2012 NBA Draft: Some Texas-Centric Perspectives
NBA guru Jonathan Tjarks already has you covered with his thoughts on NBA Draft winners and losers. For the most part, I agree with his sentiments--as evidenced by our Mock Draft, we share convergent ideas when it comes to drafting and accruing talent. I had some additional, Texas-centric, thoughts I figured I would posit to the readership.
- For those excoriating Rick Barnes and his one-and-dones, Tjarks also wrote a compelling piece for SB Dallas on Scott Drew's role in the fall of Perry Jones III and Quincy Miller. The bottom line is that Tristan Thompson (and, to a lesser extent, Cory Joseph) made a GREAT decision to declare last year. One only has to look at the plummeting draft stocks of sophomores Jones III, Jared Sullinger, and Harrison Barnes to catch that drift.
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worst pick
Austin Rivers at 10. Wouldn’t you want your shooting guard to be a better shooter? He’s not even a good FT shooter.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 29, 2025 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
I am working on an Austin Rivers piece
He has some really quirky stats that suggest he was playing with an unusually high degree of difficulty.
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by Reggieball on Jun 29, 2025 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Defense
You would also like someone who might make some attempt at playing defense.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. If they get mad, you're a mile away AND you have their shoes.
by Caradoc on Jun 30, 2025 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Austin Rivers problem is that he’s too short to play the way he wants to play in the NBA. He’ll get his free throws in order. He’s 19. I see him as a shorter Kevin Martin type, but hopefully he can play the microwave role with the Hornets off the bench next year.
Both Rivers and Harrison Barnes are going to be better as pros imo. HB made more “NBA” shots than anyone I saw in college basketball last year. The fact that he tended to completely disappear sometimes certainly is a problem, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him average ~15 next year with ~17-22 ppg in his near future.
by A-Tex Devil on Jun 29, 2025 12:30 PM CDT reply actions
And I called Miles Plumlee right before it happened...
Because, really, who else was Indiana going to pick right there? Don’t they ALWAYS pick the tall white kid with midwestern roots/connections if he’s available?
by A-Tex Devil on Jun 29, 2025 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
When the absolutely have to they’ll go ahead and make a good pick like Paul George. But yea, it sure does seem like they go out of their way to draft a certain type of player.
by tjarks on Jun 29, 2025 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the PJ3 pick for the Thunder
I hope Scott Brooks experiments with some zone this next year now that they have all this athleticism and length stockpiled. PJ3 will easily transition into the fast break game the Thunder have, while he shouldn’t have much asked of him in the half court sets.
by HornsUpInLA on Jun 29, 2025 1:36 PM CDT reply actions
I think more teams
should and will experiment with zone. Especially after the thrasing the Heat administered last year, teams should be tired of getting abused by Wade/James and giving up 30 FT’s pretty soon.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 29, 2025 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Problem with playing a zone against Miami is they can go LeBron at the 4, Bosh at the 5 and have LeBron pick it apart from the high post. I think the only way to beat the Heat is to play big men good enough to force them into a more traditional line-up.
by tjarks on Jun 29, 2025 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Cuban stated he thought the Mavs zone was enough to get them into a funk
He thinks that is why they won the Ship last year
by HornsUpInLA on Jun 29, 2025 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
that is a new development with them
that would make zone trickier. but as hornsupinla noted, the Mavs used the zone very effectively against them. Denying James and Wade good looks at the rim is pretty key. Granted, Dallas had Tyson Chandler.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 30, 2025 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Zone perhaps makes more sense in the NBA than anywhere else...
where there seems to be less emphasis on offensive rebounding, and more on getting back on D. Zone can help reduce fouling.
I don’t know if it really will work any better than man to man. At all other levels that don’t involve kids younger than 12 (maybe 16 for girls), zones don’t seem to be as effective. The rebounding problems they create seem to really hurt. With little kids, they are effective, because the kids aren’t usually strong enough to throw skip passes, don’t really understand how to attack it, and struggle with shooting. Also, offensive rebounding rates are pretty high for little kids with all sorts of defenses.
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by Reggieball on Jun 29, 2025 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Works for syracuse
and it works in international basketball. Didn’t Greece take us down playing zone?
This is obviously irrelevant, but if you ever unleash a 2-3 zone in streetball you can completely dominate.
by Nickel Rover on Jun 30, 2025 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Syracuse Defense
From my database, here are how Syracuse’s opponents shot, and how frequently ’Cuse blocked shots from each location:
Shot Type % of shots FG% % Blocked Unblocked FG% At Rim 31.00% 56.00% 20.00% 70.00% 2pt Jumpers 32.00% 30.00% 12.00% 35.00% 3pt Shots 36.00% 31.00% 3.00% 32.00%
I don’t know that zone does much to reduce shots at the rim. Syracuse doesn’t reduce them to particularly low levels. Neither did Louisville, who also played a lot of zone this year.
Looking at Syracuse’s defense, we do see some of what can make a zone successful. You really need someone (preferably multiple players) who can block shots. Syracuse and Louisville both did a good job of blocking shots at the rim (Louisville blocked 15% of the attempts at the rim this season). If you have a good shot blocker, zone probably helps them out. Although Kansas and Kentucky were also able to block plenty of shots without playing much zone.
At the college level, I can’t think of any examples of good zone defenses where there wasn’t at least one serious shot blocker in the middle. (Please point some out, I would be interested to look into them.) If you aren’t blocking shots, then what exactly are you getting out of your zone defense? The extra offensive rebounds that you will allow get expensive.
On the plus side, zone teams tend to foul less. But I would rather foul more, and be better at defensive rebounding.
If you can force a lot of turnovers or block enough shots to lower your opponent’s eFG%, zone is fine. I don’t really know international basketball, so it is hard for me to comment on Greece.
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by Reggieball on Jul 1, 2025 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Quick addition, for context
On average, about 10% of all attempts at the rim are blocked. So Syracuse’s 20% is really good.
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by Reggieball on Jul 1, 2025 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Types of shots allowed
My thinking on the benefits of zone is that it allows fewer shots at the rim and encourages long 2 pt jumpers, which are the worst common shot in basketball.
If you have a good shot blocker or help defenders it should be highly effective at stopping penetration.
This is all theoretical and I’ve had no reason to doubt it. If that’s not the case I’m pretty interested.
by Nickel Rover on Jul 4, 2025 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I’m a big Sheldon McClellan fan. Really curious to see what type of improvements he makes between Year 1 and Year 2. Definitely has a chance to be a first-round pick down the road.
by tjarks on Jun 29, 2025 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
Pat Riley announced today that the Heat will Pick up the option
on Dexter Pittman’s contract — which means he gets a guaranteed 900,000 next year.
He needs to send Todd Wright a really good Christmas gift.
by srr50 on Jun 29, 2025 7:22 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Tom Izzo on NBA Draft
It’s sort of good for recruiting.
“Every kid that goes to the NBA benefits me enormously,” Izzo said. “If I get a kid going to the NBA right now, I’m sad to say, if you had to look at winning a national championship or sending a kid to the NBA, which would help your recruiting more? It would be the kid going to the NBA.”
by Sailor Ripley on Jun 30, 2025 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
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