National Nosedives: Which Teams Markedly Decline In 2012?
I've already discussed my three primed-for-decline Big 12 candidates: Oklahoma State, TCU, and Baylor. Each of these teams will drop at least two games from their 2011 win total, though I suspect that number will be more like three or four. What about the national nose dives? What other major programs go into reload mode? Or perhaps even begin their death knell?
I have three for you, each different. A true program decline, a readjustment, and a program reload.
The Death Knell
Penn State
The death penalty is coming for Penn State football in 2012, irrespective of what the NCAA does. It's going to happen on the field. The Nittany Lions went 9-4 last year by performing well in a down Big 10 (6-2 conference record) playing efficient defense. Then they surrendered 600+ yards to Houston in their bowl game when the full weight of scandal met a team from below the Mason-Dixon line that could throw a forward pass (and Big 10 passing games promise to be weak again this year). The Penn St. offense was consistently tough to watch (19.3 ppg), with returning RB Silas Redd as the only bright spot. PSU returns only one OL starter and they will field arguably the least seasoned OL in major college football (17 combined starts). That's a troubling statistic for a team hoping to take some air out of the football, control possession, and win games 16-13. Bill O'Brien has a tough row to hoe.
Defensively, their secondary was gutted (0 returning staters) and their 4 returning starters in the front 7 range from good to adequate. An infusion of talent from a promising freshman class might ease the pain - as it did for Texas in 2011 - but their recruiting year disappointed. They'll be coordinated by veteran DC Ted Roof, recently fired from Auburn for a defensive philosophy that can best be described as Hey, Do You Remember The 80s?
Those are the football reasons for Penn State's decline. Any team breaking in a new OL and DBs gives me pause, but that doesn't address the psychic weight of what the Sandusky-Paterno scandal means to this program. And I'm someone who typically finds emotion-based analysis soft and overdone. But this matters. This scandal is not something to rally around in a The World Doesn't Believe In Us, And We'll Show 'Em sense - though PSU will try - like a team on probation (USC, Ohio State this year, A&M in the 90s), or the despised, but wildly charismatic outlaw programs embodied by The U or Switzer's OU. This is a different animal altogether.
Right now, Penn State - certainly through not fault of the players or current staff - represents the pure embodiment of institutional evil. And the hate and toxicity for what they "represent" will be palpable. It won't be the hate you can feed off of to inspire team unity.
Without putting too fine a point on it: t's not much fun to play for the school that covered up child rape for decades, while simultaneously lecturing everyone on their Goodness. Fans hate a finger-wagging hypocrite most of all and Penn State's arrival in town will inspire passion in even the Big 10's most docile fans. Am I the only anarchist who wishes they had a road game in Columbus this year?
Penn State will lose to either Virginia or Navy in non-conference and will go 3-5 in league play. They're looking at a .500 season, with a legitimate possibility for a spectacular implosion in the 4-8 range if the burden of being Penn State breaks them.
You Know, Nice Little Bowl Games Ain't So Bad
Stanford
The Cardinal were 11-2 last year (3-2 against the Top 25), and they'll take a substantial step back, despite preseason polls that have them as high as #12. Yes, Mark Schlabach is actually paid money to write his opinion on college football. Though Andrew Luck is gone, Jim Harbaugh and David Shaw knew how to recruit and develop players, and the Pac 12's talent level outside of Oregon and USC is fairly depleted right now. So Stanford isn't going back to its dark days. But some realities are inescapable: the Cardinal are replacing a once-in-a-lifetime college QB who constantly threw receivers open, shrugged off free blitzers in the pocket, and completed more than 70% of his throws. Real throws; the kind that 95% of college football teams can't execute.
Brett Nottingham isn't there yet.
Like Penn St - and this is a recurring theme in my analysis - when teams lose substantial quality or numbers from the offensive line and defensive backfield, I'm leery. Stanford loses two elite OL in OT David Martin (2nd round NFL draft) and OG David Decastro (1st rounder, the best pure OL in college football last year). They also replace three of four starters in their secondary. And I'm always concerned about their ability to find speed and athletes there.
