College Football News Roundup:  12/19/11

The word from Mack on D White was that he would have to sit out 2 years per the conference transfer rules since A&M is still in the conference. Why is the B Williams transfer any different?

I have not seen any comment from Mack On Darius White, other than wishing him the best of luck! As for the ATM, it has one foot out the door, if not both… and don’t really care whether Brandon Williams is eligible or not!

I think if Williams waits to sign, or enroll, until AFTER the Aggies actually leave the Big 12, he could get by with one year missed.

Since ATM will not be leaving the Big 12 until July 1st, 2012 the B.Williams/D. White? transfers ought to be considered within conference,meaning they would have to sit out 2 years. Am I wrong?
It’s unbelievable how aggy for the 2nd time now (C.Michael being the first) ends up with a 5* RB who just falls into their laps. I’d love for their recruiting to absolutely tank after the Sherman firing.

How about this little jewel concerning speculations about Muschamp’s OC hire:

“Muschamp said his phone has been ringing off the hook, which is no big surprise. The Gators have one of the biggest athletic budgets in the nation and some of the finest facilities anywhere. Hiring a quality offensive coordinator and strength coach (another vacancy Muschamp has to fill) won’t be a problem.

Making the right hire is another matter. So far, former Texas offensive coordinator Greg Davis’ name has been floated, as well as former Alabama head coach Mike Shula …"

http://www.foxsportssouth.com/12/15/11/Muschamps-fury-defines-first-season-at-F/landing.html?blockID=627266&feedID=3611

The word from Mack on D White was that he would have to sit out 2 years per the conference transfer rules since A&M is still in the conference. Why is the B Williams transfer any different?

1) Good luck enforcing that. It’s a conference rule, and A&M is leaving the B12.
2) The rule is that the year you sit counts as a year of eligibility. You don’t actually have to sit two years.

Unlimited funding and top notch facilities and Greg Davis/Mike Shula are at the top of your list or among the “best” being considered for the job???

OK.

Along those lines, if Akina leaves, maybe we should consider bring in Carl Torbush with our unlimited funding.

HotRod: Mack said A&M is still in the Big 12 until July 1st so anyone transferring to College Station will be held to the 2 year rule since they’d be transferring in conference, this was a strong notice to D White to go somewhere else however if he waits to committ to A&M after July 1st he would only be held to the 1 year rule but he would miss spring/early summer workouts and spring ball.

I thought A&M’s move to the SEC was dumb however if their goal was to become Sloppy Seconds U then I could see this as a good long term move. I doubt any of the A&M officials actually considered this when making their decision to chant S-E-C but it could workout well. K St has a good fb program built off a great connection with JUCOs, why can’t A&M do they same with UT/OU’s rejects, hell they could probably poach (unoffically of course) a star player or two from the other middle of the road programs in the Big 12 and even Big East (SMU/UH) add in a couple JUCOs and a solid graduate transfer every other year and they could have enough talent to stay relevant despite losing head to head recruiting battles with UT/LSU/OU/Bama for years to come…

Bob - you are probably right about enforcement. I guess I was taking into account the Aggie code of conduct, and forgot the whole “unless it helps our football team or hurts tu” loophole.

Re transfers, what do you know about the Masoli/Wilson rule - the three years at one school, graduate, transfer to play immediately rule? Now it seems to be running rampant - if you read a KU board, they’ve not only got Crist coming in on this rule, but several others. Is this a loophole the NCAA will want to close? I’m not saying it should, but when there’s a sea change event like this seems to be, the NCAA isn’t usually happy.

Bob you are wrong, A&M needs OU/UT and the Big12 to sign off on/endorse the release of Williams/White if they committ to A&M before July. This gives OU/UT power to stipulate the terms of the release, and the transfer agreement is enforceable by the NCAA regardless of which conference they are in. However if the transfer takes place after A&M is in the SEC then it will only be subject to the NCAA and the SEC rules and regulations…

Phenom - it isn’t really a loop hole as far as I know. If you graduate and have eligability left, you can go wherever. I think it protects the players and sends a message that it is in their best intrest to be passing/progressing. Coach fired/moves on and the new HC runs a different scheme? No problem if you can graduate. Get passed up by new 5 star recruit? No problem if you can graduate.

At least that is the way I understand it.

If you graduate and have eligability left, you can go wherever.

I believe there is a stipulation that you can transfer and play immediately IF you will be in grad school AND (might be OR?) majoring in a subject not available at the school you’re leaving.

