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Texas A&M; Aggies in the SEC - Part I

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In 867 Vikings landed in Scotland. Reputations preceding them, the Mother Superior of a monastery on Scotland’s southeast coastline ordered the nuns under her watch to disfigure themselves, hoping to make them unappealing to the Viking raiding party. She cut off her nose and upper lip, and her nuns did the same.

That story is the origin of the phrase "cut off your nose to spite your face."

The story of Texas A&M and the SEC isn’t written yet, but it will probably also involve brutal sexual torture (metaphorically). Is it possible that Texas A&M climbs up into the national conversation alongside Alabama and Florida without big brother looming over them? Sure. Is it likely? Not so sure.

There are several interesting factors that will influence the story. Some are worth discussion, some aren’t. We can knock a couple out very quickly after the jump.

Star-divide

  • The defense is probably going to stink. There isn’t much talent and they lost the guy that held it all together with duct tape and glue. Texas A&M lost four double digit leads last year, and a nine pointer to Texas. Turnover and luck played a role, but the biggest factor is that it’s much harder to fool a team for 48 minutes than it is 24. Tim DeRuyter was a magician but even the best tricks get figured out eventually.
  • The Air Raid can work in the SEC. I know this because it has (video below). The scheme isn’t a mystery and can be tailored to any need. It’s not a chuck and duck system anymore.


  • New defense, new offense, new QB, lost three NFL-quality players on offense . . . this is not going to be a good football team. No matter where they are sitting in ten years, this season will likely be forgettable. They play 10 D1 teams and will be lucky to take four of those.

This post will focus on the offense, the next on recruiting. Those are the interesting aspects to me.

QUARTERBACK

Kentucky had two things going for it in 1998. One was Mike Leach, one of the best teachers in the game. If you want a laugh, try and find old message board threads where confident Tech fans tell other people how they’ll run the same offense as Leach and will suffer no drop off. Yeah, it’s good times.

Second was future Cleveland Brown Tim Couch, one of the great NFL tragedies. Good thing Longhorn fans don’t have to worry about that awful franchise squandering QB talent.

Anyway, any pass heavy spread offense puts a million pounds of pressure per spare inch on its QB. Make the right read, make a good throw and don’t throw INTs or we lose (if Cyrus Gray is healthy and Tanny doesn’t have to do everything for that team, maybe the rivalry ends differently).

The problem now for Aggie fans is that there isn’t any experience on the roster, and no proven throwing talent, as every single one of the kids in contention is a dual-threat type player. I have no idea what Mike Sherman was planning here, and it’ll be interesting to see what a pass-happy head coach does with a bunch of running QBs on offense whose best player is a RB.

Your guess is as good as mine as to what happens here. Kenny Hill and Kohl Stewart are both better fits for Sumlin’s offense, but neither is done with puberty yet.

RUNNING BACK

Christine Michael is good, although he’s a big downgrade from Cyrus Gray. He’s tough, quick and a good receiver, but has had two seasons in a row cut short by major leg injuries. Ben Malena is just good enough to get you beat. I expect Sumlin to work Trey Williams in immediately because his offense is the exact kind that can turn a back like Williams into an absolute bitch to deal with.

Between the three of them, A&M will have an SEC-capable backfield, all of whom are decent fits in a shotgun spread offense IF the pass offense is any good. None of these guys are win-this-game-for-us players, although Williams has a chance to be.

OFFENSIVE LINE

The Aggie OL is what it looks like when OK athletes are really well trained. Good footwork, excellent hand placement, great with punching and controlling defenders. None of them are super quick or strong, but all five starters last year played with good technique.

I expect this to be the case in 2012, especially since Air Raid OLs are usually asked to back up and catch whatever defender runs into them. It’s a simple system and this is a well-trained group, even if some of that training may not carry over to the new system.

Luke Jeockel is the best at LT, although strong DE’s can push him around. The weakness of the OL is at guard, who lack quickness to deal with the better DTs. As the Air Raid as evolved over the years, it’s started to attack downfield more and more, asking its OL to hold up for longer and longer. I suspect Conference USA foes and the Aggie defense in the spring will do nothing to dissuade Kevin Sumlin on his ability to strike downfield, so it will be interesting to see just how the OL holds up early on.

