SCOREBOARD -- Early Grades

Manny Diaz was indeed dialed in last night. He was animated without being in a frenzy. He showed the ability to be a play or two ahead of the game, and that is a trait that is gold for a coach.

I also noticed that after the game he sought out Tannyhill and spent quite a bit of time talking to him — Tannyhill was unconsolable, but I thought it was a classy gesture.

Absolutely agree about the corners. Can’t say enough about ‘em. Diaz left those kids on an island the entire game and they just freaking shut it down. Brilliant.

Don’t disagree with anything else you’ve written. O-line grades out for Mason Walters’ outburst alone. One of the highlights of the game, IMO.

Take it back. One grade I would disagree with is the D on the punting game. Straight up F there.

I don’t think Jeffcoat played the entire 4th quarter. Injury that didn’t get talked about?

Run game got noticeable better when Matthews replaced Grant. If Grant’s going to drop balls and not provide a security blanket in the pass game, he’s a liability.

I actually thought Walters was way out of line with that outburst. Luckily Case handled it well.

If I’m on offense, I quietly resent the high grades that Professor Toadvine is handing out to the other side of the classroom, but know in my heart that the D deserved it. Mack’s “B” is maybe a little high, but there you go.

Byndom turned in homework so good that he’s going to be asked to tutor the other students.

Walters may have been a little out of line but was good to see emotion.
Interesting karma that he jumped on the first play (?) of the game winning drive.

This team has been through the entire spectrum of experience this year and they have become family. It is going to be really fun watching them mature.
Harsin/White and Manny should keep the pipeline full so we don’t find ourselves in this position again.

Hook’em.

The F for the TEs is a little harsh given Irby’s TD reception.

Pretty much agree with you around the board except the grades for Case and Harsin / White, though they’re tricky ones to grade.

In a vacuum, that’s probably about right for Case. The game plan was to give our defense a chance to win the game. Our offense was predictable and consistently put him in 3rd and long before he was given an opportunity to throw. His receivers (as a unit) dropped too many passes and ran some ragged routes. He didn’t turn the ball over and his “splosive” run in crunch time wins us the game. I got to give him an A.

Harsin / White - I hear what you’re saying about bark and leaves, but let’s not act like the athletes they’ve been given are a bunch of talent less ass clowns. I expect our coaches to be able to do more with less when we don’t have all the pieces of the puzzle in place. I can’t give them more than a C + for this game. They’ve got a lot to prove to me next year.

Fritz and n-ea,

I give Harsin/White credit for the Irby TD. So that explains the discrepancy there.

I think Case did a good job of playing within himself (although he got lucky with some bad throws back across the field) and the scramble was a gutsy play. But I cannot give him an A for that game.

I guess it depends on your curve… Are we grading McCoy against what he is capable of? (he gets an A-) or against what a UT QB should be capable of? (he gets a D-)

I thought Walters going ballistic was good for two reasons:
1) we’ve all criticized the OL for being too passive and not mean enough. That outburst just reinforced what people have been saying about Mason; he’s a leader and a passionate SOB.
2) I’m guessing Mason said something like, “Make up your fucking mind and call the play.” I thought Case had been a little too active in calling audibles and waiting too long to do it. This caused confusion and indecision. We had to burn a TO earlier because of it. Also, at that point of the game we couldn’t afford mistakes.

I would like to think this win is the start of a long winning streak, but our issues at WR and QB are still going to make it difficult to finish out this season with two Ws (vs Baylor and bowl game.) If Bergeron and Brown are 100% for bowl game, I like our chances, but BU is going to be tough with RGIII and hobbled B & B.

I recognize you graded without researching the details, but…

Fair grades except for the punt group. Tucker is a field goal kicker being asked to punt. Different muscle group. You need pudgy, big-boned guys for that duty. He kicked 11 times for 34 yard average. But the net was 3 yards less and they fair caught 9 of the 11 punts. So if he kicked his average (38) and A&M returns their average (13.6) we would have been worse off. The high kick actually served to stymie their ace punt returner Dustin Harris who came into the game averaging 23 ypr and has a PR TD skin on the wall this season. This is the same dude who trucked us for a 33 yarder beginning of 2nd quarter which was somewhat negated by a late hit call on Tucker. If we kick it 5 more yards on average you just might have given that guy more chances to really flip the field on us.

While true we could have used a couple of 50+ bombs, the fact is almost all of Tucker’s kicks (9 of 11) came against what breeze was blowing. I understand the frustration but the punt return group did not give up the game defining play and kept Aggie in front of them. I think a C is about right under the circumstances given they executed to the game plan. Just my 2 cents.

As for the kick return team, they have regressed to early season form. D- for them.

Diggs had a couple of decent returns last night. The loss of Fozzy hurts, obviously.

Fair point on the punts — the problem is the 38-yard average. That’s on the coaches too. But I do not like punting 30 yards from your own 10. Was surprised not to see some rugby style kicks. They didn’t give up any TDs though, that’s true.

I’m going to disagree with your grade on the punting. By now we are all aware of Tucker’s limitations punting and kicking off. WIth our defense dominating, we needed to prevent any returns. So Tucker did what he had to do for us to win, get the punt off quick with lots of hang time. He could have gotten a few more yards by sacrificing some of that hang time, but that would have opened us up to some returns by a guy who broke some aggy school records the week before. The gross punting yards were pretty gross, but the net wasn’t too bad considering how bad the alternative could have been.

I’m in the minority about recruiting kickers and punters. We definitely need to offer scholarships to exceptional punters and kickers because games are often won or lost with special teams play. We have been successful finding kickers, but it has been a while since we had a punter who could switch field position on a team.

F- for the punts. I give Harsin an incomplete for the game and the season. The talent level is so low on offense that I think he has no ability to do what he wants to do. A+ for Acho and the defense. He was a man among boys last night

Wow, step away from the computer in the middle of typing something and a vital counterpoint becomes repetitive.

Did anyone see the Aggie player that stood over Irby after he fumbled? It reminded me of the infamous Westbrook taunting penalty back in the SWC days.

That went uncalled and A&M caught a huge break. That penalty would have pushed them back too far to get a field goal after that turnover the way our defense was playing.

@ Newy, if they’d called that one, they would have needed to flag Gideon whenever he made a play. Because he’s nothing if not a relentless shit talker.

Due respect to differing opinions here, but the punting was abysmal.

Ut25Tucker, Justin punt 32 yards to the TAMU43
Ut19Tucker, Justin punt 37 yards to the TAMU44
Ut15Tucker, Justin punt 31 yards to the UT46
Ut24Tucker, Justin punt 39 yards to the TAMU37
Ut26Tucker, Justin punt 41 yards to the TAMU33
Ut39Tucker, Justin punt 41 yards to the TAMU20
Ut27Tucker, Justin punt 34 yards to the TAMU39
Ut29Tucker, Justin punt 32 yards to the TAMU39
Ut05Tucker, Justin punt 35 yards to the UT40
Ut40Tucker, Justin punt 28 yards to the TAMU32

I mean, really, a thirty-five yard punt from our own five? A thirty-one yarder from our own fifteen? A thirty-seven yarder from our own nineteen?

I wasn’t a big fan of the Walters outburst, simply because we’d seen offensive confusion pre-snap at multiple times during the game, and while I could forgive that in the 1st half, seeing it in the 2nd really pissed me off. I put that on the coaches. And like you, I didn’t like the predictability of the play calls.

All in all, very fair grades Toad.

Very decent grading, thanks.

My favorite quote of the day: “Texas played the best defense we’ve played this year,” said a distraught A&M coach Mike Sherman.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/longhorns/thanks-for-the-memories-and-this-last-one-1993629.html

Longhorn offense goes 3 n out on 10 of 19 possessions.
A & M’s starting field position:
43
44
47
36
33
37
21
40
28
20
14
43
39
47
40
32

DEFENSE wins football games.

Defense won this football game, Loudenswain. No question about that.

I agree with the punts. Why not rugby kick if you’re going into the wind and hope to get some good bounces for field position? I would be interested to hear their reasons for continuing to let Tucker kick it high and short. Preventing a blocked punt?

Funniest thing is that despite all their martial “traditions”, aggy has no killer instinct.

Oh my God, I am so hungover. I’m going back to bed now.

You’re wrong on Case. He deserves more credit than you give..

1. The oline was putrid - did you see the back of Case’s jersey?
2. The WR dropped so many catchable passes.
3. Big time stage, incredible pressure
4. first start since UCLA
5. Big play when it mattered most
6. No turnovers
7. Managed game

A-

Walters:

I had very good seats for the Ks State (almost the front row, behind the bench) and Walters was major pissed during the game including that fact that he went ballistic on a girl that tried to bring him water after he was pulled out of the game and was sitting on the bench by himself. Not sure what was going on but not a happy camper.