The schedule isn't kind and I like them to lose to USC, @ Washington, @ Notre Dame, and @ Oregon. Losses at Cal or UCLA aren't inconceivable either. Let's call it 8-5, post-bowl. Still heady stuff for Palo Alto, but let's tap the brakes on the Palo Alto Pacific Dynasty Talk.
The Reload
Boise State
Boise loses EVERYONE. Think of a Bronco player you were familiar with. Ready?
OK. He's gone.
Try another...
He's gone, too.
And...him, too.
We can do this all day.
And I don't want to read DJ Harper in the comments. You didn't think of him. Liar.
But the Broncos have built a terrific program that can roll through most of their patsy schedule on auto-pilot. Though they will almost certainly lose more games, their primary decline will be qualitative. Is that chicken shit of me to disclaim when I've clearly defined a clear W/L decline for my other five candidates?
Yes!
Actually, here's why it's not: 12-1 in 2011 may only "decline" to 11-2 or 10-3 in 2012, but the quality of their product will be markedly different as revealed in overall competitiveness, margin of victory, statistics, and even in their bowl game, should they face a real opponent. It's about schedule. If the teams in my preseason Top 15 had Boise's schedule, they'd be favored for a 12-0 regular season. So qualitative decline means something when opponent strength disallows major quantitative decline.
That's fancy talk for: they can still win double digit games, and not be all that good.
The Broncos return only 7 starters. Five of them are on the OL and in the secondary, so that is a positive. But that Includes replacing nine defenders from a 2010/2011 core that gave them their best defenses in school history (and provided a surprising number of NFL draft picks). This fact, more than an anticipated decline on offense - which I'm convinced runs on a minimum 35 points per game average auto-setting, fueled by football nerds and gym rats - will be responsible for their decline. Boise State became a true player when they started playing defense - defenses that could stand up to the Georgias and Oregons while consistently humiliating their mid-major foes. Last year's DL was a pack of studs that could excel in any league and they'd been starting forever. If they can reload there without missing a beat - and they won't - I'll be in awe.
Boise State opens at Michigan State (followed immediately by a bye week, so they can do nothing but rep MSU all summer) and though it would be very Sparty for MSU to crap their bed enthusiastically (and you really have to admire Boise's clever scheduling of big-time-ish programs known for sucking early and/or wilting on the national stage: Oregon, Virginia Tech, Georgia, Michigan State - Petersen, you magnificent bastard!), the MSU defense shouldn't let that happen. The toughest games on the rest of their schedule consist of BYU, @ Southern Miss, @ Hawaii, and @ Nevada. Not exactly murderer's row, but what's a mid-major gonna do?
Longer term, Boise State will be just fine, but in 2012, they're just not going to be that good.
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Some other teams that could be two or more games worse
A&M, K. St, Alabama, Arkansas,
by ole tnhorn on Jul 18, 2025 4:11 PM CDT reply actions
Arky is an interesting case to me
They have plenty of talent, but the wheels could fall off big time.
by paperjames on Jul 18, 2025 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Or they could fall off the wheels
Prolly more appropriate in this case.
Change isn't good or bad it just "is". Don Draper of Madmen
by realmccoy on Jul 18, 2025 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
I see what you did there
The downfall of Arky is cycle-icle.
by HawkHorn on Jul 18, 2025 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I say: No to A&M and yes to the rest, but barely. I’m looking for a cushion, so when I predict a two game decline, I’m probably actually thinking 3 or 4 is more likely. Alabama’s secondary will struggle against good passing games if the other team can protect the passer. They need a year to absorb Saban’s system.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 18, 2025 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Key for A&M; is quarterback play.
Showers has thrown 5 passes in real game situations and 4 were versus Idaho.
He now is on the verge of being the trigger man in an offense the depends upon the quarterback making the right decision. Look no farther than UH 2010 and UH 2011 to see the difference an experienced quarterback makes in that offense.
If the Ags were better defensively I could see that keeping them in some of those games, but I don’t think they have the depth on the front to withstand the run heavy SEC and if they don’t get the quarterback play it could get ugly.
by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Kingsbury falls right off a coaching tree that makes very average quarterbacks effective. Whatever quarterback is picked will have a solid line in front of him and a nice stable of backs.