Sumlin, like Leach, will mitigate this with draws and screens. The OL is mobile and no stranger to open field blocking, so expect to see a strong screen game, especially from Trey Williams.

WIDE

RECEIVER

There are three categories of WR: guys you don’t need to cover, guys you need to cover with one person, and guys you need to cover with two people.

Jeff Fuller was a two person job, the only one of his kind on the roster (his injury kept A&M; from winning those 1-on-1 battles on the outside against Texas and played a big part in the loss). Ryan Swope and Uzoma Nwachukwu are both fine when running unopposed through the seam, but are effectively mitigated by man coverage, something that is much more prevalent in the SEC than here.

A&M move to a full-time spread will help these guys, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Kevin Sumlin learned the same lesson Urban Meyer did, that 4-wide offenses don’t work when you don’t have anyone that can beat man coverage (Meyer also learned to love the fullback).

A&M has a few guys in the pipeline that can be that guy, but until one develops, it’s going to be slow going.

TIGHT ENDS

Mike Sherman spent most of the Texas game with 3 WRs and 2 backs in the game, which should tell you all you need to know about how he felt about the position (it would be fair to classify the FB as an H-back in that game, but most of his job was blocking).

Sumlin probably won’t have much use for one anyway, but it’s always nice to have somebody who can play James Whalen for you. You can’t bubble screen and draw yourself to a championship (exception: OU in 2000. They averaged just under 20 point per game after RC Slocum showed the world how to slow them down, but has such a good defense that it didn’t matter).

THE FUTURE

There isn’t a lot of be excited about in 2012, but there are a couple of freshman I really like. As mentioned, Trey Williams should be a killer in this offense, and Kohl Stewart should be a suitable Case Keenum redux. Both lacked the arm to be high draft picks, but Aggies need wins and he’ll be plenty good for that. I also like Kenny Hill, a QB comfortable in a system who also lacks an elite arm but makes up for it with his mobility. One of those two should be the answer eventually.

Thomas Johnson is a bright spot at WR, even if flaky WRs make me nervous. There is nothing on his high school highlight reel that shows us if he can run a route, but the talent is definitely there. Sumlin is a strong teacher so it’s reasonable to expect Johnson to develop into at least a competent starting option.

Nobody else inspired fear, awe, or even words. Somebody will take to the coaching and the system and become a good player, but they’ll need more than what they have to become competitive anytime soon.

Oh, and if you’re wondering what happened to the nunnery, the Vikings burned it to the ground.

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Thanks, John

Very enjoyable read.

Your distinction between next year and ten years is an important one. That said, I hope next season is Lindisfarne.

by Sailor Ripley on Jul 16, 2025 11:45 PM CDT reply actions  

I see

what you did there.

by stevenebraska on Jul 17, 2025 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Best lede I've seen in a while.

I love etymology and that’s a great one.

Interesting factoid on the Aggie defense from last year: they were a Top 25 defense in yards per play allowed (a respectable 4.8 ypp) but opponents ran an average of 78.4 plays per game and they couldn’t force turnovers. An Aggie offense in constant fast break mode meant inflated yardage/points allowed stats. Given their talent level, DeRuyter did a pretty nice job. Too bad for them he’s gone. I like their LBs quite a bit, but can’t say the same for their DL and secondary.

I think Michael is a better back than Gray, when healthy. But - to your point - those major injuries have to deplete him. Malena is serviceable-ish if Michael goes down. He runs hard, at least. Williams will play a lot.

OL and WR are good to go within that system. I like their OT pairing and Ogbuehi inside. True, they don’t have a dominant double-me WR, but the SEC DBs take a step back in 2012. They’ll make some hay against lesser SEC defenses simply by making them cover their #3 and #4 WR with a scrub.