Nice work, TV. I’m picking up what you’re putting down in terms of grades. I’ve given up trying to weigh the pluses and minuses of our two QBs and am just pulling for whoever the hell happens to be lined up under center at any particular moment.

Waaaay back in August while reading Longhorn Scott’s tremendous series on the Harsin/Boise offense I kept asking ‘whither the TEs that can make all these gorgeous seal blocks, handle DEs one on one and make defenses pay for leaving them open up the seam?’. We’re now pretty much a full season in, and I don’t know where they were but it sure wasn’t on the field. Shoddy TE play is a terrible detriment for this kind of offense and it’s a spot where I’d
Really love to see us grab a talented JUCO dude could one be found.

Still on Cloud Nine after this one - what a historic win. 7-4 with momentum and rest going into Baylor is huge as well - ‘we’ have a real chance to end this season with strong momentum.

Just checked TexAgs and they have the referee’s work address and phone number posted. Idiots.

I guess they thought both Swopes and Tanneyhill got past the marker on their last drive (they didn’t). Or that Fuller got into the endzone (he didn’t). Or that Keenan horsecollared that dude (he didn’t). Or that helmet to helmet is not a personal foul (it is). Clowns.

Thanks, Toadvine.

An unsung and unseen hero in this, IMO, is Benny Wylie.

If Jeff Madden were still our S&C coach, this team - especially the defense - would’ve possessed neither the will nor the physical wherewithal to compete for all four quarters.

Amen re: Harsin-White.

Next year and especially 2013, a lot less bark and leaves, a lot more (hopefully) stocked fridge, pantry and kitchen complete with a DGB (pray) and sundry options in the lazy Susan.

Manny D’s D will rival any unit in the country in 2012, let alone in 2013. Aggy will be grateful to not see this Texas defense again for awhile (but Bama and LSU will give aggy fond reminders).

A great, ugly, oh so satisfying, gut-check win this staff and team can build on next week and for the foreseeable.

Hook’em.

There is also an awesome thread about “losing halftime” which I cannot even begin to understand.

At the Post-Mizzou press comference, when Mack’s late punts down two scores were questioned, he basically said he thought there was a better chance of Ut getting a muffed punt and switching the field then getting the 4th down and continuing to drive for the score. So at first I thought Mack was instructing short high punts to try to get the muff in traffic - and we got one (also, think 2 years ago when A&M short punt bounced off of out blockers leg as Shipley flailed for it). But when we were up the short punts continued so, no, it was just the limitation ofTucker’s leg . Do we avoid the Rugby punts when pinned deep? I guess that makes sense

If that’s all Tucker has with a traditional punt, I have to grade on the curve given the lack of returns as mentioned above.

Nobis,

I remember you expressing the concern, and I seconded it at the time. It’s a problem. We went with Poehlmann to cover the deficit for a time, but he’s obviously limited as a threat in the passing game. What Harsin wants to do is heavily dependent on TE play.

Toadvine,

Are you serious? The ref’s phone work number and address? That’s disturbing. Glad to be shed of these half-wits.

Oh yeah. These people are morons.

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1982257&forum_id=5

TexAgs has been the gift that keeps on giving the whole season. Watching the old-timers vs the more rationally observant chew on each other is gold every time.

There’s an honest to God debate going on too about the role/visibility of the Corps clowns and whether it hurts marketing/recruiting. Just absolutely hilarious shit with pics! Check it out if you have time.

Not sure how to analyze our offense. Would the young QBs be better if they had more time? Would the offensive line be better if the other team could not stack the box? What we do know is, outside of young Shipley, this is the least effective group of pass catching receivers in a long time. Just a little help from them would make all the difference for everyone else.
But at this moment I don’t really care.

Agree with grades more or less entirely, thanks for the writeup.

On another note, as irritated as I was by the “Thanks for all the memories” stuff during the half, I’m much happier about it now. Propitious combination of taking the high road, their “saw ’em off” bs in response, and the win.

TexanNick - do you have a link to that? Gotta see it.

The losing halftime thread is a perfect summation of the Aggie mentality. Do yourself a favor and spend some time at that marvelous site this morning.

May a new era of moral victories be more kind than the last one.

TV - Read the TexAgs halftime thread with 2nd cup o’ joe this morning. Stared in disbelief at a few of the comments. Delusional? Not all, thank goodness.

http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1981759&forum_id=5

Glad you mentioned CJ on those short yardage plays. It seemed as if he got the ball, stopped for a moment, asked “ok, is everybody on my back? Good, then let’s go now.” I thought he was stopped each time just to watch the pile of bodies slowly lurch forward for first downs.

Too harsh on the punting. We actually netted more per punt than A&M did.

You’re obviously going to respond, “But that’s only because Quandre returned it so deep!”

And you’d be right. But you’d be ignoring that A&M has a returner every bit as dangerous as Quandre, if track record is anything to go by. Dustin Harris came into the game AVERAGING more than 20 yards per return. That’s an insane number for a punt returner. Instead of them chasing Quandre, that could have been us chasing Harris deep into our red zone.

Tx Stampede beat me to it. Check the main forums, you’ll be glad you did.

In a final act of Aggy, they tried to be shrewd like Bob Stoops.
They have not only stepped in it, but have a tradition of “oops”.

I will not miss the cadets, I will not miss the rings.
I will not miss their overalls or their yell leader things.

I will not miss dog mascot, the bonfire, or all that annoying Aggie tradition.
It is all over now, as they spin their towels into lonely lonely perdition.

I will not miss the “TU”, the “sips”, or the prideful Farmer Fights.
I will miss the poor Aggies losing………on cool Thanksgiving nights.

It’s such a shame, that they will have to change their song.
Because of their own Aggy doing……Varsity’s horns are now forever long.

The Defense deserves all the gameball awards for this game. Once again, they held a legit offense well under their pts and yds averages. And they not only won TO margin, but managed a defensive score. Diaz adjusted well after the opening drive. The last Aggie drive I attribute to wear down. After all those 3-and-outs, the D was eventually going to give up a cheap one.

Case is terribly inconsistent, but Harsin is not doing him any favors. The whole sideline sequence with Ash spoke volumes about what is going on at QB. It wouldn’t surprise me if Harsin only has ~25% of his offense installed …. neither McCoy or Ash appear to truly grasp it.

WR’s are a hot mess right now. Davis looks like Malcolm Williams 2.0. Shipley is operating at 75% or less. Goodwin continues to try to outrun defenders instead of just following his blockers. I can’t for the life of me figure out why Onyegbule doesn’t get more touches. And Darius White again a no-show …. amazing. I hope Wyatt gets a chance to overhaul this group and prove his chops.

Thought the OL actually had a reasonable game, considering the circumstances. By the 4th qtr, I thought it looked like they had started to impose their will …great experience for a young line to come into a hostile environment and start dominating people.

Extremely gratified with the win, even though it was about as ugly as it gets. Had to sit through an entire half of Aggie in-laws and friends talking trash … perfect send-off. Can’t say enough good things about the D. The offense is what it is … hoping that the OL gets its groove back like KU/TT against BU.

It’s not really something that shows up in box scores, but Case is obviously much more comfortable in the shotgun/pistol than under center; the problem with that is that it deprives the offense of its most effective base play, the Power O from under center.

Oh and Mike Davis’ regression is sad and scary.

You’re wrong on Case. He deserves more credit than you give..

1. The oline was putrid – did you see the back of Case’s jersey?
2. The WR dropped so many catchable passes.
3. Big time stage, incredible pressure
4. first start since UCLA
5. Big play when it mattered most
6. No turnovers
7. Managed game

A-
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I agree with you BRD, although I’d probably give Case a B instead of an A-. While Tannehill was a senior QB with years of experience, really good receiving threats and the big home field advantage, he threw 3 picks while skinny-legs, inexperienced Case didn’t make dumb mistakes or throw any picks last night. His seemingly mediocre performance masks the obvious truth that he didn’t shrink on the the big stage when the Horns had continually awful field position and Aggie defense was playing tough. The Aggie D contained him all night long except on the last drive when it mattered the most. I think Case deserves good marks for not wilting under the intense pressure and hanging in there to the very end, when he made a game winning scramble to put Tucker in position to seal it. Good players just find a way to win.

I think Ash had his bell rung or was poked in the eye or something. He was clearly signaling for Case to go in as he headed off the field.