Experience is a nice thing. I also like system and overall talent. David Ash has some experience. Not sure that makes him a good trigger man.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 18, 2025 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
1. Kingsbury might come from a good coaching tree, but he’s not a magician. Y’all have what, 4 QBs (or is it now 3 after the criminal arrest?) duking it out for precious practice time, similar to what Texas experienced before last season. Your congenital aggy delusion is in high gear if you think he’ll whip up an effective QB overnight.
2. Ash was stuck at 4th-string QB in preseason practice, & thus was limited in practice time.
Plus, once he did get the starting nod, it’s not as if he had a good supporting cast around him.
by Joetx on Jul 19, 2025 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
"Nice Thing"
Yes, Ash proves experience is over-rated even though we haven’t seen what he will do with experience, and Showers (?) proves that being coached by someone who was coached by Leach negates the need for experience even though we haven’t seen any evidence of this on the field, either.
Ground breaking stuff.
by RomaVicta on Jul 19, 2025 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you are putting far too much stock into urban myth about that passing system.
The coaching tree took very average athletic quarterbacks who were very sharp mentally , gave them time to learn, and then put them in an offense that required they make most of their decisions before the snap.
What gets overlooked is that every single quarterback in that long line of quarterbacks at Tech starting with Kingsbury red-shirted and had at least one year as a back-up prior to becoming the starter. Additionally, only Kingsbury had to learn the system while he played int it. Look at his numbers and you will see a marked difference between his first year starting in the system and his second year as a junior.
From that point on each quarterback (Symons, Cumbie, Hodges, Potts, and even Harrell) had a red-shirt season to learn the system and at least one full year as a back-up before they back a starter.
That is a big, big difference than learning the system a few months ago, have to learn the system literally on the fly along with receivers who have to learn the system, and adjust to playing in a conference that is strong and deep in defensive linemen and defensive backs.
by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2025 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Very strong points
I didn’t think of it like that. Not saying this will be the case, but Geno Smith picked up Holgo’s scheme without the benefit of a year watching it from the bench. Granted, he had taken a season’s worth of snaps prior to Holgo’s arrival.
I guess we’ll just have to see how much Sumlin throws at whoever ends up being QB1.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 19, 2025 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Geno Smith is a former high school all-american from Miami who threw for over
3,000 yards his senior season in high school, had started 18 games for UWV prior to last year, and had almost 500 career passes thrown in live game action.
With all that they damn near got run off the field early against LSU, got drilled at Syracuse by over 20, and won their final three Big East games against @Cincy, Pitt, and @USF by 7 points. Everyone remembers the bowl blow out of Clemson, but what gets lost is they didn’t exactly roll through the Big East.
I think if you are Sumlin and you believe it is the right offense you have to jump in, but if you don’t have a quarterback who you can trust to make those decisions it is going to get ugly early in that offense against the defenses they will be facing.
Fortunately for TCU if the defense is as bad as I think if possibly could be at linebacker and safety Patterson can turn to a group of good, experienced skill people to try to out score teams and then go juco to fill the holes.
Not so easy for Sumlin and Klif, but better to go big with what you believe in.
by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2025 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the Aggies are in the perfect situation next year.
No one expects anything of you with a new coach, conference, and offense. I could see the Aggies being really good year after this one.
by pleaseplaykindle on Jul 19, 2025 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
TAMU was a 7 - 6 team last year that should have been 8 - 5 to 10 - 3 (bad luck, bad late game decisions). If they go 6 - 6, it won’t look like the dropoff that it actually is.
by TaylorTRoom on Jul 19, 2025 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Great read
This is probably for another post, but are there any teams missing from the pundits’ preseason rankings that could find themselves in the Top 15 by year’s end? Or any in the 15-25 rankings that could advance significantly?
I feel like Snyder’s boys could find nine wins.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 18, 2025 4:29 PM CDT reply actions
Texas. Ohio State.
Most pundits have us between 17-25. I don’t know about Top 15, but Tennessee has the potential to legitimately surprise everyone.