Like you, I think that offense is a tough implementation for a 1st year QB.

by Scipio Tex on Jul 17, 2025 2:40 AM CDT reply actions  

“…opponents ran an average of 78.4 plays per game…”

I’m starting to think that plays a defense sees are more positively correlated to pace of their own offense than the opponent’s. Running a fast pace offense without a defense able to get off the field on their own, or lots of defensive reserves, is a recipe for disappointment.

by TaylorTRoom on Jul 17, 2025 6:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Adjustedstats.com

http://www.adjustedstats.com/ratings-stats/cfbteams.php?year=2011&team=Texas+A%26M

The adjusted stats tell the 2011 story pretty well.

On O:
Points - 18th in the country
Rush Yards - 12th
Pass Yards - 54th
Sacks 3rd

On D:
Sacks - 6th
Interceptions - 103rd
Turnovers - 109th

Misc:
Penalties - 108th
No. of plays - 1st
Time of possession - 98th

by EnglishAg on Jul 17, 2025 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good lede, though a bit doubtful -- Coldingham was abandoned 200 years before that

Would you really cut off your nose in such a situation? It seems like you could gross out a Viking far more easily and quickly, yet just as effectively.

For instance, consider the modern strategy in which women are told to try to crap their pants.

Here we find a connection to the world of football; this same tactic is historically an area of great strength for the Ags.

And it should continue to be, as they line up against the Alabamas, Floridas, and LSUs.

by Wes S on Jul 18, 2025 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Recruiting

Ags love to claim how their recruiting has improved, but last year Sumlin only had 19 takers of the 99 total offers the farmers extended. Sumlin still had 6 ships left over that he couldn’t convince anyone to take. Of the 19 kids who signed, only 18 have been admitted to school, so his first class was not overly impressive.

While the ags have started early amassing 2013 recruits, the class so far has an average reanking brlow that of last year and the nature of an aggy offer being less valuable than those from a lot of other programs makes decommits a major issue for them. Other than Prevot, there don’t look to be many nationally ranked players considering four years in farmville and the ags are already to the point of depending on unranked players to fill out the class.

Their performance on the field this year will depend heavily on avoiding injuries since they have little, if any depth on their 78 man roster. The small 2012 recruiting class isn’t going to add a lot in the next couple years. The 2013 class is only in the top 10 because its size, not player ratings (it will fall to the 15-20 area by Feb).

Aggy looks to have major problems, especially on defense. I don’t see recruiting doing much to propel them to being competitive with LSU or Bama, let alone OOC teams such as USC or even Michigan. Braylon Addison has to be feeling good about his decision. Oregon winters may suck, but the prospects for aggy to win in the SEC suck even more.

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 3:28 AM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Boom!

And, on cue, Boom! goes the dynamite right on cue as aggy decommit season kicks in with the higest rated recruit of the 2013 class getting a better offer and deciding 4 years in the craphole on the Brazos is out of the question. http://mobile.texags.com/Forums/9/Topics/2117539?page=0#r31954064

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 8:30 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Derrick Griffin...

who was likely going to struggle to qualify anyhow. kid will be awesome, but seems like he is destined for JUCO.

by Big(g) Ern on Jul 18, 2025 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who...cares...?

Except it’s the off season with ttwwoo llooonngg months to go yet. (well, 1 and 1/2 anyway)

by lurkerinthedark on Jul 17, 2025 4:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

I was hoping that the Aggies jumping ship would mean less Aggie talk around here. If the Horns are facing them in the Cotton Bowl, a scouting report would be great. Otherwise, let them be. I’d be more interested in talk about TCU and WV, since both are so unfamiliar to me.

by Ruslanchik on Jul 17, 2025 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

TCU/ WVa

The drug arrests will hurt TCU’s defense, so their offense has to make it a track meet and win (doubtful). Patterson is going to have to do an incredible job of coaching this year.

WVa will have a great offense and no defense. They have little depth, so if we get them for an afternoon game and its hot (certainly possible even for early Oct), their offense is going to have a long day. More of a passing threat than a run threat since our defensive speed should match up well with their skill players on offense.