You sips whipped our ass! Congratulations

As I in my earlier posts, I hoped you would start Ash, which meant 2 turnovers at least, you did not.

I think you coaching staff beat us by starting McCoy and eliminating those turnovers. By the way, nice run McCoy. We need a new coach.

I think Ash got dinged on the play before he went to the sideline looking confused. It looked like he was trying to tap out and no one knew it. It did look strange.

It looked to me like Davis is playing scared. He could not catch a ball because he was too busy looking to see, not where to run but how to duck. I think he has played like that most of the season. The real trick to being a good receiver is playing fearless, if you dont have fear you can concentrate on catching the ball. Texas needs to look for those fearless kids when recruiting.

Great job, Toad, way to step up.

Walters’ had a point but his reaction was way out of line. All the movement and audibles in the noisy stadium led to a bunch of penalties and some wasted timeouts. The Texas OL did not impress me.

The offense performed terribly and that reflects on the OC. 10 penalties, perpetual confusion, and 237 yards total offense.

The college game is just too fast for Ash. He was confused because his mind was boggled like happens to him during plays. I like him but he is no quarterback.

Great win, but if anyone legitimately thinks Case McCoy is the future of this program then they are delusional. I can’t remember a more limited quarterback than him. He literally can not throw the ball more than 15 yards down the field. He is terrible. Don’t know if Ash is the future, but McCoy certainly isn’t. Quit this nonsense about managing the game, he didn’t manage the game the coaches took the game away from him. They weren’t going to let him lose that game.

You can’t manage the game if you aren’t even given that option.

These past two seasons makes me appreciate how lucky we were in regards to quarterback play for the past decade. We had Colt and VY for 7 years. We had Mock, Simms and Applewhite for 5 years. Since Mack came to UT we have had above average to great quarterback until last year. It’s incredible the run we had with all these quarterbacks.

It’s amazing, yet Saban/Miles are going to win their second national championship with either Jordan Jefferson/Jarret Lee or AJ McCarron. They previously won one with McElroy and Matt Flynn. Saban won another with freaking Matt Mauck at quarterback.

Mack was only able to get one having Young, McCoy and Simms start for the past 10 years.

55f100tx, that is the impression I got - Ash needed to come out for some reason, but the coaches on the sideline couldn’t hear or understand what he was trying to tell them. Mass confusion ensued.

Your handle is tricky to type, by the way.

Sean,

“Don’t know if Ash is the future, but McCoy certainly isn’t. "

Ash makes turnovers and the lack of qb turnovers is why we won. Ash has always been a turnover machine. Get a clue, he certainly is the odd man out and the one that will not be our quarterback. I have seen hundreds of excuses for him but they does not change reality.

do not

It is time people on here get behind McCoy for at least this year. He is who we are going with regardless of his physical limitations. Brewer, more than likely, gets the nod next year. Cheer for Case because you can be assured he is our starter.

Ash may have all the physical upside in the world, but what’s between the ears matters in this game. It doesn’t really matter what his skillset is if he averages 2+ turnovers per game. Maybe Brewer will be further along next year, but Case has earned the start. Use Ash situationally if you want, but for God’s sake, how many times do we have to hear that winning the turnover battle wins games?

you grade like a pussy. ol, qb, wr were D+ at best. lucky ass mf’s to win this game. defense won this game. harsin’s game plan was awlful.

Sean, I might disagree lumping Matt Flynn in with the rest. I watched nearly every high school snap he took. The fact that he he was a back-up at LSU for most of his time there is more a fact of the other guy being a bit more dynamic and coaching choice. When Matt played he won.

From LSU stats site:

2007 BCS National Championship Game Offensive MVP
2007 SEC Offensive Player of the Week (Oct. 20 vs. Auburn)
2005 Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl Game Offensive MVP

FLYNN IN THE LSU RECORD BOOKS
t1st in single-game TD passes (4 vs. Ohio State, 2007)
2nd in season pass attempts (359 in 2007)
4th in season TD passes (21 in 2007)
5th in season completions (202 in 2007)
7th in season passing yards (2,407 in 2007)
T6th in career TD passes (31)
9th in career completion percentage (56.1)

CAREER
Capped LSU career by leading the Tigers to the 2007 BCS National Championship with a 38-24 win over Ohio State … Finished career with a 12-2 mark as LSU’s starting quarterback, which included an 11-2 record as a senior in 2007 … Despite serving as LSU’s quarterback for one season, still managed to throw for 3,096 yards and 31 TDs … The 31 career TDs ties for the sixth-highest total in LSU history … Also ranks ninth in career completion percentage at 56.1 percent … Finished career with 235 completions on 437 attempts and just 14 interceptions … Patiently waited his turn to become LSU’s starting quarterback, playing behind a pair of NFL draft picks in Matt Mauck and JaMarcus Russell … In just one season as a starter, has still managed to throw for 2,922 yards and 27 touchdowns … The 27 TDs rank as the ninth-highest total in school history … Graduated in December of 2007 with a degree in general studies.

MUST READ THIS

I know this probably isn’t the best place to post this, but y’all have got to read this new Yahoo Sports article on Colt by Mike Silver. Goes into more detail about what Colt went through last year. What an AMAZING representative for Texas.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=Au2sBQ8bharbHW.QyHVSGMc5nYcB?slug=ms-silvercolt_mccoy_browns_brian_daboll_112411

And back to this thread: SO HAPPY about the win. So excited about out D. Hope Manny stays a few more years. You got to think he has opened more eyes to his coaching ability over the last few weeks. Or so I was told by (former poster) ChrisApplewhite last night.

Sean, your opinion. Case has started 4 games and the team won all but Oklahoma. When you don’t have receiver’s or a experienced OL. Makes it hard on QB evaluation. Harsin’s problem with Case is his add libbing, Remember Case getting pulled after the deep sideline pass to Shipley during a game earlier this season? That was a sand lot play. he told little Ship to go before the play, it worked but Harsin pulled him, Case got pissed. Harsin is a control freak and wants the plays run as designed come hell or high water. That’s great when you have all the pieces. We don’t have all the pieces in place yet. Case played to win in that final drive. its obvious Case wants to win come hell, Harsin or high water. I will bet he is the starter at the beginning of next season.

There are two things Case did well. No turnovers and one scramble.

Our secondary flat-out won the game for us. 3 INTs, Diggs’ return; see Tannyhill’s stat line.

MikeyD: Gotta agree with you re: getting behind Case for the final 2 games. I’m not a huge Case fan as far as quarterbacking goes because I think he is truly bad at it (see back foot throws on every pass and pocket presence of Stevie Wonder). He’s not a long term solution but we might a well stop whining about that fact and enjoy the wins that he delivers. Don’t think ash is worth much either considering the mindfuckedness. Hopefully brewer can learn quickly

Samsonite

We have to get behind Case. I could not agree more about the “pocket presence of Stevie Wonder” or the “mindfuckness” of Ash. I think the true Texas fans line up behind Case for last 2 and root for Brewer to play like he should given his abilities.

This team with a quarterback that not only does not turn it over but actually makes plays will be great!

I think maybe Ash will get more playing time against Baylor because there is no better match-up for him. They are terrible against the run and running qbs. McCoy has proven the best of these two but is no world beater . I believe the Ash experiment, for the most part, is history.

A true Texas fan is behind whoever is in the game.

Best news of all is that we have one of the best quarterbacks in the nation coming here next year and we have many years of great football coming. Connor is the type guy that carries teams to championships.

Interesting Mack said to Case before he stepped on the field for the final drive. Every Qb has his defining moment, this one is yours.

Exactly, we should support whoever is out there whether it’s Gilbert, Case or Ash. Unfortunately, none of them can really play at the level we need, but we should still support them. Unfortunately most of our fans pick one they think is better and only support that one. None of them are better, they are just shades of worse. Support whoever is in there and just know that they aren’t really capable of much. That is not their fault, it is the fault of our inept coaching staff in recruiting the last 5 years. Neither should be playing for Texas, but they are all we got and we have no choice but to support them fully.

Case impressed me for three reasons - he didn’t turn the ball over; he didn’t freak out, and he engineered a drive for the winning score in the last minute and three-quarters. I wonder if Major was having flashbacks to his first win over the Ags in ‘98. The starting job ought to be Case’s until he does something to cause him to lose it. Ash might want to think about changing sports and/or schools.

We beat the Aggies and Case led the drive. Way to go Case!

I am so proud of this team.