Louisville has a shot, based on schedule, coaching, defense, QB play.
I’d love to pick Texas Tech, but the defense scares the shit out of me.
I kind of dig Utah, but Top 15 seems aggressive.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 18, 2025 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Scipio the only thing holding that Tech defense together is super glue and Coach Kaufman
"do routine things routinely"
by centexraider on Jul 19, 2025 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I was thinking that Penn State doesn't have far to fall until I read your post.
Did they really go 9-4 last year? I thought they were 7-6 or something like that.
by Texas Wahoo on Jul 18, 2025 4:44 PM CDT reply actions
They started 8-1
in very unimpressive fashion against unimpressive teams.
Their lone decent win was in Columbus before getting drilled by Wisconsin and Houston.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 18, 2025 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, how I miss the days
Where we could objectively qualify an “8-1” record as unimpressive. Cest la vie
by SportsJesus on Jul 18, 2025 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
"So qualitative decline means something when opponent strength disallows major quantitative decline."
It’s good to see the aphorism is alive and well.
In Norman, they call this “funny talk,” by the way.
by Parlin on Jul 18, 2025 5:03 PM CDT reply actions
That old saw
I like to go to the old reliables.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 18, 2025 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe not nosedives but
Georgia. Many feel this is a top 5 team, but look at that OL. Replace both Tackles and a center. Defense is great, but I dont believe the hype
VT- brings back 3 on offense. I do not see them doing their normal flirtation with the top 10.
Michigan.. Lose most of their DL. They have a great back 7, but they play in the Big 10 not the Big 12. They made KSU look unlucky last yr. Michigan lead the country in 20 recovered fumbles. Oppenents only fumbled it 25 times an amazing 80% recovery rate. Their offense fumbled 19 times and recovered 13 of them. Michigan was +7 in turnovers last yr. I can see that turning negative this yr. No return to a BCS bowl
by codaxx on Jul 18, 2025 5:40 PM CDT reply actions
Nice info, codaxx
I had no idea about those Michigan fumble numbers.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 18, 2025 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Georgia was 10-4 last year. So they go, what? 7-6?
VT loses three reliably every year. I don’t see how they lose 5+.
Good Michigan stats. But they’re not losing too many games in that league.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 18, 2025 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
not
nosedives, which I stated in the post. I was pting out some teams that I think are getting a little too much respect. I would not be schocked to see Georgia win 8. Their schedule is weak, so it might not happen. I making the same call you made on BSU. And i think VT could lose 5
by codaxx on Jul 18, 2025 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotcha
All valid takes. Forgot how lucky the Wolverines were last year. I’ve been trying to suss out whether my SEC disappointment team will be South Carolina or Georgia.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 18, 2025 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
go with Georgia
Georgia takes to high expectations like OU fans take to book learnin’
by codaxx on Jul 18, 2025 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
If you are picking a team to disappoint in their ultimate result yes, but
UGA returns some very good talent in their front seven, they do lose Crowell, but if Murray is solid they can still win 9 games with their schedule.
They have lay-ups in their non-conference games:
Buffalo
FAU
Georgia Southern
So there are 3 wins.
At home they get:
Vandy
Tennessee
Ole Miss
Ga. Tech
I see one possible challenge in the Tech game, but it is easy to see 4 wins from that group. Leaves them with the following road games:
@Mizzou
@ South Carolina
@Kentucky
UF at Jacksonville
It is always possible the entire Georgia team perishes on the turf in Columbia and it is the Tigers first ever SEC game so if we give them that one it leaves us with a a probable loss to Spurrier, a win a Kentucky, and then coin flip versus the Gators.
Very possible to see 9 wins for UGA from that schedule even without Crowell if the defense continues from how it ended the year and Murray really has matured like it looked at times or if he reverts to Outback Bowl form.
by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
9 wins
woud be a big disappointment. They are pre-season top 5
by codaxx on Jul 19, 2025 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
True enough and I think if Marshall is viable replacement
at running back for Crowell the biggest game of concern is SC in Columbia.
SC draws a bit of a bitch having to go to LSU the week after they host UGA.