TCU and WVa pose similar problems for us - will our offense show up and get us more than 21 points. If so, we should be ok.

Now, back to laughing about the predicament the farmers have created for themselves.

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 7:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Fanpost was made for you.

It’s for people who want to talk about something that isn’t being discussed in the main page. Have at it.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jul 17, 2025 9:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

- The defense isn’t close to where it needs to be, but we also aren’t playing as many explosive, pass-happy offenses either. Poor conditioning was a consistent problem for Sherman teams (and the Sherman human). Sumlin vowed from the start to improve this area. I think this is going to be crucial for the front seven to at least be respectable in the SEC. Some depth would be ideal, too.
- “any pass heavy spread offense puts a million pounds of pressure per spare inch on its QB”. I disagree if the system is strong. Tech showed us this for a decade. What Colt was forced to run under Greg Davis was filled with pressure. I also think it is shortsighted to think Sumlin and Kingsbury are going to chuck it around like they did at Houston. They’ve said as much. These are smart offensive minds that have the ability to adapt to the talent they have and the defenses they are facing.
- You’re selling the offensive line short. Arguably the best pair of tackles in the country anchored by well-above average play at center can certainly alleviate whatever qualms you have at guard (which I think are a reach in your piece).
- Christine Michael is not a big downgrade from Cyrus Gray. Your memories of Gray are just more painful.

Looking forward to Part II and what happens to those hungry Vikings.

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 7:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Yep

He has Larry Jackson who has tagged along with him from A&M (R.C. era) to Norman to Houston and now back.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Needed

I suspected poor conditioning as a contributor, aside from adjustments by the offense and inadequate septh, to some of the second half implosions. We had the same problem in 2010 except it was masked by rarely having a second half lead and decent depth.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jul 17, 2025 9:24 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

A&M; doesn't have the "best" anything

a big reason why A&M lost to Texas was because the OL couldn’t hold up all game long.They were well coached enough to withstand the initial rush, usually, but Texas’ athletecism kept Tannehill from being comfy in the pocket. Ogbuehi in particular had an extremely rough game.

Sherman ran the same system that the Texans do, which produces experts up front and impressive rushing numbers for the backs. I watched Texas beat them up front for most of the night on those wide zone plays, and Malena was unable to make anything on his own for the most part.

Cyrus Gray was a great fit, essentially a college-level Arian Foster. He was bigger, tougher to bring down, and had better vision. The system worked in favor of both the OL and RBs, and it will be interesting to see how much of that training carries over into an entirely new system.

For all I know, Michael may be a better fit in the new offense, but Gray was easily the best player on the team last year, and his absence might be the biggest reason Texas won.

by John Kocurek on Jul 17, 2025 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cyrus Gray is 5’10" 200 lbs.
Christine Michael is 5’11" 220 lbs.
Arian Foster is 6’1" 230 lbs.

Missing Gray AND Michael was tough in the Texas game.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know

the more and more I think on it, I think I’ll be rooting for the Aggies this fall. I’m genuinely curious to see how the SEC deals with an air raid attack (historically, not well although Texas Tech did lose to Ole Miss in their 2008 bowl game), and it would give me great pleasure to see SEC defenses struggle a bit.

by pleaseplaykindle on Jul 17, 2025 8:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Naaah

Thanks!

Y’all have a hell of a defense. I’m anxious to see how you handle the Holgo Raid. That will be compelling television.

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat

Aggies might be a bunch of weirdos (no offense ColoradoAg) , but they’reTexas weirdos. I hope they kick ass all up and down the SEC, long-term implications be damned.

by withaplum on Jul 17, 2025 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Screw the aggys

All they have done is bad mouth UT and do everything they could to destroy the Big 12.

"All the white meat is gone. There's nothin' but necks on the platter."
Darrell Royal

by Snide Aside on Jul 17, 2025 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

You aren't alone.

Wife and best friend are Aggies.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jul 17, 2025 10:35 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm of two minds

I rarely pull for the Aggies, and I generally enjoy their losses. On the other hand, I have family and friends who are Aggies, so, when the Ags win, I do feel good for them.