I only hope everyone will get off of Harsin. He is playing with the cards he was dealt. The quarterback he recruited arrives next year. Until we see what his guy can do, and that is plenty if you have watched film, don’t get on Harsin. I would compare working with these two to that of swimming with 25 lb weight tied to your body, you are limited.

Hookem’

The play where Ash came in for Case, and then totally brainshat himself apparently not having a clue what the play-call was and wound up costing a T-O… very, very troubling indeed. The “first year” excuse for both of them no longer holds water, and while it’s clear that the HarsinWhite Offensive System is, if not complex, highly nuanced, by the eleventh game of the season our signal-callers surely ought to have gotten a better handle on it, ya think? If we can get Case to stand in the pocket and make one more read before being overcome with Happy Feet, we may be able to crank up the scoreboard a bit. And that’s a Good Thing, because we’re going to need at least as much scoring against Baylor as we had against agy, if not considerably more.

On the other hand, watching CoJo turn the Wild Rhino into an exercise in staggering ten to fifteen feet while carrying a good half-ton of agy with him was good to see, and something I would consider running four times in a row upon reaching the First and Goal goal. In that series, I would love to see it run in “hurry-up” tempo to keep the D from settling down.

Two more games left, and I’m still waiting for the TD pass to Pöhlmann. Hell, the way every TE other than Irby looks trying to receive, we might as well let CoJo throw to him out of the Rhino…

“I also noticed that after the game he sought out Tannyhill and spent quite a bit of time talking to him — Tannyhill was unconsolable, but I thought it was a classy gesture.”

Tannyhiull will have that hot fiancee to console him

Texas Long, We need Davis to catch the ball. he had one catch and several hit his hands.

Some of the funnier posts from the “We lost the half time too!” thread on TexAgs, for those with better things to do with your time than read the entire thread:

Reporting it (sawing off the horns, as if we give a spit) isn’t what made us look bad. Them showing more class is what made us look bad.

Horns took the high road. They did form a giant ass longhorn on our field and wiggle their ass off in some kind of ****ed up homo-band dance thing, but the Thanks aTm thing was classy

The tu band owes us an apology for playing 2 queen songs for a halftime show (well, you all are always saying we’re queens so what did you expect?)

For all you idiots, nobody wins a ****ing halftime. Its a football game, only the game matters and we lost. Our band marches good, but our football sucks. (Give this guy credit, he knows an idiot when he sees one and he knows bad football when he sees it)

You know things are bad when a band thread gets this much attention. Pathetic.

Everything associated with Texas A&M football, including the band, has become the laughingstock of college football. What an embarrassment. (this guy has got it figured out)

After reading all the leaking vaginas on this thread, I’m getting a clear picture of part of why we suck so bad. When did these asshats stop being competitive. THe mediocrity and love fest should have never happened.

F—- Texas and their homo erotic band and f—- you *****bags that think it’s cute. Go play grabass somewhere else. But please don’t turn my school into some pc touchy feely craphole like the one in Austin. (don’t worry Butch, ain’t gonna happen)

This move is nothing new in tu’s media playbook. They strengthen their image and weaken ours with every outward move they make, and it seems to me they do it with a lot of thought. (as opposed to doing things with little fore thought at all, like some schools?)

They do it so often, even Aggies begin to buy into it…Probably the same Aggies that think ACORN or other liberal groups do all their work out of the kindness of their heart rather than some devious underlying plan. Yep, we have a devious underlying plan alright … I think.

Anybody know if we’re gonna get that Humidor report from Jesus as promised?

case is the qb for the rest of this season because he’s the qb that’s demonstrated the ability to take care of the football. we rely on defense, running, and hope for the occasional big play on offense and can’t afford to give up points or field position with turnovers.

the idea that ash’s career is somehow over is just ridiculous. he’s a young qb and he’s played like a young qb. he needs obvious improvements in his game if he wants to be what we look for in a starter at texas. and he has a ton of time to get there and should improve a lot with bowl practice and an offseason after his first year of college experience. case is the answer for now, but everyone who comes in at qb in the spring is going to be given a chance to earn the starting job.

So, is the game tonight? Where is Scipio’s A&M D write up?

Go Horns! Also a ‘Whoop!’ to Aggie Rick!

i can’t believe some of you are giving case an A of any sort. if wasn’t for one Raggedy Andy scramble and a Tucker field goal you would all be giving him an F for losing that game. it was a pitiful performance and one of the worst i have seen by a texas QB. we currently have ZERO passing game because he simply can’t even throw the ball, we have about four WR’s that pass better than our starting QB. he hasn’t been picked off not because he is really accurate and a great decision maker but rather because he is lucky, doesn’t throw the ball further than 15 yards downfield and isn’t accurate enough for anyone to make a play on it…

timmy

Maybe he will be able to play but it is a real long shot. That would get him comeback player of the decade.

miles

Might as well root for Case, he is the best we have and our starter.

to further bolster my arguement, here are some actual game thread quotes from this site during the game.

Self sack by McCoy, without going down. A&M looks MUCH more fired up, as usual.

why does Case go schizo the second a defensive player gets within 3 yards of him?

Case lucky he didnt get his pick cherry popped there.

0-2 to wide open Receivers.

Case getting all these series stinks of Mack’s meddling.

Case really has zero, i mean negative pocket presence.

This quarterback play is a joke.

One great thing about McCoy’s arm, is that it’s so bad that the defender’s underestimate just how short it’s going to be, and fail to get INTs

McCoy noodle arms it.

No arm… absolutely no arm

McCoy does not have a very good arm.

They both suck, but Case could not have played for my high school team. He sucks absolute shit and has no business on anything but maybe a crappy DIII roster.

We may punt 20 times tonight. Case can’t throw for shit.

this is the buy you’re giving an “A”?

Miles——

You must be kidding. You have obviously missed Mr. turn over. He has lost us games. Multiple games, dude.

a true freshman qb playing poorly and then improving and playing at an acceptable level would make him the comeback player of the decade?

we could use a little less hyperbole and more realism here.

I’ve seen nobody giving an A, just best we have. I think you need to wait till we have a choice.

tiimy—-

glad to hear you realized you are a dreamer.

yes with his td int ratio. I think that would qualify.

yeah, it’s crazy to think that most players don’t peak during their true freshman season. i must be on something good.

the reality of the situation is that the texas qb situation is almost definitely going to be better next year. case and ash both saw their first real college football action this season. with bowl practice and the full offseason, both guys are likely going to get better. how much better? no way to know.

“You must be kidding. You have obviously missed Mr. turn over. He has lost us games. Multiple games, dude.”

im talking about case mccoy and his grade of A

“I’ve seen nobody giving an A, just best we have. I think you need to wait till we have a choice.”
- “He didn’t turn the ball over and his "splosive" run in crunch time wins us the game. I got to give him an A.”
“I guess it depends on your curve… Are we grading McCoy against what he is capable of? (he gets an A) "

tiimmy

I think it will be better next year without a doubt. Brewer is far superior to both imo. For now, I am a Case fan as he is our starter.

Why are you down on Case? He just won us a game! No he is far from perfect but the only qb on the roster that can handle the game at this time.

i’m not down on case(in relation to the qb situation).

he’s the guy for the rest of the year because he isn’t turning the ball over. neither guy has shown the ability to do anything good consistently so protecting the ball is most important.

no idea who the guy is after this season, but i don’t expect case to have any leg up on other guys going into it.

I agree. Lets just root for our team. The personalities should not matter.

I think the ags should fire sherman and hire the dude from iowa st. I think he would be an awesome fit with the ags. i hate atm but their stadium rocks with passion. I think the iowa st. head coach would feed off that and translate it to the team. i’ve never seen a ut home game with that much enthusiasm by our fans.

Why fight the Guru will tell the future. Quarterback from far away will start and lead the Horns to multiple victories but many will still be mad because their favorite does not get fair chance.

I hear the “fans at DKR suck” argument from so many people. The atmosphere in the stadium sucks…it’s exactly the opposite of what a crowd needs to get fired up. It’s hard to get into the game when every time they stop play, there is some unrelated BS ad or something on godzillatron. That and the damn “I’ve got my game on” Bevo montage they’ve been showing at every game forever. You can just feel the intensity coming out of the crowd when they put crap like that on the screen. Another issue is those bastards who spend their entire game on their smartphones. They definitely need to put a PSA together about that…which would be a good use of godzillatron real estate, instead of Mack jawing about community service. But the crowd intensity at DKR is pretty fixable with some changes in the game production, IMO.

Miles

Case gives us the best chance to win now. It wasn’t pretty last night, but he did get the job done last night. Didn’t he also lead the game winning drive against BYU? We may have even beat K State if Case had been allocated more than 20 percent of the practice reps every week since the OU game. I’m not saying Case will end up setting records for us, but he is the best looking QB we have.