They won 10 last year, but played 14 in total. This year they only have 11 scheduled. If you go 10-1, but finished tied for second in the East is that a disappointment considering the potential of SC?
by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2025 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
? I see 12 games for Ga. Why would a team only have 11 anyway?
by UT_BKC on Jul 19, 2025 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
SC should be alright
Senior laden defense with strong bookend DE’s and Lattimore running the ball should make them better. Their qb position has been ugly but if they can get some stability, they should do alright. 20-7 the last two years. I don’t see them tanking.
by mdhorn on Jul 19, 2025 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
SEC East
Here is a dirty secret:
The SEC East hasnt been very good lately. I think Tenn will be much improved after adding much needed depth. Kiffen left that program in shambles. Florida will be improved. They have an excellent defense. Vandy has a legit coaching prospect. I really like what he is doing and he is recruiting well above Vandy standards.
by codaxx on Jul 19, 2025 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been ranting about TCU to anyone that would listen
I think their fanbase is in for a reality check. They had the least returning starters in the Big 12 before weed-gate, and they’re stepping up from a non BCS conference into a very, very, balanced and gritty Big 12.
It’ll be interesting to see who does better. TCU in the Big 12 or A&M in the SEC.
by notsofst on Jul 18, 2025 5:47 PM CDT reply actions
If I am not mistaken prior to losing Brock and Yendry the Frogs
had 13 “starters” projected for 2012 which is similar to the numbers for OSU (13), KSU (14), Texas (14), Baylor (15) , ISU (13), and Kansas actually started 17 seniors against A&M. Additionally all starters aren’t the same. I will gladly take back Boyce and Casey and thank Cuba, Fobbs, and Broughton for their time in Fort Worth.
I am not concerned about the #1’s TCU trots out (other than the second linebacker) this year, but as Patterson has said the key is the #2’s and 3’s. That is where the Frogs have been hurt by stupidity, grades, and injuries.
by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right about TCU, they were at 13 and tied with Iowa State before losing two more players. That puts them at 11
Texas - 17
OSU - 16
KSU - 18
Baylor - 16
Not really what you want to see when you’re jumping up about two tiers in conference difficulty.
I think they lose 5 games.
by notsofst on Jul 20, 2025 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Just curious on the source of the numbers.
Are you counting anyone who started are the kids who were the primary starters.
Big difference in how that reflects.
by davey o'brien on Jul 20, 2025 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
TCU was my pick, too.
I’m including OK St. True frosh QB = fail.
by Stiendam Hall on Jul 20, 2025 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on Penn st
they have a high motivational mountain to climb. They’ll start off despised, and if they revel in any victory or “us against them” mentality, it’ll just further exacerbate the situation.
Personally I would resign or transfer if I was involved with that program, I have trouble believing that beleagured teenagers will find the emotional committment to survive the season. And I absolutely wish that they had to travel to Columbus, but I think even @ Nebraska could be rough.
All the other programs, except Baylor, already have established strength in the programs that’s well equipped to fill in holes. Not saying that Stanford will shrug off the loss of Luck, but I’m legitimately not sure if I’m ready to assume that TCU won’t be able to replace their OL losses, or that their D won’t end up being pretty salty.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 18, 2025 6:01 PM CDT reply actions
TCU
is coming from a league(s) where you could get 3-4 week breathers based on the competition. Their final five games reads like this:
@ Okie State
@ WVU
vs. K-State
@ Texas
vs. Oklahoma
They haven’t had a stretch like that since the SWC. Couple that with their offseason, and they’ll have their hands full.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 18, 2025 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions
it's horrendous to be sure
but I think the Rose Bowl team could have taken 4 of 5 from that stretch. If they are back on track I could see them maybe taking 3.
They do have a nice long intro to the season to break in the minds of their younger players.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 18, 2025 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
If Dunbar and Teyo step up at tackle and a swing guy can be found then TCU will be
able to score some points with Casey, their receivers, and James/Tucker running the ball.
Key is on defense. The young tackles need to be solid, not great, but solid. Stansly is a bit underrated and I think with the return of Anderson and Fields/Lathan coming in we could have a nice rotation at defensive end.