I might be able to pull for the Ags if the season goes very bad and they’re putting up a scrappy effort against a good team.

Their worst fans (hello Texags) make it impossible for me to wish them well. They’ve turned a college rivalry into a jihad run by their Ministry of Truth.

by RomaVicta on Jul 17, 2025 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

THE AGGIES ARE IN THE SEC

THE AGGIES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN IN THE SEC

by pleaseplaykindle on Jul 17, 2025 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is not in the best interests of UT for A&M; to be good

They are at a huge point in their program. A good season could validate the move to the SEC, new coaching staff, and make it seem like thier program is on the uptick. That would not be a good things in terms of recruiting for UT.

There is a reason that is is rare for both teams to be really good at the same time.

by Horncasting on Jul 17, 2025 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

This is true especially given the fact that Mack hasn’t totally righted the ship yet.

Plus, the aggies have burned too many bridges for me to root for them.

by Joetx on Jul 17, 2025 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

This. Good A&M; could be a nightmare for UT.

Aggies’ say the SEC move will help recruiting. To which I reply: the best recruits want to play for teams that win. If you’re not winning, being in the SEC is not an advantage.

If A&M becomes any sort of power in the SEC, it’ll hurt UT recruiting, because they’ll be able to sell winning in the SEC rather than merely playing in the SEC.

I’m not one to root against teams out of spite. I nearly always root for Big 12 teams OOC, even OU. But I am one to root for whatever’s best for UT, and A&M winning is not good for us in any way. Period.

by txTDM on Jul 18, 2025 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

So the conclusion is:

3-1 pleaseplaykindle IS a good person (with RomaVicta abstaining)

by pleaseplaykindle on Jul 17, 2025 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Texas A&M; will continue their same cycle

of 4-8 to 8-4 in the SEC. They may have a little more trouble but after everything balances out they will be a 2nd or 3rd tier team like they were in the Big 12. This year though, I am thinking 5-7 is the mean with all the changes: conference, offense, defense, talent.

The SEC will be harder to win overall but I don’t think it will be that much harder to compete. Ole Miss and Miss St. will be wins just about every year. Auburn won’t be much better than them unless they can find another son of a preacher man. Arkansas is about to slide way down. LSU and Alabama should always be beasts but remember the 90’s?

by Monahorns on Jul 17, 2025 8:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Agros will be okay over the long term. They have a good coach and have been recruiting well. They’ll be a solid Arky-esque team that will mostly piddle along but will periodically have a really strong season. I’d put the Ags down for at least one great game or win against a top SEC team every year, so it should at least be entertaining. I expect them to come out at least next season with some pride and focus and outperform the 6-6, 5-7 that they’re staring down right now.

by Tackchevy on Jul 17, 2025 8:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I agree with a lot of this...

but a right hire at HC changes the game. Obviously the jury is out on Sumlin.

I agree with the sentiments on the rest of the SEC West. This year I see the mean as 6-6 +/- 2.

Wins:
- vs. LA Tech (this game has me nervous as hell though)
- @ SMU
- vs. SC State
- @ Ole Miss
- vs. Sam Houston

Losses:
- vs. LSU
- @ Auburn
- @ Alabama

Out of this crop, three wins is best case scenario, worst is obviously going 0-fer. One or two wins is most realistic:
- vs. Florida
- vs. Arkansas
- @ Mississippi State
- vs. Mizzou

I think 7-5 and a bowl game, but it’s July. Spring Training is fun like that.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 8:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Cupcakes

The ags will certainly get an artificual boost to their record because the SEC only plays 8 conference games and each SEC team regularly includes an FCS team each year. 6-6 in most conferences equates to 7-5 in the SEC. The ags, of course, will count their annual win over an FCS program as evidence that they are on the rise and their fortunes since switching conferences are bright. Then again, most ags would be thrilled with 7-5 on a consistent basis.