What is this “support” thing people keep talking about? It reminds me of intercessory prayer.

The idea seems to be that Case has psychic powers on a scale with Professor X, and by launching his mind into the astral plane, where he polls the fanbase, Case becomes aware that many fans question his capabilities. He then becomes disheartened, plays worse, and this is an outcome that should be avoided.

I want Texas to win. I think it’s better, in a long-term sense, to invest time and snaps in more promising QBs than less promising QBs. I’m with Miles that Case is less promising.

Like everyone else, I’d like to see Connor Brewer show up and defy all logic, common sense, and precedent by instantly adjusting to the vastly greater speed and complexity of college defenses. I just don’t expect it to happen.

What I do expect to happen is a significant general improvement in WRs. Getting the best of them will demand a QB with all the throws. And Case isn’t gonna be that guy, no matter how much “support” he gets.

I agree with txgeotech. Dkr atmosphere exacerbates distracted entitled clipper cooperesque fan base. I wish img would invest some effort in engaging the crowd in the game. Maybe it comes off as unseemly to the ‘cigars’, but I wish we could get a 10th of the intensity of Kyle field. Obviously, it must be executed intelligently (longhorn Minotaur 2x fist pumping is laughable). I was at the kstate game and found it aggravating the crowd only stood and cheered on defensive 3rd downs. The only thing that got it rocking was the bogus punt interference call.
Maybe I should only sit in the student section from here on out. My son will have to grow up quick what with the whiskey, language, and curriculars. He’ll be approx 8 mos old at he opening game.
Hook em

I thought the punting was intentional use of hang time and shorter kicks, as well as a vote of confidence in the D, to make sure the Ags couldn’t get a big return.

I’ll chime in on the Case thing. I didn’t even see the game, but I’ve seen the box score and read the play by play.
Without some defensive and special teams heroics, Case gets a D. He didn’t turn it over, but he wouldn’t have been in position to make a game winning play late.
As it was, I give him a C+. He was not effective moving the ball, but he managed the game in the context of the defensive heroics and made the game winning play. C+ is a solid grade that should not be discounted. In this offense as it is right now, not being a net minus is a positive, and Case was an actual positive on balance.

Case needs to finish out the year, let Ash’s confidence recover - after all, the kid should have been redshirting this year. Next year is open competition again. In a perfect world, both McCoy and Ash will be improved and will have greatly benefited from this year.

But make no mistake about it, Case is not good. He is less bad right now than Ash, but good lord he is awful. We had no business winning that game with the way Case played. The defense gets all the props… not sure that I can see any better than a C for anyone on the offense besides Cody and Shipley.

Since we’re giving out grades the Desert Fox would cheerily assign an A+ to Ryan Tannehill’s fiancee, who was shown at least twice during the game and is a true fox.

Apparently she’s a model too … Lauren Ufer, what a beautiful lady.

http://www.page713.com/Portfolio/Fashion-Women/Lauren-Ufer

Perfect way to win that game, of all games. Not just the ending — the trick, the pick 7, overcoming turn-overs, the most maligned kid in the program right now growing up since an almost unforgivable mistake and coming through in the clutch, the ball through the uprights with 0 on the clock.

A short story of a game. An O’Conner/Joyce short story of a game. Classic.

Thanks, Toad. Awesome that our post-game correspondent lives in Switzerland or someplace ridiculous. What UT site can offer that?!

Reading that Aggie Closing Thread after knowing the outcome was very satisfying.

Every offensive position sucked last night and the reasoning is circuitous. QB can’t throw if he doesn’t have time. Receivers can’t catch if the QB sucks, etc…. We have so much work to do on that side of the ball and I heartily welcome bowl practices. Those practices as we guide towards spring ball are the best part about 2011 - other than the defense clicking.

If we get the same output from next year’s freshmen that we got this year, we’re on our way regardless of QB play. Speaking of which, those of you who think Brewer is the answer next year are off your rocker.

Looking forward to the Baylor game to see what this defense is really about.

Speaking of which, those of you who think Brewer is the answer next year are off your rocker.

Truth.

It has occured to me that maybe the plan would be to let McAsh sail a ship that is considerably more stable with an influx of talent, let Overstreet run the Wildcat (and actually have a passing threat out of it) and redshirt Brewer.

At the time when Ash was so “confused”, he was tapping out. The OC’s did not have time to get another package in, so Major and Case were telling him to go down for an injury time out. Ash, just having his bell rung (watch him come out of the pile on the play before) had no idea what they were telling him. But watch the body language of Case and Major. Case almost lay himself down to demonstrate.
A bit comical, except for the fact it cost a timeout.

Re-watching Q3 is high entertainment. Great plays notwithstanding, I just caught a glimpse of liucci on the sideline looking like someone shanghaied his cheetos.

I thought the punting was intentional use of hang time and shorter kicks

Hang time, yes; shorter kicks, not so much. Most of the football world seems to get hang time without sacrificing distance, so I still believe that part’s just on the punter himself. We have a scholarship kicker, a second year player, whose HS highlight films showed him booming kick after kick through the end zone (ten yards closer than in college, but that still translates as “into the end zone”), and floating huge sky-high punts far down the field. He’s been here one game short of two seasons now and so far as I can discover, has not seen the field except from the bench. We also have a walkon, I believe a freshman. Are they really that bad? What’re we gonna do next year if they are?

Speaking of walkons, given the lack of sizeable WRs and the lack of hands in general, how come McNamara (?) hasn’t been getting any looks - bad practices? bad attitude? He looked pretty good in the springer, I seem to recall.

It wasn’t pretty, but it was a W, and that’s all most folks remember.

srr50,

those are my thoughts exactly. hopefully with another year of experience and a better arsenal of skill players, we can rely on either Case or Ash (or some combo role) to provide us with at least stability next year. i am cautiously optimistic that with the extra practice time, an improved line, and another hoss in the backfield, what we need out of our QB will be more manageable. if brewer does not redshirt, I fear we will be having these same discussions again next year with yet another young QB ruined by being thrown to the wolves too early.

The dkr stadium is oppressive, I see no reason to go back any more. No breeze, too many ads, jock rock, and most of the seats suck. I give the stadium experience a resounding F.

But that game last night was spectacular. A plus for the whole Texas team.

The good news about Baylor is that their rushing D is poor. They are ranked 108 out of 120 div 1 teams in rushing D. They are not as bad as KU (ranked 118) or Tech (119) but pretty close. You would think the horns ought to be able to run on Baylor. Baylor gives up the same yards per rush as Tech (5.37). If the horns can run reliably on Baylor, that will also make the pass blocking and passing attack work much better.

Baylor will be the last regular season game. An injury at QB is less worrisome than earlier in the season and Baylor will be easier to run on than most opponents. Will Ash be used more as a running QB vs Baylor? Forcing the D to account for the QB as a runner makes it that much more difficult for them to defend the run.

If the horns beat Baylor, that would be an 8-4 record.

RGIII may well be playing for the Heisman trophy against us.

There really isn’t much reason to throw a screen pass to Mike Davis. He catches OK but is unlikely to get much yac and poses greater than normal risk of getting stripped of the ball after the catch. There isn’t much reason to throw a screen to Ship until his knee recovers.

When the horns are mostly running (as they will vs Baylor), there is no need to play more than one conventional WR on most playa. Better to have one WR who can jet sweep (such as Goodwin). Any other WRs can be TE types or running backs who can contribute more as blockers and who can catch a pass in traffic and absorb a hard hit with less likelihood of fumbling or alligator arming the pass.

I predict that Ash plays more snaps vs Baylor than Case because the horns’ offense is going to be much more running oriented (like the Tech and KU games) than in the three most recent games vs teams with good run defenses (i.e. Mizzou, KSU, and ag). The horns will score efficiently vs Baylor and hang onto the ball, reducing the stress on the horns’ defense.

Zeithorn said:
“RGIII may well be playing for the Heisman trophy against us.”

That probably works to the advantage of Texas. Putting extra stress on people who are already very motivated tends to hurt performance of complex motor skills. RG3 is probably not going to have one of his better days vs the horns.

Lets hope so. Ricky was playing for the Heisman against Aggy. Hope RGIII doesn’t have that kinda game and I agree I don’t think he will.

Before people freak out too much about RG III, refer to what Miss St did against Cam Newton and Auburn last year.

Unfortunately, our O and the 2010 Bulldog O are eerily similar, so I’m not sure how much Diaz witchery might ultimately help.

