of the Eastern Conference finals
really drives home the point of just how good Sir Charles and the rest of the TNT crew is. Well, maybe trade Shaq even up for Magic.
by srr50 on Jun 4, 2025 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Shot blockers
Other than the turnovers, the biggest worry for me is the shot blocking ability of the Thunder, and its effect on the Spurs best scorers. Parker and Ginobili are flat out not used to getting their shots blocked, and in the second half of game 3 and majority of game 4 it really seemed to affect their shot selection. I counted a half dozen drives in game 4 where it looked like they could have gotten to the rim and they either dribbled back out, or passed it out.
Also, Manu has got to stop throwing that bounce pass to Splitter on the move. I would guess that accounted for 75% of Manu’s turnovers in Game 4. He doesn’t have the hands to catch it and then do something with it.
by Horncasting on Jun 4, 2025 5:10 PM CDT reply actions
I don't have anything insightful about basketball to say,
but I get the sense that you aren’t too enamored of San Antonio. I like that about you.
Also, my DVR recording of game 4 didn’t take and I missed Durant’s magical 4th quarter. Anyone know where to see a replay?
by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 4, 2025 5:12 PM CDT reply actions
SA is actually my 2nd favorite Texas city
But you need to have a family to fully appreciate it, I think.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 4, 2025 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
I think working in medicine in San Antonio and spending too much time in the med center rather than the more charming parts of the city can tarnish one’s image of the city in general.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 4, 2025 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
working in medicine anywhere
can quickly lead to a bad opinion of that location.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 4, 2025 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true.
But San Antonio is the worst of the three cities I work in. I haven’t seen a population of people more indifferent to their health.
by BurntOrangeJuice on Jun 4, 2025 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
ah
i figured you were fed up with “unfunded-no-helmets” or drug addicts or any of the other dregs of society that make up a disproportionate number of the hospital population.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 5, 2025 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And nordberg
is referring to the one in Ukraine.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 4, 2025 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Right there with you Scipio
And yes having a family helps, but really its a nice weekend getaway with a short trip from Austin.
by srr50 on Jun 4, 2025 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Post-game interview with Durant and Harden.
These guys are not fucking around. No smiles, no show of emotion, just thousand yard stares into game six. These guys conduct themselves like veterans. Can’t help but think Durant has some hand in this, you can see him after big shots calming everyone down. Love rooting for this team.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jun 4, 2025 10:51 PM CDT reply actions
Huge game for the thunders tonight
although westbrook tried real hard to throw away the game….scotty brooks needs to manage tight situations towards to close out games…can’t be dribbling the ball for 15+sec and setting up for an iso for westbrook…
Texas Fight!
by hookemkp on Jun 4, 2025 11:28 PM CDT reply actions
I'd agree with you, but...
The basketball genius that is Popovich let the same thing happen to close out the game. And Westbrook hit a couple big shots late, including one on that iso play. I hate it too, since the days of Stevie Franchise and Cuttino “I shoot like Reggie Miller, but without the accuracy or clutchness” Mobley.
by TexanNick on Jun 4, 2025 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
yea..you make a good point
but it was def frustrating/painful to watch thunders to go from team-oriented-share-the-rock-motion/pick&roll offense to one on one battles down the stretch….
if it weren’t for harden’s clutch 3…who knows man who knows
Texas Fight!
by hookemkp on Jun 4, 2025 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Hardens 3 was clutch
I have a hard time thinking the spurs don’t pull this one out if Harden misses that step back 3. They had all of the momentum, but that 3 essentially sealed it (until yet another turnover-by durant this time).
I cheer for everything Texas and hence am a big okc fan by virtue of KD, but my heart still lies in SA
by JackbeNimble on Jun 5, 2025 7:35 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I love KD
even argued for him as MVP, but I was wrong. Westbrook is the MVP for OKC. When he plays smart, they are the best team in basketball. When ugly Westbrook shows up it is just painful.
by codaxx on Jun 5, 2025 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
disagree...I dont think thats what a mvp is supposed to do
a mvp is someone who carries the team to victory and shows up at clutch times to win the close ones. He has to be a consistent player and not have two completely polar opposite versions..
Texas Fight!
by hookemkp on Jun 5, 2025 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Durant
9 of 13 for 22 points in the 2nd half. Spurs should be done. This has 1991 Chicago Bulls written all over it. If Bosh gets healthy, the Heat will pose an interesting challenge, particularly if Wade can D up Harden and Bron can D up on Durant.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 5, 2025 3:33 PM CDT reply actions
then who guards westbrook?
if Thunders do make it to the finals, I would like to see Westbrook go crazy/let loose against the Heat. Esp if Bosh is not 100%, who can stop Westbrook from getting into the paint?
Texas Fight!
by hookemkp on Jun 5, 2025 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The Thunder don't play as well
when Westbrook shoulders the scoring burden.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 5, 2025 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not saying he should shoulder the scoring burden per se
But look how much Heat struggles with Rondo. Rondo and Westbrook are different points, but, as long as Westbrook attacks the basket like he has in this series, I don’t see how the Heats can stop Westbrook off of his dribble.
Thunders obviously play best when they share the rock/make extra passes and don’t dumbdown the game to individual battles and one man Iso off of dribble.
Texas Fight!
by hookemkp on Jun 5, 2025 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Unfortunately, Westbrook can occasionally confuse his ability to get his shot off whenever he wants to with a mandate to do so.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 5, 2025 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Chalmers and co
The Heat are far better at defensing the perimeter than the Spurs. Battier, Wade, and James are all plus defenders and they trap and rotate really well as a team.
Looks like maybe we should be talking about how Boston matches up though…
by Nickel Rover on Jun 5, 2025 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm very surprised.
I thought Boston was too injured to get it done.
by Scipio Tex on Jun 6, 2025 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
KG vs.
Anthony, injured Bosh, Haslem, Turiaf. He seems to have a low post game against them, which I didn’t expect, rather than just pick’n’pop 2’s and occasional turnarounds.
What I did expect was that none of those guys would command enough of his attention to prevent him from guarding the rim against the Heat bread and butter, Wade/James penetration.
And Rondo has outplayed James, Wade, and everyone else in the tournament.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 6, 2025 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
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