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 9:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

We'll man up

and schedule New Mexico and Wyoming someday. We had to scramble to put together our OOC schedule this year. Happy to play you guys on that slate once things cool down a bit.

No Ags are happy with 7-5.

Troll on.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Reading comprehension

No one mentioned two FCS games this year. The comment was that SEC schools play only an 8 game conference schedule and they replace the 9th conference with an FCS cupcake to pad their records.

Ags cry and whine about Texas not wanting to accomodate the ags by playing them OOC every year. Significantly, never do the ags mention Texas plays a 9 game conference schedule and the SEC/ACC in-state OOC rivalry games are between conferences that play only 8 game conference schedules. Then again, most ags probably aren’t sharp enough to understand playing an 8 game conference schedule and a 1aa cupcake allows a school to schedule an in-state OOC rivalry game to help w recruiting while playing a 9 game conference schedule doesn’t.

Playing 11 college teams and an additional exhibition game against a cupcake gives every SEC team an extra win to pad their records. And, for the record, any year aggy goes 7-5 it adds to their overall historic win-loss percentage.

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 10:09 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

9 of the 10 schools in the Big 12 have an FCS team on their schedule. Continue to just throw shit at the wall and eat paste though.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many have two?

And which is the 1 in 10 that doesn’t?

by CMDR on Jul 17, 2025 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know what you're saying

That wasn’t the point he was trying to make. He said this:

“Playing 11 college teams and an additional exhibition game against a cupcake gives every SEC team an extra win to pad their records.”

Our 2012 schedule is an anomaly with this two FCS thing. Not that it matters all that much, but there are plenty of non-AQ schools that are scheduled for the same reason - free wins.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

New Mexico might as well be FCS.

As much as I’d like Texas to have the hope hand in this argument with respect to this year, Wyoming and NM aren’t going to offer much challenge and we’re catching Ole Miss in a slump. The criticism that Texas has a habit of playing poor OOC schedules coming from the obnoxious ag type is ludicrous, though.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jul 17, 2025 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

*upper hand

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jul 17, 2025 10:50 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Texas and A&M have scheduled interesting, fun OOC series over the past 15 years or so.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

And I’m sure you’ve heard the same crap from obnoxious Texas fans while you guys were playing Arkansas and the like. Every school has their seasons where their OOC slate is weaker than was expected when they were being scheduled years back. Although, there is truth to the SEC does have pretty weak OOC schedules by design, but for good reason.

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jul 17, 2025 11:17 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

re: Ole Miss

Didn’t you hear? They’re an SEC team. That makes them automatically better.

by CMDR on Jul 17, 2025 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point!

LET’S SCHEDULE VANDY EVERY YEAR

by BurntOrangeJuice on Jul 17, 2025 11:28 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Texas

How many of the Big 12 schools with and FCS team on their schedule are named “The University of Texas?”

Why do Horns fans care about how other conference teams schedule OOC? I know aggy believes all conference members live in a hapy meadow of brotherhood and love where buterflies land on the noses of lambs and all conference members hold hands to coo at the tenderness of the moment. But in the Big 12, member institutions devise independent plans to achieve the stated goal of winning games and playing for championships. Other teams are free to schedule who they want to play.

Texas will play a 9 game conference schedule every year schedule a 1aa team less than once a decade. If Arky wouldn’t quit dropping us for the return game they owe us, we wouldn’t even have the relatively week OOC schedule have. The Horns have Notre Dame and USC
OOC on the horizon and zero 1aa schools. This coming season the Horns play 5 conference schools with at least 10 wins last season.

And remember, the first win ever for the aggys came against Galveston Ball High School (it was a tight game and you didn’t beat them the next time you played them). With your secondary, you might struggle against Sam Houston and South Carolina State just like you guys did against the high schoolers.

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 11:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think we’ll play the Ags again, too, in a few years. Right now, there is no way to schedule a game, despite the Ags claiming they want to. Athletic Departments need to have a minimal amount of trust and respect to do so, or a conference office organizing the game if they lack the ability to talk to each other. How to agree on schedule (when does it suit the Ags to give up a home game economically), ticket allotments, broadcast agreement, schedule, etc.?