Passing requires much, much, much more touch and skill than running does. RG3 is also facing a very good defense.

When Vince was going for the Heisman vs ag, he had one of his worst games.

Texas matches up well vs Baylor.

Texas has an excellent defense and is going to make Baylor work for its points. Texas will hit RG3 more than he is accustomed to getting hit. That seems to be an effective way to reduce his efficiency.

Texas is going to run efficiently vs Baylor’s defense. That will make a huge difference to the horns’ offense.

There will be more Texas fans than Baylor fans so it won’t even feel much like a road game, which will help the younger horn players calm down.

Texas has two more days to heal and to prepare for this game than Baylor.

It is more likely than not that Texas wins this game.

Let’s face it, both our QBs are not very good. Handing McCoy a B or better is awarding not playing badly. It is not grading based on positive production. McCoy QB’ed six drives to start the game, the first five of which were three and outs. We had one first down on the sixth drive and promptly punted. Granted McCoy didn’t have too much help, but that is not A or B quarterbacking, particularly when an ATM DB pulled a Gideon and dropped a McCoy pass that landed in his hands – an easy interception and likely TD. Credit McCoy for his scramble, but let’s not compare him to Colt. He is not as athletic, is much slower and has a much weaker arm.

I’m not sure that it’s reasonable to rag on Ash too badly for his efforts against Missouri and KSU. It took several games for Harsin to fashion this roster into something which Mack Brown and Greg Davis did only once, 1998, that is create a running game juggernaut which was not led by a QB phenom. Ash was "managing" that offense just fine until it went up in smoke with injuries to Brown, Bergeron, Shipley and Whittaker. He was then, in essence, forced to run a new offense without the talent. McCoy would have done no better. Absent those injuries, McCoy would not be part of the conversation and Ash would be the latest heroic Texas QB.
The best thing Harsin could do is to bring in a solid, not necessarily spectacular JC QB or find a clone of Whittaker to run the wildcat, because by the looks of things today, neither Ash nor McCoy can cut it. Every team in the conference and other Texas teams outside the conference such as UH and TCU, have better QBs.

As for the WRs and TEs, aside from Shipley and Goodwin, the WR corps is weak and it is being cleaned out. Unfortunately, including walk-ons, Texas has NINE TEs and only Irby is a senior. Harsin needs to clean out half of them and sign some real talent. This mediocre group is a testament to the inability of Bruce Chambers to identify talent or to coach, or both. He needs to go ASAP.

As for Mason Walter ragging on McCoy, it might not have been the politic thing to do and I am sure Mack Brown will require that Walter deliver a handwritten apology, but I don’t have a problem with it. The OL at Texas has lacked fire for several years. It’s about time someone demanded a higher standard effort. The sooner the program nourishes hardass leadership, the better.

Tucker gets an A for me. Sure, 45 yards per punt would have nice, but the kid is not a punter by background and he has been overworked because the other punters and kickers have not panned out. Plus I love his post-game comment:

“They played their hearts out tonight,” Tucker said about the Aggies. “But sending them off to the SEC with a sour taste in their mouth feels pretty good.”

I am so fucking hugely gruntled that we fought through the injuries and did enough to send off agy into its new role, giving it a foretaste of that role: slump-busters.

We have reached the record many of us were expecting, pre-season: guaranteed 7-5 or better. Without the too-often mentioned injuries, I think we’re at least one if not two better, but… it is what it is, and it isn’t all that bad, considering all the other things we’ve been pointing out to one another.

I’m having a hard time understanding the D in punting. The punt coverage was outstanding. The fumble recovery (and subsequent trickery) was a key to this game, not sure if we score at all in that first half without it. That crucial turnover alone should bump it up a little bit. Out of 11 punts only 2 were even returned, and only one of those for any real yards.

Hey Shuttlesworth! Friday wanes. Waiting for that Cigar report that needed to wait until after the A&M game. Put forth you tease! :)

Yeah Tipsy, waking up at 2 AM and watching the game meant I went to work on about 2 hours sleep. But I had plenty of early morning time to coast on the fumes of victory.

On this other stuff — of course you support whoever is playing QB. Case did enough, just barely, to show that he’s the better option right now. I expect him to start against Baylor. That said, I thought a C+ was a pretty fair mark for him. Fact of the matter is, Jaxon Shipley looks like the best QB we have . . . I suspect both of Ash and Case would be a lot more comfortable, and probably look better, in a pure spread offense. Same could be said for Gilbert, who would probably smoke both of them in a spread. We do not have a QB who looks comfortable taking snaps under center and then looking up.

The offense was awful and, like TG said, it’s almost impossible to perfectly allocate blame between QBs, WRs, TEs, etc.

That said, there is no way we win that game with last year’s coaching staff. The Irby touchdown was pure coaching magic. That play, alone, justifies an A for the offensive staff. And if Davis doesn’t fall then that’s probably 14 points conjured out of thin air. That’s something, there.

Methinks Jesus is allowing the post-aggie-buttfucking glow to fade a bit before dropping his report.

But having teased us, it’s about time to put out.

Can Jaxon just throw it to himself each play?

All Points Bulletin,

Humidor Report that Shuttlesworth said he would delay until Friday (yesterday) because the subject matter (Mack Brown’s status?) would have diverted our attention away from the game on Thursday???

JS, where are you man?

The natives are getting restless.

Agree with Tipsy we need to redshirt Brewer, need to get back to building some quality depth but my concern is Harsin will want to play him if he thinks he can produce, will be interesting.

On another note, what is a bowl situation with win or loss against Baylor?

Hook’em

Here’s a hint when waiting on a Humidor or Asset post from JS: check the ’cosm Twitter feed. JS tweeted this last night:

“Not sure on the Humidor post fellas. Waiting on a phone call and trying to figure out how much I should post.”

No disrespect to Jesus, or any of the barkers, who do really good work, but if he’s got information, I’d prefer to be given it in full (with obvious exceptions like redacted plays) or not be told about it all together. There’s something child-like in sitting here waiting to be fed my scraps, while the adults in the room decide whether we’ve earned our dessert.

Now, if the information that Jesus had has changed, or may be changing, that’s one thing. But tell us that at least. Again, thanks for all that you guys do, it’s really appreciated.

I saw that tweet, too hopeful…nothing like getting the fan base riled up with some juicy red meat and then throwing out a cold poptart!

The Cigar is a little old, think he confused Mack Brown with Mike Sherman

Typsie,

Well that is what you told me about Cochran last year. I do think Brewer will be the answer. i love your reports but will put my talent evaluation against all your resources any day.

You and Jesus are really great writers, just do not get carried away thinking you are great evaluators of talent.

Tipsy,

While i mean no disrespect, I think you should afford others respect, also. I love this site and think it is the best on the net.

If the JS post is about Mack resigning, it still seems like it would be better to wait until after the regular season is over. Why distract the players from preparing for Baylor? If the horns beat Baylor and win their bowl game, their final record will be 9 and 4 (i.e better than expected). I doubt that many will be calling for Mack’s scalp if he finishes 9-4.

Kafka,

I don’t disagree with your point, but that would have been true when the report was teased, right?

Tipsy,

i am going to leave it with this. I want your honest opinion.

Going by what you have seen from McCoy and Ash, do you really think Texas can be a power with either of them as our starter?

If you think so fine..just wanted to know.

"Not sure on the Humidor post fellas. Waiting on a phone call and trying to figure out how much I should post."

In which case, post that very text in a new thread with a title such as “Let speculation run rampant”, so that we may read material ranging from “We have a new recruit, who is 8’8” tall, weighs 690, has seven legs and nine feet, five arms and eight hands, runs a 3.7 40, and plays quarterback, tight end, and left tackle… simultaneously. He was discovered under the ice in Antasctica in 1947 by Admiral Byrd, and has now liearned enough English to score in the 99.999th percentile on the SAT" to “Mack resigning to fight brain cancer, Les Miles on his way to Austin following MNC Game.”

Turkey tamales, homemade, can’t beat ’em.

I agree with kafka. What’s the point of releasing something that could become a distraction if it only means waiting a week for it? I also agree that JS possibly jumped the gun by bringing it up to begin with, but even if that is so, I don’t demand that he blindly proceed with it if if the timing isn’t right just to placate those who do. Most of us are adults here after all.

Besides, it’ll give us something to look forward to for the period between beating Baylor and the Alamo/Cotton Bowl. My vote is to wait and post it all after the Baylor victory. We will beat Baylor, who is a much more favorable matchup for us than Aggy was, as others have pointed out.