I.E. Karam can come to Texas and play 2012, but only if he studies something Tech doesn’t offer (so, no Law School this year).

I don’t really see it as a huge issue/loophole that NCAA will want to repeal either. As far as I can recall, all of these transfers have been backups and have been amicable between the players and the schools. Given that and the fact that it really does emphasize the academic side of the equation, I think it is here to stay.

Now if RGIII were to transfer this next year, that would be a different story.

I doubt RGIII would come to Texas anyway. We’re loaded at safety and WR for the foreseeable future.

I’m sure I missed it, but can I get a link to any knowledgeable source that White is going to Colleyville? Something besides rumors, I mean.

I liked the “sloppy seconds” line above. It does seem ironic that ATM flees the Big 12 with its tail between its legs and then starts getting players with the same mindset.

From everything I’ve seen or heard about Darius, wouldn’t we actually want him on the A&M roster as soon as possible?

That kid clearly wasn;t ready to play in an AQ conference as a freshman. He could use a year on the bench, even if it’s not required.

Williams, I mean.

Horncasting - as far as back ups go: Russell Wilson

It does have to be a graduate degree that is not offered at the current school. I doubt that is hard to find most of the time.

“I doubt RGIII would come to Texas anyway. We’re loaded at safety and WR for the foreseeable future”

+rep

I don’t understand the lack of oversight that people have with respect to their money - whether personal or institutional. It’s amazing how much a simple peer pressure dynamic feeds these Ponzi schemes at every level. Not unlike Madoff. I guess the logic is that if a certain number of big names are involved, then it must be on the up and up.
 
I can say with absolute confidence that GD won’t be Muschamp’s OC.
 
A&M should be a pretty useful transfer destination going forward for all state of Texas players who want to stay close to home, but not sacrifice extra eligibility years. So they’ve got that going for them.

I guess it’s not a malicious loophole - just something you never saw and all of a sudden it’s commonplace. When that happens I expect the NCAA to step in and stop the fun.

The only thing I can think of that may cause the NCAA to take action is that it could encourage the recruitment of players currently enrolled in other four year colleges.

Sports Illustrated has an interesting story about the graduate rule. Granted this is about a basketball player but interesting nonetheless.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/12/19/todd.obrien/index.html?sct=cb_t11_a1

Nuge, Martelli sounds a bit dickish in that article. I’d like to hear his side of the story.

From an Aggie commenting on the CBS Sports blog post Srr50 linked:

Report: Oklahoma RB transferring to Texas A&M

Now is it becoming clear why we moved to the SEC?

Ah yes. The 100 year master-plan to corner the market on underachieving homesick East Texans. Swiss watch, imo.

Underachieving homesick East Texan transfers, even.

I don’t understand the lack of oversight that people have with respect to their money – whether personal or institutional. It’s amazing how much a simple peer pressure dynamic feeds these Ponzi schemes at every level. Not unlike Madoff. I guess the logic is that if a certain number of big names are involved, then it must be on the up and up..

I’ve always thought that the really big ponzi schemes usually are targeting these high profile marks because A) they are really successful and think they get it — about everything, not just what they are successful at,

and

B) the Madoffs of the world are very good at telling you how wonderful you are and that “all the really cool kids” are already in his club.

That plus they are also good at convincing these marks that it really is just monopoly money.

Ponzi schemes also work because the early investors are actually paid at the rate promised. Word of mouth/testimonial advertising is key to the scheme. Madoff’s nice touch was making it seem like only an exclusive few could get in on the great deal. He destroyed the comfortable retirements of thousands, mostly Jews. People who were living in nice Florida homes four years ago are now washing dishes to pay for their prescriptions. Awful man.

Ponzi schemes work because they play upon basic responses of people wanting to be a part of an exclusive group and part of a unique scheme. People susceptible to this are also more easily convinced of the scheme because they unconsciously want to be convinced.

I suspect that the NCAA did not anticipate anyone with sufficent athletic ability to make them an attractive transfer actually completing their undergraduate studies in four years.

Might be worthy of a new roundup of its own:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Coasal-Carolina-fires-successful-head-coach-to-h?urn=ncaaf-wp11746

Ponzi schemes are principally about greed. Someone offers you a great return with little risk on a passive investment, and you want to believe it; it is literally found money. Plus, the fact that early investors can vouch for it helps. But I’ve never seen one that passed the “too good to be true” test — the investment strategies don’t make sense, the returns don’t match returns in investments with allegedly similar strategies and, inexplicably, there are never any losses. I think people overlook all of these red flags because of greed.