Keys are linebacker where it looks like a true freshman will need to step up, corner to stabilize, and some players nuts to drop at safety. If that doesn’t happy it will be ugly.
Problem is we have been losing depth due to some grades and injuries. Lost two linebackers and now it looks like the #4 corner has gone down.
by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I will take our chances with those five over the Ags
four game stretch in the middle that goes:
LSU
@Auburn
@ Mississippi State
@ Bama.
I think either one of us will be ecstatic with two wins from those stretches.
by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right
We somehow walkout of that with two, we’ll be thrilled.
I know we’re AGGY LOL but those two in the middle are very winnable. Don’t let Auburn’s name fool you.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 18, 2025 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
If the two middle games were in BCS I think there would be a good chance
the Ags win one if not both if they get the quarterback play they need to make that offense work for them.
Auburn has problems at quarterback on their own, but I think this is a situation where just as some of the TCU alums I know don’t realize how tough a trip to Ames can be I think people underestimate the athletes and the difficulty in playing in places like Auburn and Starkville.
by davey o'brien on Jul 19, 2025 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
They’ll start off despised, and if they revel in any victory or "us against them" mentality, it’ll just further exacerbate the situation.
That’s it. They can’t celebrate a win without a massive backlash and a sense of recoil. It’s a horrible position to be in.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 18, 2025 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it possible the opposite happens...
and the nation rallies behind the players of the team knowing they were not at fault and the team, not the university, gets some sympathy support? Seems like other fan bases might be more kind to them rather than more vicious. I don’t see fan bases making inappropriate comments toward them based on what’s happened. I wouldn’t know how to respond to PSU if they played at DKR. I know there’s not a group of players and coaches in the country I feel worse for. They have a tough road ahead (assuming they get to play).
'Til Gabriel blows his horn...
by mattyj on Jul 18, 2025 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha
yeah. It would take some really gutsy wins and extremely favorable sports media coverage to generate that kind of response.
Every drunken buffoon who wants to find morally superiority or rip on a team without relent will have carte blanche from everyone else to do so.
Rooting against PSU will be easier than rooting against LA or NY next year. I foresee uncountable “Ped State” shirts, posters, and other terrible material.
Personally, I don’t feel terrible for them at all. They chose to play there, they chose to stay when it all broke. I have trouble summoning a moral conviction to defend their right to play football without scrutiny.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 18, 2025 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
This would only happen
if they got the death penalty. The little try-harder-white-boys AFTER the death penalty would have Tom Rinaldi sniffing around State College all season. ESPN would be lapping up this REBUILDING OF INTEGRITY.
If they play this year, they don’t have a rallying cry and they’ll get shit in most places they go.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 18, 2025 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Assuming they get to play
Yes, they play this year regardless. 2013 is in question. No way they have time for the NCAA to meet and decide after getting the responce from PSU. If they get the DP, they will have to let the players transfer (see Baylor BB). They may even have to set up rules for how the “recruiting” of the transferrring players would occur. Plus, the 12 teams on their schedule would have no time to get another game.
by RQ on Jul 19, 2025 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Looking at Baylor's schedule it is possible they make the big drop.
They start off with three games that should be wins with:
SMU
Sam Houston
@ La. Monroe.
I don’t think points will be the issue in these type games.
Next three could be interesting:
@WVU
TCU (2 weeks later)
@ UT
If TCU were right after going to Morgantown I would think the TCU game would be much harder. Key here could be who has the better defense. Then with the Texas game you have to think Manny get his licks in early in the year and Florence at quarterback instead of RGIII. I can see Baylor going 0-3, or 1-2, but don’t see them beating UT and TCU.
They go to Ames after Austin which can be a bitch if you aren’t ready and then get KU in Waco. Very, very possible they go 1-1 in that period, but let’s give them 2 wins and have them 5-3 at this point.
They go to Norman and Bob is still pissed, get KSU in Waco, Tech in Arlington, and then OSU in Waco. Does anyone see them winning more than 1-2 in those last 4?
by davey o'brien on Jul 18, 2025 9:03 PM CDT reply actions
You botched the Penn State part
their 4 returning starters in the front 7 range from good to adequate.