I’m not sure where the “Mack Brown retiring” angle came from. All I remember JS saying is that he has Cigar news that should wait until after the A&M game.

He specifically mentioned a possible succession plan for Mack stepping down and that Chris Peterson is in the short list to replace him. He was cryptic about when and how that might happen but also hinted that there might be reasons for it to be this year. He also stated that he’d have a Humidor report up yesterday that would go into more detail about it.

You can read about it in the first Asset Report he put up.

However, none of that changes my opinion in the post I made above. I trust his judgement and will wait until he believes he has complete and accurate info to post about it that “does no harm” as the credo goes.

Jesus’ secretary Bricktop called, he had this to say: "Listen, you fucking fringe, if I throw a dog a bone, I don’t want to know if it tastes good or not. You stop me again whilst I’m walking, and I’ll cut your fucking Jacobs off. "

Blaine Irby said McCoy “is our guy.”

“That last run by Case was unbelievable,” Irby said. "Everyone did what they had to do to win.

“It’s a confidence thing with Case. He’s our guy. He might be excited in the pocket, but he’s got a cool face on. So we have all the confidence in him.

Well the team at least has 1 qb that can be depended on.

Perhaps one of the conditions for Mack stepping down was losing to the Aggies. Now that we have won the game perhaps the cigars go back in the humidor until more information about the team’s progress is gathered.

Boys, Jesus is jerking your chain to get excitement. Good journalistic move and fun reading. Mack will be here next year but as they say “good headlines sell papers”.

This site is for entertainment and they do it so well. Love it, Jesus!

Until such time as Jesus enlightens us (again) I propose idle speculation about where we go for a bowl game.

I like the idea of playing Nebraska in the Insight Bowl

What say you all?

Speaking of Baylor (again), did any of you order tix through your season ticket application? If so, what section are they in? I’m considering buying from StubHub and would like to have some idea which Sections were alloted to our fanbase so I don’t have to sit with Bible Aggy.

Thanks in advance.

We are going to beat Baylor and end up in the Alamo Bowl, IMO.

What do mean, wait another week for a post from the Humidor. Are you out of your freaking mind? lol. Great job JS.

As the lack od talent and development on the offensive side of the ball becomes more apparent; that is, it is/was so bad that an innovative OC used to far less talent resources cant do shit with it, i become more pissed at Mack.

Further, that two of the bright spots are injured does not salve my irritation. The ovuse of B n B has Mack written all over it. Mi may be wrong, but Mack finally got the running game he wanted but that McWhorter and Davis were constitutionally incabable or unwilling to deliver, Mack ran it and them into the ground

I’ll wait. This is the best UT site there is. I just hope it is up by Dec 6. I’m leaving the country the next day. I hope to be watching the bowl game in Thailand.

ps: I think we will get more use out of Jalen Overstreet next year than we expect.

Jake,

We ordered our tickets thru the foundation and are in Sec U, Row 40.

We went to Waco in 2009 and had a great time, partied accross the street behind the HEB.

Hope to see you there.

Damned ipad.

I’m not sure how overusing Bergeron and Brown caused Fozzy to blow out his knee on the lousy turf at Missouri. Fozzy was the linchpin to the running game. We would have taken both Missouri and KSU with Fozzy alone healthy among our top four skill position players. We would have slaughtered them with all four 100%.

It’s a known that variable reward for bar pressing behavior elicits the highest rate of bar pressing. Probably more than a few hitting it like a rodent in search of the next intrathecal infusion of d-amphetamine.

GESIS H KRIST !!!

I am one of the most pessimistic and negative people in the whole world, but some of you guys are sicko when it comes to discussig QBs. Please give it a rest. It is what it is and as srr50 says not much is going to change over the next 14 months.

As I watch many other teams of late, it has dawned on me that we seem to have one of the worst, probably one of the top 3 worst, offensive teams in Division I football.

Other teams don’t always recruit well either, but very few approach our level of suckage. Hell, Michigan sucked last year and has a new coach, but they’re 9-2 now and actually can score points with their offense.

I’m still dumbfounded that we are so incompetent offensively.

Hoping we can beat Baylor, even without much of an offense!

Everyone should take a few minutes to visit Texags.com and make a solemn vow not to be like them. ever. Maybe we sounded like that last year at the end of the season, but I hope not. Ugly, bitter infighting, mostly delusional, but some understand to some degree how others view them. What a clusterfuck of a culture. As good as they fit in with the SEC, and given the fact that “best conferences” cycle, I don’t see anything but mediocrity from them.

“It’s a known that variable reward for bar pressing behavior elicits the highest rate of bar pressing. Probably more than a few hitting it like a rodent in search of the next intrathecal infusion of d-amphetamine.”

Forgot to take your meds today?

Here are some updates to hold y’all over till Jesus shows up.
*DG-B will commit before Xmas (to Texas)
*DAsh will be the starter next year (Case will be happy for the opportunity to play like he did against aTm and he won’t need to pay for any food or drinks as long as he’s in Austin )

• Brewer will be able to red shirt
  *Mack can retire after winning one or more national championships after the 20152014 season
  *Peterson will get the job if not Harsin or Applewhite (take your choice )
  *we will beat the Baptist on the Brazos next weekend
  get your tickets to the Mineke Bowl as that’s where we’re headed.
  Enjoy the rest of the Thanksgiving Weekend.
  See you in Wacko next Saturday as Diaz mad dog defense runs rg III crazy
  Jesus will be along shortly
  Hook’Em Boys

Hey Snide, the medicinal effect of Texas beating A&m is still strong for me today.

The point was, I’d be willing to bet that this site’s hit meter spikes when an anticipated Shuttlesworth update spills over to the next day. That effect is not lost on me either.

Fwiw, the thought of intrathecal catheters and d-amphetamine relates directly to a UT prof I had as an undergrad, Tim Schallert, who uses the rat lab for such endeavors. I understand he had a jug in the vault containing enough powdered stimulant to send the entirity of the Electric Daisy Festival to the moon.

TV,

Excellent grades and analysis of the game.

I do wonder what is going on with Ash as he appears to me, to have regressed.

But I digress, I posted to call attention to my current favorite Texags topic: “Schools with better football programs than us”

You know it is bad when the topic starter leads with Baylor and Iowa State. Then it goes into fullblown meltdown mode. Naming Texas State and top-rated highschools…I just…wow.
http://texags.com/main/forum.reply.asp?topic_id=1983465&forum_id=5

Against Baylor, Mack is going to run as much as possible and pass as little as possible. Given that the Baylor rushing defense is so bad, Texas should be able to run well vs Baylor (AdjustedStats.com predicts Texas will run for > 6 ypc vs Baylor). Since Ash is the running package QB and Case is the passing package QB, and Texas will probably run on > 75% of the offensive snaps, my guess is that Ash plays most of the snaps at QB vs Baylor. Case will come in on obvious passing downs.

The Texas offense should perform efficiently vs Baylor because Texas will be able to run well vs Baylor. Brown will be healthier, Cody will be useful as a power runner, Bergeron will contribute some snaps, and Monroe and Goodwin will be fine as jet sweepers. A good running game is mostly about blocking and the Texas OL will run block well vs the Baylor front 7. Just to throw in some lagniappe, Ash should be an efficient, rugged runner with good ball security vs the poor Baylor rushing defense which means that Baylor will have to also account for Ash in the running game.

So, even though Case was the hero vs ag, the Baylor rushing defense vulnerability dictates that the running QB, Ash, will play more snaps. It is always all about the matchups.

Someone left this on the Texags board. I laughed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pkGY5E3fXs

I wonder if Poehlmann at TE returns as a force feature against Baylor. After moving him to TE, we rushed for 441 and 439 yards against Kansas and Tech respectively, but that was before our top 3 backs got hobbled necessitating more passing. Not a coincidence Poehmann hasn’t been mentioned much the last three games. Provided it’s as a TE, spotting Luke in Waco would be an encouraging sign.

Kafka

I agree that Baylor is easy to run against and that Ash could run against them. I do not think he will get the majority of the plays, though. The coaches just cannot trust him to not turn the ball over imho. We have already seen the benefits of the qb not turning over the ball and I would be shocked if he gets a lot of plays.

I’m to the point now where I can’t even enjoy watching another college football game without making the inevitable comparisons between “their” offenses and “our” offense. Harsin thought he had minimized the talent vacuum and general offensive suckatude by developing an offense predicated on Fozzy-Brown-Bergeron running the football, relegating the quarterback role to caretaker status. With the injuries, he’s been handed a BB gun to win a firefight.