My Ag friends all seem to think that the games aren’t being played due to pique from Dodds. Not so, although I won’t be surprised if his replacement in the near future (he’s as old as the hills) is directed to schedule the Ags by the governor.

by TaylorTRoom on Jul 17, 2025 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Governor?!?

Call me when Rick Perry commands The University of Texas to schedule tamu. No way the legislature allows the Governor to micromanage football schedules at state universities.

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 11:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Please pay attention to how Perry is involved with UT.

by TaylorTRoom on Jul 17, 2025 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Approval Ratings

Please pay attention to Perry’s approval ratings in the state of Texas. He picked a fight with the UT administration and suffered severe blowback. His approval ratings are the lowest during his tenure as Governor (in spite of those in BCS who think the fact he can even remember two parts of his three part reform plan is a stunning feat of intellectual depth).

In politics, you pick your battles. When you arew a running (aggy) joke and an embarrassment to the state, you don’t command other schools to play your alma mater when your alma mater has been a collective group of dou@hebags and taken the attacks of the administrators of the most prestigious university in the state to such a personal level it offends the senses of even the uninvolved.

How many Longhorn, Bayor and Tech alums are waiting at any opportunity to put aggy in their place (including the buffoon aggy (repetitive?) Governor?

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 1:21 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

It won’t be overt. The next UT president (and AD) will understand what they are supposed to do before being hired. Just like recent Regent appointees.

by TaylorTRoom on Jul 17, 2025 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

“What they are supposed to do?”

Jus quit now. You obviously have no clue at the blowback that Perry is facing with respect to meddling with state universities. Aggy losing AAU accreditation is no big deal. Perry meddling in UT affairs and costing Texas its AAU accreditation is another story. Aggy has been accredited for a decade, Texas has been accredited for a century. Perry played his cards at paying back political favors at the expense of higher education.

by Randolph Duke on Jul 17, 2025 2:04 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You mean UT's next president and AD

Will be required to make embarassing promotional videos, ruin longstanding traditions, lie to conference members and stop paying professors based on distinguished academic research instead of how many fish they have in the class. I don’t think so.

We're Texas, We're not OK.

by Wrangler86 on Jul 17, 2025 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bowl eligibility

Does 6 wins still qualify for a bowl or have they changed that yet (word was it was going back to 7 in the near future).

This is a pretty big question for the Ags. With 2 FCS teams on the schedule, 7-5 only gets you 6 bowl qualified wins.

by CMDR on Jul 17, 2025 9:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Six still gets you in

There are still too many bowls not to have that breaking point.

And yes, we need seven wins this year. Shit, I’d be pissed about going to a bowl with six wins and a third of them coming from FCS schools.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 17, 2025 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, just looked it up. The earliest the bowl eligibility would move to 7 would be 2014.

by CMDR on Jul 17, 2025 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

The best thing the Ags have going for them in the SEC this year

Is Petrino hogging on his hog.

Petrino owned TAMU in Dallas, and looked to continue in the SEC West. Not only did Arkansas replace him with a scrub, they replaced him with a scrub that will be going through bankruptcy proceedings during the season.

Much easier out now than it otherwise would have been. Starting out as the 4th best team in the West would have been rough.

by CMDR on Jul 17, 2025 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I thought we weren't going to talk about...

,,, TOSOB - That Other School On the Brazos - any more? Will it ever stop? Is Texags dot com right, and it’s we who are obsessed with them, rather than vice-versa?

And what’s this about the context of a 24-minute half of football? You’ve been watching too much HS film, or what?

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You Ain't Never Whipped... Until YOU Quit -- Tex Long, Seven Words of Wisdom
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by longtex on Jul 17, 2025 10:54 AM CDT reply actions  

I will let the Aggies entertain me forever

You are free to otherwise.

I also like football talk.

by Sailor Ripley on Jul 17, 2025 12:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Aggies are interesting

Both athletically and anthropologically.