DE Pete Massaro is a returning starter, DE Sean Stanley started 8 games last year, DT Jordan Hill started every game, LB’s Gerald Hodges and Glenn Carson started every game, Michael Mauti was a starter until he was injured.
As far as the secondary goes, Step Morris has over a seasons worth of starting games, and Willis has started 9 games over his career.
Along with that, Hodges is held as one of, if not the top OLB’s in the nation, and LB’ing corp as a whole is. That’s not “Good to adequate”.
A new S&C coach that was one of the best in the nation is here, the team is doing squats and bench presses now, among other things.
There’s no noticeable mental affect from the scandal, motivational or de-motivational from the players.
The play calling won’t be a trainwreck, actually taking advantage of talent on the offense.
To put it nicely, anyone who thinks we’ll barely make it to .500 hasn’t been paying attention. Or were those that thought OK State would be bad in 10’, Auby in 10’ etc.
I'm Sorry About Not Being Sorry I'm a Penn Stater
by ICEICETHATGUY13 on Jul 19, 2025 11:54 AM CDT reply actions
From PSU's athletics website
Here:
O’Brien’s squad returns 34 letterwinners and nine starters for the upcoming season, as well as 16 players that have starting experience.
That nine starters total refers to 5 on offense, 4 on defense. It seems Penn State athletics makes a distinction between an actual returning starter and a guy who once started a game. So you’re contending that your defense is returning 8 starters. By that methodology, there are teams in FBS returning 14 starters on defense.
And my characterization of PSU’s talent is accurate. Gerald Hodges is good. It takes a particular strain of homerism to find the description “good” an insult.
Could you win more than 6? Sure. Your feeble schedule should guarantee 7, at minimum. Northwestern, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Temple, Navy, Ohio University. But I’m sort of counting on the wheels coming off.
The ‘10 Auburn and Oklahoma St reference was worth a good chuckle. Thanks. I’ll expect to see you in the Rose Bowl, then.
by Scipio Tex on Jul 19, 2025 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions
This is getting worse by the day. I will take a toll.
http://www.nj.com/collegefootball/index.ssf/2012/07/penn_state_scandal_former_chai.html
The only questions that remain are:
How many of them knew?
How much did they know?
When did they know it?
by j_java on Jul 21, 2025 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
"There’s no noticeable mental affect from the scandal, motivational or de-motivational from the players."
Good to hear they haven’t crumbled under the pressure of June and July.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 19, 2025 12:16 PM CDT reply actions
But they're doing "bench" and "squats" now!
Have you heard of these exotic lifts?!!
by Scipio Tex on Jul 19, 2025 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
@RickMuscles taught them well
In the Paterno days, strength and conditioning meant pulling Amish plows across the great land of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Good kids doing it the right way for the most integrityest institution in the land.
@jimmygards
by ColoradoAg on Jul 19, 2025 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, that must have worked pretty well, because guys who had never heard of the bench press just walked in to the combine and put up some pretty decent numbers to get drafted:
Navorro Bowman - 26 reps
Brett Brackett - 22
Levi Brown - 31
Dennis Landolt - 24
Ollie Ogbu - 26
by UT_BKC on Jul 19, 2025 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Potshots at S&C; Coaches hit close to home around these parts
by pleaseplaykindle on Jul 19, 2025 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
easily
my favorite line. I actually expect a decline now, in the functional strength of PSU players. Great modern S&C guys are not pointing their players towards those exercises.
The fact that they weren’t doing them before and putting LB’s and DL in the NFL every year suggests that they had someone who knew what he was doing before…
by Nickel Rover on Jul 19, 2025 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
How about Wash State - surely there will be some interesting lines and an increase in wins?
Totals and wins seem really interesting for them
by hornin hk on Jul 20, 2025 3:30 AM CDT reply actions
According to AAS, BOT member resigns
http://cinesport.statesman.com/austin-texas-sports/penn-state-trustee-garban-resigns/
by j_java on Jul 21, 2025 12:11 PM CDT reply actions
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