All we’re left with is a Shee-it O and a mean MF D (thank goodness). At this point, Caretaker Case McCoy is the best we’ve got? Hell of it is, the answer is “yes.”

Really. Go watch the link AZHorn posted, it’s worth your time.

And yes, watching virtually any other offense does make ours look pretty bad. Either Harsin was overbilled or we really screwed the pooch the last few years. Given my hatred for all things GDGD I choose the later explanation…for now.

“He specifically mentioned a possible succession plan for Mack stepping down and that Chris Peterson is in the short list to replace him. He was cryptic about when and how that might happen but also hinted that there might be reasons for it to be this year. He also stated that he’d have a Humidor report up yesterday that would go into more detail about it.”

Wow. I sure hope at a win at A&M didn’t screw us out of a chance at Chris Peterson next year. He, just like Muschamp, won’t wait around for ever.

Other than going out as a national champ, I can’t think of a better season for Mack to leave. If we win out, he goes 9-4 proving he could rebuild. He hands it off to another coach on the upswing and goes out with good will from the fans. If we return to prominence, he is applauded as the founder of the feast. If everything craps-out Mack can skirt blame and possibly come out of retirement a la Bill Snyder as a proven re-builder. Or he can stay around another year and piss-off the fan base yet again in early October as he takes us out of contention early by limp-wristing another loss to Stoops.

I would like to think there was a succession plan outlined last offseason in which Peterson was told to stay warm. Hopefully that would be for 2012.

Watching Florida’s offense might make you feel better

spooky said: November 26th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Watching Florida’s offense might make you feel better

There’s a reason Urban Meyer feigned death.

Duke said:
“I agree that Baylor is easy to run against and that Ash could run against them. I do not think he will get the majority of the plays, though. The coaches just cannot trust him to not turn the ball over imho. We have already seen the benefits of the qb not turning over the ball and I would be shocked if he gets a lot of plays.”

Great point about the critical importance of not turning the ball over and I agree that Mack is not likely to trust Ash to throw the ball very much. Mack is probably ok with Ash running the ball (especially compared to Case). Having Ash available at QB to run the ball may be the incremental performance improvement that makes the horns running offense efficient enough to mostly eschew the pass and still grind out first downs.

IIRC, Ash only threw the ball 7 times vs Tech and they were almost all deep throws into single coverage (not likely to be intercepted but as good as a punt if intercepted). The main risk of Ash turning the ball over is when he passes and he will be passing against Baylor very little.

My prediction that Ash will play most of the snaps at QB vs Baylor is definitely not the conventional wisdom but Mack showed vs Tech and KU that when he can run, he will run. Baylor presents another opportunity for Mack to run, run, run, and then run some more. Ash is a significantly better and safer (i.e. better ball security and stronger, less likely to get stripped or blown up) runner than Case and already has a package designed for him that is optimized for the run game. Case is more likely to fumble than Ash because Case does not hold the ball properly (he holds it like a loaf of bread) and is much weaker than Ash. He also has much less experience running the ball and running the package optimized for running.

In a passing offense, Ash poses a greater risk to turn the ball over. In a running offense (i.e. the offense that Texas will deploy vs Baylor), Case is more likely to fumble. Case will still come in on obvious passing downs.

triplehorn said:
“I wonder if Poehlmann at TE returns as a force feature against Baylor. After moving him to TE, we rushed for 441 and 439 yards against Kansas and Tech respectively, but that was before our top 3 backs got hobbled necessitating more passing. Not a coincidence Poehmann hasn’t been mentioned much the last three games. Provided it’s as a TE, spotting Luke in Waco would be an encouraging sign.”

Great point, Luke probably does play a lot vs Baylor. One of the main reasons that Texas had to be less running oriented in the last 3 games was that Mizzou, KSU, and ag all had competent run defenses that the horns could not block well. Baylor has a poor run defense (more like Tech and KU than Mizzou, KSU, and Tech) so Texas should run well enough to keep Luke very busy run blocking.

@Soliver465:

Thanks!

Look, I respect the idea that there’s a time and place for everything. But we’re now at the point where a Humidor post with important information has been promised and teased since last Monday. Now, if winning the A&M game changed the info or the timetable, then the info wasn’t that solid to begin with, and that could be reported.

Did winning the A&M game change whether it was a good idea to discuss the info before the end of the season? If we’d lost as expected, would it have been ok to talk about it? I just don’t get the logic, so if someone can explain it to me, it’d be appreciated.

Kafta, i doubt Ash see’s a meaningful snap vs Baylor.

55

I see it your way. If Brown messes with the qb after this win and sticks in Ash, it will ruin this team’s chemistry. For God’s sake, i cannot believe that they would go to the turn over boy.

You have to have a guy that is" the guy". Ash has continually proven that he does not have the mental part of the game and that is the worst thing you can say about a qb. Forget that you think he has a strong arm (it is so inaccurate), forget he can run against weak defenses, he is not what I want to rely on ever. No mental=not a player and that does not change.

Case is our man!

So no Humidor post yet? The anticipation is killing me!

Whats a Humidor?

College football, like the NFL, has become more of a QB driven league and even requires one ot be more multiple with may of the offenses being run. Earlier mention of FLorida and their stinkery lets one realize that these QB’s coming out of HS highly thought of are going to schools with the intent of playing very soon. Not so much to wait their turn, and to their detriment sometime.

We were in line for a commitment from Florida’s QB and as can be seen, he is not working out like planned. We got a free pass on missing with him. WHo knows what Kinne could have done here with a real OC? GG cost us and hopefully Ash will prove an asset. Heisman quality? A hell of a lot of growth and some crazy intangibles must come out of nowhere IMO.

You can usually see the makings of a great QB in a few ways if they have some critical mass of physicality. Generally making others perform better around them and making an occasional play that displays accuracy and a penchant for bringing presence to a play that breaks down.

The pieces on place will be greatly enhanced by the new arrivals and OL is critical. AL and LSU are proof that you can get somewhere with a game manager if you have the other parts. However, I prefer more than that.

It does however amaze me that Keenum passes for 600 yards a game and we have trouble completing a 5 yard skinny post. And look like we have never practiced the play whatsoever.

Does anyone know who that guy is in the Mike Davis uniform and what he did with him?

As a follow up to the above comment, it is not GG’s fault for our cost at QB. It lies with coaches who recruit these guys with no backup plan or up front commitment to competition for PT.

When you miss on these guys now, these coaches realize they may have two or more years tied up in a lack of quality since they are spreading out so thinly.

lonesome
“Ash will prove an asset. Heisman quality? "

Now there is a dreamer!

Kilgore Jr. College quality…maybe.

lonesome

Sorry about raining on your parade. I guess he could be a Heisman type player.

My boy believes in the Tooth Fairy and he is a pretty smart 3yr. old.

I might be wrong on both!

lonesomeI

You have a right to your opinion. I just thought it was rather funny given his performances and the fact that Case is our quarterback.

If he wins the Heisman, go directly to 7-11 and buy your lotto ticket. i think that will be your day!

People that want to know whats happening with Mack, ask and he will tell you, im not going anywhere until im ready. the rest can be redacted.

Pete
You missed the sentence that immediately followed or just didn’t bother to read -
“A hell of a lot of growth and some crazy intangibles must come out of nowhere IMO.”

The Heisman reference which was directly attributed to the fact we had two Heisman candidate QB’s in a row in VY and Colt.

Get a grip. I realize that these guys are nowhere near what we are accustomed to and there are no other options. Period.

Your three year old probably has better reading and comprehension skills than you do.

Pete -

And HOPEFULLY Ash will prove an asset. You missed that as well.

I DO hope he proves to be a championship caliber player. I hope Case does as well. If you don’t then you are not a Longhorn. I don’t give a shit who they put behind center if they lead us to a championship. The only side I pick is UT. We pay these coaches a ton of money to evaluate and coach.

Lonesome

I hope he does, too! I am just not one of his disciples.
I see a lack of being able to handle the speed of the college game and that is something you just do not grow out of.

Lonesome-

Nobody hopes I am wrong more than me.

It’s good to be able to dream about a player and I congratulate your dream because you are able to look past the record. Who knows, maybe just maybe!

Now I lay me down to sleep.
No Humidor. Not e’re a peep.
The Cigar news on Friday expected,
Now days have passed and I’m dejected.
Anticipating juicy news,
has left me with the Cigar blues.

:(

Zzzizzzy, FTW.

Apparently Mike Davis is not starting this week. Coaches say he is battling a hip problem, but that would not seem to relate to the problems he has had catching the ball. I hope it is purely a physical problem and he gets healthy. We need him to be more productive for next year.