Their obsession seems to be proving they’re not obsessed with Texas despite all the easily observed evidence to the contrary. Does Texas ever worry who considers the Longhorns their biggest rival? Of course not. The Aggies still worry about it over on Texags. BUT THEY’RE MOVING ON TO BIGGER AND BETTER THINGS THAN tu!

If we start worrying about seeming obsessed with the Aggies, then the jihadis win! We become like them. The Ags are great entertainment which almost balances out how embarrassing they are to our home state. I intend to enjoy the former while cringing at the later. Am I obsessed? I couldn’t care less how that interest is described.

Again, it’s not the obsession; it’s the denial of the obsession.

by RomaVicta on Jul 17, 2025 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fun fact

The word “Jihad” just means “struggle”. So you might say that the Aggies Jihaded with the second half.

by pleaseplaykindle on Jul 17, 2025 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Arky vs Aggie was on ESPN2 the other night

Sherman sure made some bad coaching mistakes. His D was completely wiped out in the 4th, yet he failed to go for it twice to keep his D off the field. The crumbled like a house of cards, but that is their nature.

We're Texas, We're not OK.

by Wrangler86 on Jul 17, 2025 7:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Frank Broyles has said it took Arkansas 15 years to get to the point they were

competitive with the rest of the SEC. He didn’t say exactly how, just it took over a decade.

If the Ags can’t find a quarterback (and no one came out of spring giving the coaches a great sense of confidence) it could get ugly early. They are not going to be able to survive running a run heavy spread attack without a quarterback who can pose any capable threat throwing the ball.

Florida game should be interesting as the Gators look to be really raw as well on offense at quarterback, but could be pretty salty on defense.

by davey o'brien on Jul 17, 2025 11:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I am genuinely curious where Mike Sherman was going at QB.

by John Kocurek on Jul 18, 2025 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great question and I reminds me of the Horns recruiting at wide receiver for a few years

when none of the pieces seemed to fit.

Showers had a very good junior year in high school, then missed his senior year, and I guess at this time is the front runner. Manziel put up huge numbers running and passing at Tivy, but some of the choices he made with the ball in high school were decisions you can’t make in college. He had the off the field problem and I have heard the staff is not ready to trust him against SEC defenses. Davis had a great sophomore year, tore up the knee, and then seemed to struggle with his accuracy his senior year at Forest. Ended up being either the third or fourth best quarterback in the district behind McQueen of Oak (who is a walk-on at A&M), Dvorcek of Tomball, and arguably Stehling of Collins. Finally you have Joeckel who posted big numbers at Arlington, but doesn’t match the skill sets of the others. He is a big guy who is not the most agile and is more along the lines of a traditional drop-back passer.

So, going into 2012 you have 4 quarterbacks who have thrown in total 5 games in live play and Showers only threw one pass after the second game of the year. If that doesn’t encourage the Ag faithful knowing UF is coming to talent with some NFL talent on defense what would?

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only reason Matt Joeckel is even on the team was to secure his brother’s commitment.

I think Sherman was asleep at the wheel on QB recruiting. Just no one on the bench that anyone would be excited about. Of course bricks, glass houses, etc.

by CMDR on Jul 18, 2025 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Strongest statement to me about what Sumlin found on campus

is that with four quarterbacks on campus and all have at least two more years of eligibility next year he went out and has pledges from two more quarterbacks. Depth is a good thing, but 6 guys at a position in which you really can only play one at a time in that type of offense?

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’m also willing to let Showers show what he can do.

@jimmygards

by ColoradoAg on Jul 18, 2025 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Matt can get back to the guy who almost beat The Woodlands in the first round

of the play-off’s his sophomore year I think with some time he can be the guy for the Ags. He just seemed tentative last year and didn’t show the same confidence throwing the ball.

It makes sense with the knee injury and I think anyone would be foolish to think he physically doesn’t have the tools. The biggest question for he and the other three is can they handle the decision making process Sumlin and KK require of the quarterback position.

Unfortunately, none of these guys have seen anything like they will see when they open up against UF.

by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  


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